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[Milanista28]

Would love him if he wanted to.

Hasn't got a deal yet I think?

 

[TheGrizz]

Jai Culley?

We liked him when he went in the MSD, but I would think we would need Shiel to move on and it may cost Setterfield his list spot as depth.

Otherwise that is an over indexation of pure mids when we have a lot of other needs.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

We liked him when he went in the MSD, but I would think we would need Shiel to move on and it may cost Setterfield his list spot as depth.

Otherwise that is an over indexation of pure mids when we have a lot of other needs.

Culley can play forward. Suits us a lot.

 

[Keystone agony]

Happy for this to be a nice and simple trade period where we consolidate different areas of the field.

Trade 1: Stringer and a future 3rd to GWS for Connor Stone, #37 and #53

Trade 2: Future 4th to Brisbane for Jaxon Prior

Main draft: Use #9 to draft Tobie Travaglia and then picks #31, #37 and #53 to get Kako. Upgrade Menzie with our last pick.

Rookie Draft: Use one pick to draft a project KPF.

Re-sign: Setterfield and Weideman as depth for one more year on the main list. J Davey gets moved to the rookie list for one more chance.

Gives us a bunch of good runners off the back flank in Stone, Prior and Travaglia along with a livewire forward in Kako.

I god hope were not just accepting Connor Stone for Stringer

Isnt the whole point of not offering him 2 years to get something decent?

F2, 57, 60, 78 at a minimum for me just for Stringer

 

[Orange crush]

I god hope were not just accepting Connor Stone for Stringer

Isnt the whole point of not offering him 2 years to get something decent?

F2, 57, 60, 78 at a minimum for me just for Stringer

It’ll be a single pick in the 50s

 

[Milanista28]

If there was a Kako bid around 6-8...

Ess out Jake+Dylan+9 - We pay 100% of Jake and Dyls 2025 salary
GWS out 15+16+53+56+Stone

Ess out 15
Dees out F1st+49

Ess out 16
Dogs F1st+48

Trade 31 for a 2025 2nd.

Heaps of Kako points, 2 extra 1st rounders and an extra 2nd in 2025.

Give our kids another year to develop and allow Rosa to build a solid plan with a great draft hand in 12 months?

 

[doug85]

It’ll be a single pick in the 50s

Unless we pay his salary. We may get a little more in that case

 

[bombreys]

I god hope were not just accepting Connor Stone for Stringer

Isnt the whole point of not offering him 2 years to get something decent?

F2, 57, 60, 78 at a minimum for me just for Stringer

I'd be fine with a straight swap.

If we're not willing to offer 2 years, I don't think you can expect to get a whole lot back.

I also get the feeling we might just prefer him to leave (nothing to back this up other than an inkling) - he doesn't really fit with what it looks like we're trying to do.

 

[P Money]

I have the same feeling, that Ess actually would prefer Stringer to leave but are not making the mistake of actively and obviously pushing him out which would destroy what little trade value he has. Same thing for Laverde, I think they'd be quite happy if both of them leave and will more or less take whatever small return they get. I'm not expecting much for either of them.

 

[Vindicater]

I god hope were not just accepting Connor Stone for Stringer

Isnt the whole point of not offering him 2 years to get something decent?

F2, 57, 60, 78 at a minimum for me just for Stringer

We are getting rid of Stringer because he is addition through subtraction for our forward line in my opinion.

 

[Lore]

Time to pay the piper I guess

 

[BrunoV]

I god hope were not just accepting Connor Stone for Stringer

Isnt the whole point of not offering him 2 years to get something decent?

F2, 57, 60, 78 at a minimum for me just for Stringer

No. Not at all.

The point of not offering him the deal is to get him to ask to leave because he creates structural imbalance, is not playing at a standard that justifies the structural imbalance, produces a structural imbalance our side is not close to being able to absorb and is otherwise not reliable and is not setting standards we'd want from a veteran player.

Having said all of that a straight swap for Stone is perfect, the sort of value that justifies the deal. GWS are not giving him up without a fight as he is contracted. He's big for a flanker, he's powerful, got good skills and brings serious repeat sprint capacity to the team.

Now if we can just turn Shiel into O'Halloran. Very similar player to Stone, though he inside bull capacity and more a of defensive mindset, bit more aggressive but lacks the skill.

 

[Orange crush]

Unless we pay his salary. We may get a little more in that case

Yeah …. But we’ve actually got the space for him after shedding/losing about 7 players

 

[Chief Hopper]

Jai Culley?

I wanted him from the MSD.
He did his knee in WC, wasn't picked another time when he could've played.
I still think our midfield needs size bolstering. Culley, Maginness, could be the Setterfield backup or replacement.

 

[ant555]

If there was a Kako bid around 6-8...

Ess out Jake+Dylan+9 - We pay 100% of Jake and Dyls 2025 salary
GWS out 15+16+53+56+Stone

Ess out 15
Dees out F1st+49

Ess out 16
Dogs F1st+48

Trade 31 for a 2025 2nd.

Heaps of Kako points, 2 extra 1st rounders and an extra 2nd in 2025.

Give our kids another year to develop and allow Rosa to build a solid plan with a great draft hand in 12 months?

Only problem is you would have to do it before draft night. In fact you have to do it before the end of the week. Can not trade contracted players on draft night. So you should have said to negate the bid on Kako we need to do this now.

 

[Andronicus]

Kako seems to be outside the top ten to most. Do saints just bid out of spite?

Or are they unlikely to bid at all? What's are the thoughts from those watching closer than I am.

 

[Milanista28]

Only problem is you would have to do it before draft night. In fact you have to do it before the end of the week. Can not trade contracted players on draft night. So you should have said to negate the bid on Kako we need to do this now.

That and I left us a little short on Kako points if the bid was super early.

I'm still leaning that Kako slips past our 1st, all this chatter is fearmongering to make us make trade pick 9.

 

[ant555]

Time to pay the piper I guess

This conversation drives me mad to a point. And there are a few pushing this barrow.
There is not a lot we can do to get better next year with the hand we have. That is the simple answer. It is a year where we are in a corner and just have to suck it up and hope we get someone ay 9 and Kako or if they think Kako is the guy then get him and a F1 along with points in the back end of this year. Slow year for brining guys in now but go into next year with 2 first round picks and leave a couple of list spots open for SSP.
It is a different story if we are sitting here full of picks and have players wanting to get to other clubs that we are refusing to trade but it is not.
If we improve it will have to come through Roberts and Bryan playing more and finding a level. Ridley staying on the park. Reid getting on the park. The penny maybe dropping for Cox and Perkins. Draper getting through a pre season and actually being fit at the start. Of course there are a few "ifs" or "maybes" but that is our lot and what we have to work through.
As much as I do not see us in the window for a while yet the fact is we where two narrow losses away from playing finals. I could be wrong but personally I do not think we are going to totally fall of the perch next year and we will be around that 11 win mark. Apart from Stringer we are not losing anyone who makes a real difference.
So getting back to the media talk. Well the answer is not what are we going to do. The answer is circumstances have left us in a bit of a corner and we will have to aim for a couple of little wins this year.

 

[Bjchan13]

No. Not at all.

The point of not offering him the deal is to get him to ask to leave because he creates structural imbalance, is not playing at a standard that justifies the structural imbalance, produces a structural imbalance our side is not close to being able to absorb and is otherwise not reliable and is not setting standards we'd want from a veteran player.

Having said all of that a straight swap for Stone is perfect, the sort of value that justifies the deal. GWS are not giving him up without a fight as he is contracted. He's big for a flanker, he's powerful, got good skills and brings serious repeat sprint capacity to the team.

Now if we can just turn Shiel into O'Halloran. Very similar player to Stone, though he inside bull capacity and more a of defensive mindset, bit more aggressive but lacks the skill.

Stone is uncontracted. XOH bulldogs links

 

[ant555]

Kako seems to be outside the top ten to most. Do saints just bid out of spite?

Or are they unlikely to bid at all? What's are the thoughts from those watching closer than I am.

He is. The talk is really coming because we are in uncharted territory this year. No one has a set top 10 or even a set top 5. Clubs want to get in as they feel the depth of talent goes well into the top 20 which pushes the next level back. This leads to the speculation of who clubs will pick and if clubs with two picks may use one on a positional pick. So do the Saints take best player and then Kako as best small forward. No one really has a strong line other than clubs are talking to multiple players and they are saying we are "interested " in several guys behind the scenes. Word is the Saints have also been looking closely at Tauru and Lindsay. Add to this the fact that Kako has generally been rated 10 to 15 so it is not a big stretch to say someone will like him at 7 or 8. I would be surprised if Melbourne was really looking for him at 5. If he was not NGA the conversations are probably not happening as there are no consequences if he gets picked at 8 or 14.

 

[BrunoV]

Stone is uncontracted. XOH bulldogs links

That helps, re Stone.

That the Dogs want XOH tells us everything we need to know about him as a player. They have consistently recruited the best hard ball mids for a long time now. Admittedly I don't necessarily want XOH to be a 30 possession ball winner but maybe the Dogs are telling us that is what he should be.

 

[Bjchan13]

That helps, re Stone.

That the Dogs want XOH tells us everything we need to know about him as a player. They have consistently recruited the best hard ball mids for a long time now. Admittedly I don't necessarily want XOH to be a 30 possession ball winner but maybe the Dogs are telling us that is what he should be.

It does, i cant see a situation where we dont end up with Stone if we've put enough work into making him want to join us

 

[JayJ20]

That helps, re Stone.

That the Dogs want XOH tells us everything we need to know about him as a player. They have consistently recruited the best hard ball mids for a long time now. Admittedly I don't necessarily want XOH to be a 30 possession ball winner but maybe the Dogs are telling us that is what he should be.

I've wanted XOH for a long time. Back when he was just depth for them. Stone and XOH would give us that competitive edge we've been looking for in our side. Maginness, though I really don't like his kicking, would be a good addition alongside those two because these three are perfect additions to Caldwell, Durham and Duursma to play with an 'edge'.

I hate to use this concept out of its context, but this would really be a "Moneyball" type off-season.

 

[jdstorm]

I've wanted XOH for a long time. Back when he was just depth for them. Stone and XOH would give us that competitive edge we've been looking for in our side. Maginness, though I really don't like his kicking, would be a good addition alongside those two because these three are perfect additions to Caldwell, Durham and Duursma to play with an 'edge'.

I hate to use this concept out of its context, but this would really be a "Moneyball" type off-season.

This is the literal definition of moneyball use good scouting/stats to find undervalued players who might be better in a new situation

 

[Call Me Cake]

We already have moneyballed tho, in two ways. We've unearthed some gems from the MSD/PSD and we've gone after some positional need players through FA while keeping our draft hand.

In my opinion what we should be prioritising now is development of youth, selection integrity and luring elite players.