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[Milanista28]

Poster on BB saying we are into James Harmes

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James Harmes

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

16.3

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.2

2star

and he is keen for the move. No idea if this poster has good info.

 

[citizen-erased]

Poster on BB saying we are into James Harmes and he is keen for the move. No idea if this poster has good info.

i do like Harmes.
He's not like our players. Competes hard.

 

[foj1]

Anyone else have quiet satisfaction that jhf has asked to be traded.
‘I thought hood came seriously close to gloating re Clarkson and bagging our instability.
kettle- black huh

 

[eth-dog]

Anyone else have quiet satisfaction that jhf has asked to be traded.
‘I thought hood came seriously close to gloating re Clarkson and bagging our instability.
kettle- black huh

Could have had 6, 6 and 15-17 (pending Davey/Fletcher) after bids. Insane.

 

[Vander18]

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The bit about having “autonomy over footy”…..he said something like that on Day 1 and I noted it.

It might just be flippant use of language but my antennae is up!

 

[footyfanatic111]

That article about Bowes salary being spread - if true is just cooked.
I know it’s his choice, but the whole remaining salary should have to be taken on by the nominated team. How someone justifies that as being equalisation.
that the reigning premiers can take on a player and a highly prized pick 7 and spread his money because he would rather play with a team whose gonna be playing finals year after year instead of a team in the bottom 4.

As if he wouldn’t wanna go there over us? On purely team lists and stability.
(Why anyone would want to cut themselves out of that much money is quite absurd to me)
Think it’s a bad look and AFL shouldn’t allow it. Need brad to throw his AFL house hat in and be a whinging Scott it’s utter BS

 

[eth-dog]

Harmes is basically a right footed Heath Hocking. Turns 27 on Wednesday. Would absolutely take him.

 

[Vander18]

I like Harmes but getting him would seem totally at odds with what Sciott said about not topping up and focusing on acquisition of elite young talent.

 

[citizen-erased]

I like Harmes but getting him would seem totally at odds with what Sciott said about not topping up and focusing on acquisition of elite young talent.

possibly one mahoney had been working on pre-Scott.
would be a poor turn to abandon it imo. reckon Brad will largely follow the lead of Mahoney his off-season.

 

[Lore]

That article about Bowes salary being spread - if true is just cooked.
I know it’s his choice, but the whole remaining salary should have to be taken on by the nominated team. How someone justifies that as being equalisation.
that the reigning premiers can take on a player and a highly prized pick 7 and spread his money because he would rather play with a team whose gonna be playing finals year after year instead of a team in the bottom 4.

As if he wouldn’t wanna go there over us? On purely team lists and stability.
(Why anyone would want to cut themselves out of that much money is quite absurd to me)
Think it’s a bad look and AFL shouldn’t allow it. Need brad to throw his AFL house hat in and be a whinging Scott it’s utter BS

He still gets everything he’s owed and everything he earns, just means the difference between what he earns and what he’s owed isn’t all upfront.

He’d have to agree to it though, and GC would have to work something out with his existing contract so that they don’t end up paying the difference in the first two years. If they end up paying any part of it I’d think pick 7 is off the table

 

[Duckworth]

He still gets everything he’s owed and everything he earns, just means the difference between what he earns and what he’s owed isn’t all upfront.

He’d have to agree to it though, and GC would have to work something out with his existing contract so that they don’t end up paying the difference in the first two years. If they end up paying any part of it I’d think pick 7 is off the table

As it’s written in the article he’s getting short-changed. He’s owed $1,600k over two years. Spreading it over 4 is a loss (4x$400k) when you could have additional earning potential in years 3&4.
Unless the Geelong car and land package makes up the difference.

 

[Westlo]

We should win the Bowes race if we offer him actually decent money on top of what he's owed.

There's no guarantee he'll be in the best 22 for the Cats, lmao @ effectively signing up for 2 more years to get paid what you're already owed and you might end up a vfl player.

 

[Duckworth]

We should win the Bowes race if we offer him actually decent money on top of what he's owed.

There's no guarantee he'll be in the best 22 for the Cats, lmao @ effectively signing up for 2 more years to get paid what you're already owed and you might end up a vfl player.

An indictment on the QLD education system.

 

[Lore]

As it’s written in the article he’s getting short-changed. He’s owed $1,600k over two years. Spreading it over 4 is a loss (4x$400k) when you could have additional earning potential in years 3&4.
Unless the Geelong car and land package makes up the difference.

Tbf the 800k per year that he’s owed isn’t all this years salary. It’s this year’s salary plus money from last year and the year before that he hasn’t been paid yet.

4x400 is remarkably low though. Would be a significant haircut on what he was on at GC, unless he literally got paid $0 the last two years and 800k x2 is supposed to represent 4 years pay over 2 years.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

I like Harmes but getting him would seem totally at odds with what Sciott said about not topping up and focusing on acquisition of elite young talent.

He said we did need experience though. I took Scott's comments as looking to bring in elite talent at the draft and adding experience with fringe picks. Doubt Harmes would cost very much.

 

[citizen-erased]

Tbf the 800k per year that he’s owed isn’t all this years salary. It’s this year’s salary plus money from last year and the year before that he hasn’t been paid yet.

4x400 is remarkably low though. Would be a significant haircut on what he was on at GC, unless he literally got paid $0 the last two years and 800k x2 is supposed to represent 4 years pay over 2 years.

yeah.
would think it was something like 500k a year ave. (so a 2m over 4 contract).
If you make that up, plus another 1m for the next 2 to spread it out, thats 2.6m (or 750 a year)

Not many can cover that. Bowes is either taking a cut on his earning power to play for the Cats, or he keeps up his earning at Dons, Hawks or Roos.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

What role would James Harmes

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James Harmes

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

16.3

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.2

2star

play? Honestly, absolute waste of money and a list spot. Would not take for free.

 

[citizen-erased]

What role would James Harmes play? Honestly, absolute waste of money and a list spot. Would not take for free.

Plays mid role as a kind of tagger, kind of attacker.
Find he gets into the middle when Tracc is resting forward.

He's what we'd like Parish to be imo.

 

[footyfanatic111]

What role would James Harmes play? Honestly, absolute waste of money and a list spot. Would not take for free.

Defensive minded mid. Might actually show our boys how to tackle

 

[Cup_o_Jobe]

I still wouldn't count us out of the Bowes race.

That the Cats and Hawks can spread out the pain puts them in the running, but we can still pay him a lot more (potentially close to his existing entitlement + additional years on the backend, perhaps with salary tied to certain metrics) and he'd be a lot closer to starting 22 calculations on our list than the Cats (although same can be said for Hawks: he'd compliment the likes of Ward, O'Meara and Newcombe nicely you'd think).

Cats are a destination club for obvious reasons, but it's not an open and shut decision for him.

 

[thepokey]

Harmes is basically a right footed Heath Hocking. Turns 27 on Wednesday. Would absolutely take him.

He's an absolute unit too, the big body we have always dreamed of

 

[eth-dog]

What role would James Harmes play? Honestly, absolute waste of money and a list spot. Would not take for free.

A midfielder that actually defends. I understand the apprehension.

 

[Booplaz]

I'm one of Parish's biggest critics and even I know that's unders for him

Horrible.

Perhaps I’m just in denial that Gold Coast could flick Bowes (and his salary) and accept a 20-pick downgrade. They’re already losing Rankine and Fiorini who would likely be on around 1mil between them. Now they’re giving up a Hollands (former 7) type and Bowes for a pick in the 20’s just to clear 800k off the books? Why is there no mention of a 1st going out with Grundy who is contracted for 5 years @1mil (300k of which to be paid by Collingwood if he switches clubs). For Gold Coast to trade out 7 with Bowes you’d think they must be entitled to at least receive a pick back in the teens. Under the premise that Gold Coast aren’t just prepared to roll over and take a 2nd for Bowes and 7, it’s a reasonable deal for both sides. Parish is a dying breed of ineffective accumulator, sell now while he has some perceived value.

 

[citizen-erased]

Perhaps I’m just in denial that Gold Coast could flick Bowes (and his salary) and accept a 20-pick downgrade. They’re already losing Rankine and Fiorini who would likely be on around 1mil between them. Now they’re giving up a Hollands (former 7) type and Bowes for a pick in the 20’s just to clear 800k off the books? Why is there no mention of a 1st going out with Grundy who is contracted for 5 years @1mil (300k of which to be paid by Collingwood if he switches clubs). For Gold Coast to trade out 7 with Bowes you’d think they must be entitled to at least receive a pick back in the teens. Under the premise that Gold Coast aren’t just prepared to roll over and take a 2nd for Bowes and 7, it’s a reasonable deal for both sides. Parish is a dying breed of ineffective accumulator, sell now while he has some perceived value.

Difference is the quality of grundy vs bowes.
Bowes if uncontracted is probably borderline to get re-signed by GCS.

So its 7 for taking on the cap space that allows them to add to their list now it's primed (and perhaps keep king).

Bowes follows cos it's his contract

Future 2nd likely gets it done

 

[eDPS]

What role would James Harmes play? Honestly, absolute waste of money and a list spot. Would not take for free.

Harmes is Melbournes Mr Fix it, can play so many roles and you get 100% commitment to his role every week. A player with size and competitiveness he is exactly the type that Essendon should be looking at.