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[Yoda_]

Frang for pick in 50s for points.
Shiel and 21 gets us ahead if we find a buyer.
Parish probably 2 picks.
Plus our own.
4 picks before a Davey bid could be possible

I feel we're trying to skim for list spots right now, even more so with two players taken in the mid season draft.

Right now we have 11 senior listed players out of contract with only three of those close to best 22 (McGratht, Phillips and Heppell).

The rest are not quite good enough (Cutler, Ham, Francis, Stewart) or kids who have either shown promise and we retain (Brand) or not good enough and we move on from (Eyre).

On top of that, the rookie list is full to the brim. Waterman (delist) the only one from there, Nic Martin upgraded to the senior list and wouldn't surprise to see Tex upgraded to allow us to retain Menzie and D'Ambrosia as rookies.

 

[Yoda_]

I'm not a draft expert, but this year's first round doesn't seem too interesting to have 3 or 4 selections when I purely look at list needs. Contrary to popular opinion, the list doesn't need to be blown up and built from the ground up. It already has a decent amount of young top end talent.

If I look at key needs, then I'd have:

1 - A young and top end big bodied inside mid from the draft that has the qualities to be dominant in some capacity. Either a powerful game changing mid like JHF/Danger/Dusty/Petracca or a dominant contested ball winner like Oliver/Cripps (Usually selected in the top 10 of the draft)
2 - A developing top end KPF from the draft, preferably a big KPF in the Hawkins mould capable of taking big contested marks (Usually selected in the top 10 of the draft).
3 - A bunch of blue collar role players/depth options around the ground. Those players can be drafted or traded for using third or fourth round picks or even Academy/rookie/MSD/SSP selections.
4 - 1 premium small forward - Also doesn't need to be a first rounder as premium small forwards can come from the rookie draft. Although the higher rated Davey twin isn't a small forward, we're lucky we have both coming through as potential options at AFL level.
5 - Brayshaw. Using free agency is becoming crucial to building a premiership side. If Brayshaw leaves Melbourne and it isn't to Essendon, then it's a fail in my eyes. The only exception would be if he left to Fremantle as that's understandable.

Based on that, only two top 10 picks need to be nailed to get this (mini) rebuild tracking in the right direction. I'm not really interested in trading Parish unless it is guaranteed that either 1 or 2 is met because a premiership is usually won by those two types. Basically, I'd only trade Parish if Tom Green can be secured or if the draft picks received in return guarantees 1 or 2 in the draft. Otherwise, there's no point as it's drafting for the sake of drafting.

Basically, do everything possible to get Tom Green. I'd trade any midfielder pre-2020 draft to obtain him.

Points one and two is exactly, literally the reason why I am all in on taking a KPF with our (early) first pick this year. Everything lines up. We need a KPF, a few young top end KPF seem available early that suit what we need and then point 3 is why I am all in on 19 / 20 year olds like Joel Trudgeon, Zavier Maher, Oli Davies and even 25 y.o Jake Florence as guys who could be role players for us.


Free agency is about how one views it, I maybe view it a little different but again, can see your premise.

 

[ghostdog]

I'm not a draft expert, but this year's first round doesn't seem too interesting to have 3 or 4 selections when I purely look at list needs. Contrary to popular opinion, the list doesn't need to be blown up and built from the ground up. It already has a decent amount of young top end talent.

If I look at key needs, then I'd have:

1 - A young and top end big bodied inside mid from the draft that has the qualities to be dominant in some capacity. Either a powerful game changing mid like JHF/Danger/Dusty/Petracca or a dominant contested ball winner like Oliver/Cripps (Usually selected in the top 10 of the draft)
2 - A developing top end KPF from the draft, preferably a big KPF in the Hawkins mould capable of taking big contested marks (Usually selected in the top 10 of the draft).
3 - A bunch of blue collar role players/depth options around the ground. Those players can be drafted or traded for using third or fourth round picks or even Academy/rookie/MSD/SSP selections.
4 - 1 premium small forward - Also doesn't need to be a first rounder as premium small forwards can come from the rookie draft. Although the higher rated Davey twin isn't a small forward, we're lucky we have both coming through as potential options at AFL level.
5 - Brayshaw. Using free agency is becoming crucial to building a premiership side. If Brayshaw leaves Melbourne and it isn't to Essendon, then it's a fail in my eyes. The only exception would be if he left to Fremantle as that's understandable.

Based on that, only two top 10 picks need to be nailed to get this (mini) rebuild tracking in the right direction. I'm not really interested in trading Parish unless it is guaranteed that either 1 or 2 is met because a premiership is usually won by those two types. Basically, I'd only trade Parish if Tom Green can be secured or if the draft picks received in return guarantees 1 or 2 in the draft. Otherwise, there's no point as it's drafting for the sake of drafting.

Basically, do everything possible to get Tom Green. I'd trade any midfielder pre-2020 draft to obtain him.

I would happily trade McGrath for Green. Not sure about Parish.
I still don't see Brayshaw leaving Melbourne, but if we landed Green and Brayshaw we suddenly look much stronger through the middle. I'd probably love that trade actually - probably just fixed on Parish.

I think we need to get games into Cox in a key post. I don't think we get Munkara.

 

[ghostdog]

Points one and two is exactly, literally the reason why I am all in on taking a KPF with our (early) first pick this year. Everything lines up. We need a KPF, a few young top end KPF seem available early that suit what we need and then point 3 is why I am all in on 19 / 20 year olds like Joel Trudgeon, Zavier Maher, Oli Davies and even 25 y.o Jake Florence as guys who could be role players for us.


Free agency is about how one views it, I maybe view it a little different but again, can see your premise.

Is not Maher a big midfielder? Hustwaite is another that might be gettable. We have Cox who is untried in a key position at either end, so I'm not sure a KPF is as vital a need yet as I did earlier in the year.

 

[ant555]

Points one and two is exactly, literally the reason why I am all in on taking a KPF with our (early) first pick this year. Everything lines up. We need a KPF, a few young top end KPF seem available early that suit what we need and then point 3 is why I am all in on 19 / 20 year olds like Joel Trudgeon, Zavier Maher, Oli Davies and even 25 y.o Jake Florence as guys who could be role players for us.


Free agency is about how one views it, I maybe view it a little different but again, can see your premise.

Just looking at how the top 10 looks right now it would seem if we go midfielder it will be another small to medium so a KPF may well be the go.
I have not seen enough to say 100% which way I would go. I do like Mitch Szybkowski but I want to see more of him but if Lemmey was available you may well have to go that way.

 

[ant555]

Is not Maher a big midfielder? Hustwaite is another that might be gettable. We have Cox who is untried in a key position at either end, so I'm not sure a KPF is as vital a need yet as I did earlier in the year.

KPF is starting to look like it may need to be filled for the future as well. I am not seeing Eyre making it as a forward. Can not mark. Baldwin still has a bit to go. Cox has played very limited KPF . We may end up in a position where if the best player in our range (3-6 by the looks of it) could well be a KPF. Lots to happen in the next 5 months but I am nor ruling it out given how things are going right now.

 

[Keystone agony]

Mathieson is no good for very different reasons than Brodie wasn’t a good fit.

Im yet to read a good reason

 

[ghostdog]

KPF is starting to look like it may need to be filled for the future as well. I am not seeing Eyre making it as a forward. Can not mark. Baldwin still has a bit to go. Cox has played very limited KPF . We may end up in a position where if the best player in our range (3-6 by the looks of it) could well be a KPF. Lots to happen in the next 5 months but I am nor ruling it out given how things are going right now.

Do you reckon Munkara goes top 10? Also, Reid has played KPF hadn't he? Cox back, Reid forward?

 

[ant555]

Do you reckon Munkara goes top 10? Also, Reid has played KPF hadn't he? Cox back, Reid forward?

Not sure Munkara goes top 10 yet but as I have said have not seen enough of everyone yet and Championships and Finals do change things.
I just think we are at the stage where if the best players is say Lemmey then you pick him. The only spot I am not picking first is KPD. Probably not taking a small forward first given we have Alwyn Jnr and Jayden available and Tex with a season under his belt and hopefully Menzie being a good pick.

 

[JayJ20]

Points one and two is exactly, literally the reason why I am all in on taking a KPF with our (early) first pick this year. Everything lines up. We need a KPF, a few young top end KPF seem available early that suit what we need and then point 3 is why I am all in on 19 / 20 year olds like Joel Trudgeon, Zavier Maher, Oli Davies and even 25 y.o Jake Florence as guys who could be role players for us.


Free agency is about how one views it, I maybe view it a little different but again, can see your premise.

Yes I'm also interested in a KPF with the first pick given the type of mids available in the top 10.

I don't mind Elijah Tsasas as the first pick, but if he's off the board, then Harry Lemmey seems like a good KPF prospect. He probably won't pass North though as I don't believe they'll draft another mid. I admittedly don't know much about this year's draft crop other than the limited information available at this stage of the year.

Tsasas is probably the only mid in the top 10 range that interests me at this stage. Can play both inside and outside. He's also a decent size at 186cm.

 

[TheGrizz]

Frang for pick in 50s for points.
Shiel and 21 gets us ahead if we find a buyer.
Parish probably 2 picks.
Plus our own.
4 picks before a Davey bid could be possible

Might need to come back to reality a little bit

No one is paying anything for Franga, we are odds on to delist at this stage so they can pick him up for free.
No club is giving up a top 15 pick for Shiel in any trade. They will likely offer us a second which will be in the 30-40 range or a future. If our walkaway point is we want a first rounder then we won't be able to trade him cause no one will bite.
Lachie Neale went for 6 and 19 with pick 30 going back with him. We arent getting two sub 15 picks for Parish, who the book is out on around the league in terms of his lack of hurt factor.

 

[Vindicater]

I think a club needing insurance in the back half would give up something in the 50s for Francis. I could easily see him going to a system team like Sydney ir Geelonf and being good.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Any deal for Francis likely looks like the deal we did to get Hind from St Kilda.

 

[Vindicater]

Any deal for Francis likely looks like the deal we did to get Hind from St Kilda.

What was that in the end.

Hind plus a 4th for a 3rd or somthing?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

I see people are still talking about Brayshaw. He does not play midfield for Melbourne. Doesn't attend centre bounces or play on ball.

He is effectively the Melbourne Heppell but without the drop off just yet but it's coming.

We'd be crazy to look at him

 

[Milanista28]

Might need to come back to reality a little bit

No one is paying anything for Franga, we are odds on to delist at this stage so they can pick him up for free.
No club is giving up a top 15 pick for Shiel in any trade. They will likely offer us a second which will be in the 30-40 range or a future. If our walkaway point is we want a first rounder then we won't be able to trade him cause no one will bite.
Lachie Neale went for 6 and 19 with pick 30 going back with him. We arent getting two sub 15 picks for Parish, who the book is out on around the league in terms of his lack of hurt factor.

I choose to live in ignorance, it's less painful, but yes I will reel myself in.

 

[Milanista28]

Was looking at the stats Hollands is putting up for the Suns in the 2s and he's doing very well, would love him, but 2 years left on his deal so doubt we could snare him.

Also Sam Flanders is absolutely ripping up the VFL, but he's too similar to what we already have so we shouldn't make a move.

 

[Keystone agony]

I see people are still talking about Brayshaw. He does not play midfield for Melbourne. Doesn't attend centre bounces or play on ball.

He is effectively the Melbourne Heppell but without the drop off just yet but it's coming.

We'd be crazy to look at him

Came 3rd in the brownlow as a midfielder

His flexability has meant hes been asked to play elsewhere whereas other mids they have dont have the ability to really play anywhere else ie Oliver and Viney

He is what early 26

Over in the west its already been said by some journos that hes either going to WA or staying at Melbourne. Think alot depends on Luke Jackson and whether they can keep both

Hes a type that could work for us but its pretty unlikely/unrealistic that he even looks at us

 

[Keystone agony]

Was looking at the stats Hollands is putting up for the Suns in the 2s and he's doing very well, would love him, but 2 years left on his deal so doubt we could snare him.

Also Sam Flanders is absolutely ripping up the VFL, but he's too similar to what we already have so we shouldn't make a move.

Flanders should absolutly be a target for the right price

Has ability half fwd aswell which helps

 

[Yoda_]

Just looking at how the top 10 looks right now it would seem if we go midfielder it will be another small to medium so a KPF may well be the go.
I have not seen enough to say 100% which way I would go. I do like Mitch Szybkowski but I want to see more of him but if Lemmey was available you may well have to go that way.

Lemney or Scully would be very nice


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[ghostdog]

Was looking at the stats Hollands is putting up for the Suns in the 2s and he's doing very well, would love him, but 2 years left on his deal so doubt we could snare him.

Also Sam Flanders is absolutely ripping up the VFL, but he's too similar to what we already have so we shouldn't make a move.

As pointed out earlier re: Dev Robertson, if they're bringing the effort and attitude that can change the culture, they can still be of value. We need depth and I've always liked Flanders. Spruik away!

 

[The Prosecutor]

KPF is starting to look like it may need to be filled for the future as well. I am not seeing Eyre making it as a forward. Can not mark. Baldwin still has a bit to go. Cox has played very limited KPF . We may end up in a position where if the best player in our range (3-6 by the looks of it) could well be a KPF. Lots to happen in the next 5 months but I am nor ruling it out given how things are going right now.

If we finish with pick 3, it may be a good draft to look at targeting Adelaide/Hawthorn/Collingwood/GWS around that pick 6/7/8 range as an option to slide down and try and make a deal for something like 3 & 21 for 7 & future first. You would think one of Lemmey or Scully would be there.

 

[Keystone agony]

If Ashcroft is still somehow on the table at pick 3 then trade

3 for 1st, 2nd/F2 and F1 to Brisbane ?

 

[BomberTime]

If Ashcroft is still somehow on the table at pick 3 then trade

3 for 1st, 2nd/F2 and F1 to Brisbane ?

If Ashcroft knocks back the F/S option. Why would Brisbane want to do that trade to draft a player who doesn’t want to go there?

 

[eth-dog]

If Ashcroft knocks back the F/S option. Why would Brisbane want to do that trade to draft a player who doesn’t want to go there?

I think he's more talking that if he does choose to go to Brisbane and they try to get a pick in ahead of him.

And no, we don't do that deal. That's essentially pick 3 for 2x late teens picks and a late 30's pick. Madness.