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[jdstorm]

What bothers me is people would prefer to take a Josh Rotham, Tim Membrey or Finn ******* McGinness over a kid.

Sure, the kid may not eventuate but we are having a throw at the stumps. We are no Melbourne bad with our best 22. Our best 30 lacks heavily at the bottom end.


Completely agree with this. If we do drop off and finish bottom 4 so be it. That is where he absolute top echelon players are generally selected

McGuinness is a kid.

Rotham is VFL depth and membry I think that’s more his interest then ours

 

[Hird05]

Got sidetracked and missed the last 20 pages. Tldr please? Are we doing anything at all? Anyone leaving?

 

[Donflicted]

Got sidetracked and missed the last 20 pages. Tldr please? Are we doing anything at all? Anyone leaving?

Hobbs Staying

Minimal Interest in Stringer - Clubs may come late

Lav - Clubs may come late

 

[Keystone agony]

Rebuilds generally do take a long time now

Brisbane, Melbourne, Richmond have shown that

Id also be careful comparing us to non Melbourne teams now aswell

Brisbane sortve hit the jackpot all in a run. Daniher, C.Cameron, Dunkley, Neale, Mckenna on top of that the amazing father sons Ashcroft x 2, Fletcher

Weve not had any of that

 

[BrunoV]

Finn Maginness is a positive sign.

188cm, 88kg, 5:50 2km engine who is hard as nails and who can run Ed Langdon

15

Ed Langdon

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

20.3

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

7.5

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

0.8

1star

CL

1.8

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

out of a game on a wing. He can accumulate but doesn't seem to get the opportunity often. Weakness is that he is average by foot, not Dy Clark or Tsatas, maybe Setterfield.

He could be our Hewitt / Sam Gibson

Sam Gibson

Age

38

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.2

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.8

3star

.

 

[Nicholas61]

What bothers me is people would prefer to take a Josh Rotham, Tim Membrey or Finn ******* McGinness over a kid.

I would be happy we look at mature agers in the state leagues - less wait time and more mental maturity. Guys are out there then everyone seems surprised they perform well at AFL level even though they have been very good for years at the next level. Even our approach to the MSD seems different than the ND and we have done well in selections there. Use that approach to get guys who do everything at least competently to replace guys that have the combo of can't kick, have poor IQ and composure. Looking at El Hawli most recently he seems to do everything decently and is competitive. You have pointed out VFL players during the year I hope we are looking at.

 

[naraku]

I remember Prior needed to work on his defensive work when he was drafted.
If he has done that, he could be worth a look since we have issues with small/medium defenders still.

I don't think Hawkes will let Finn go.

I wouldn't want us to get Rotham- probably better options in our VFL side.

Membrey? Saints can keep him and take Gresham back too.

 

[Keystone agony]

Yeh im a huge no for Membrey and Rotham

Prior and Finn.... meh. Maybe

But id probably almost rather throw a few darts at the back end of the draft, whether on mature agers or not

 

[ant555]

Rob Forster Knight looks after draft night

So ? Matt Rosa looks after the lot.
Maybe RFK goes okay without Dodo putting his two cents worth in.
So Caddy and Roberts are duds then.

 

[FlyingV]

Finn Maginness is a positive sign.

188cm, 88kg, 5:50 2km engine who is hard as nails and who can run Ed Langdon out of a game on a wing. He can accumulate but doesn't seem to get the opportunity often. Weakness is that he is average by foot, not Dy Clark or Tsatas, maybe Setterfield.

He could be our Hewitt / Sam Gibson.

Spot on.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Finn Maginness is a positive sign.

188cm, 88kg, 5:50 2km engine who is hard as nails and who can run Ed Langdon out of a game on a wing. He can accumulate but doesn't seem to get the opportunity often. Weakness is that he is average by foot, not Dy Clark or Tsatas, maybe Setterfield.

He could be our Hewitt / Sam Gibson.

Most likely we'll play him in the VFL for a couple years and then delist whilst Parish racks up 27 touches a week with zero impact but yuuge Fantasy Points.

 

[Corleone]

Maginness would be a good get imo. We've lamented our inability to tag or contain the opposition and our two way running is non-existent.

 

[BrunoV]

What bothers me is people would prefer to take a Josh Rotham, Tim Membrey or Finn ******* McGinness over a kid.

Sure, the kid may not eventuate but we are having a throw at the stumps. We are no Melbourne bad with our best 22. Our best 30 lacks heavily at the bottom end.


Completely agree with this. If we do drop off and finish bottom 4 so be it. That is where he absolute top echelon players are generally selected

In 2023, the best 22 finished a season in which it played 4 games against 2 of the worst sides to have played in 25 years with 11 wins and a percentage of 89. In 2024, with the addition of 3 experienced best 22 players and finding a few players (like Durham and Caldwell) the best 22 finished the season with 11 wins 1 draw and a percentage of 93. 'Faded' badly as the season corrected itself.

The best 22 is not fine. It full of soft, flaky and selfish players. There is an immediate need to bring in players who can add a backbone to the team.

What I would give for O'Halloran and McGinness to join Essendon. For them to beat the piss out of our mids all pre-season, while lapping in time trials, lifting more in the gym and to do in knowing that they're being brought in play roles to let the rest of the front running flakes do that which they do most effectively.

That's the sort of thing that will have to give here. We've thrown our lot in with Perkins, Parish, Tsatas and Merrett (who I only include because the team needs him in a play making role using his kicking, not leading from the front inside). Players now need to be brought in to make it work. We're not going to get better bringing in superstar midfield players, not substantially.

 

[DonsRule]

So ? Matt Rosa looks after the lot.
Maybe RFK goes okay without Dodo putting his two cents worth in.
So Caddy and Roberts are duds then.

On last years and Saads mid reason pick this year there isn't much to complain about I don't think - at the very least the picks seems to focus with a weakness in mind rather than pure best player we seem to have a habbit of picking.

 

[ant555]

What bothers me is people would prefer to take a Josh Rotham, Tim Membrey or Finn ******* McGinness over a kid.

Sure, the kid may not eventuate but we are having a throw at the stumps. We are no Melbourne bad with our best 22. Our best 30 lacks heavily at the bottom end.


Completely agree with this. If we do drop off and finish bottom 4 so be it. That is where he absolute top echelon players are generally selected

Well maybe you need to do some research. Top players have been picked anywhere for 1 to 20 and there have been more average or worse top 5 players than outright super stars. You can find real tallent between 5 and 15 and if you are bringing in a lot of young blokes then you want to be doing it with picks inside the top 50.
Then there is the difference between picking in the top 50 and taking multiple picks after 60. The percentages do not add up. You are talking about a low percentage of players even playing 50 games so basically you may hit a good one but there is more chance of maybe finding a Will Snelling who plays 50 games and a really big chance you will have Austin Lucy on your list for two years.
I do not mind if we keep a couple of spots open over summer for a SSP selection and use a pick later in the draft but the simple fact is if we take 3 picks after 60 in the ND then you are going to end up with at least two guys on two year deals that are nothing and you have them for 2 years.
That is why I would have no issue with Membrey for a couple of years "if" Stringer found a new home or Rotham if Laverde went and use them as stop gaps.
People want us to have a successful builds and complain about what we have done yet they also want to go down a very very low percentage road and use multiple picks at the back end of the draft. There is a reason why only around 60 kids a year get drafted now days. Clubs are awake to how low percentage it is and you generally only see a few picked that far back.

 

[Keystone agony]

Well maybe you need to do some research. Top players have been picked anywhere for 1 to 20 and there have been more average or worse top 5 players than outright super stars. You can find real tallent between 5 and 15 and if you are bringing in a lot of young blokes then you want to be doing it with picks inside the top 50.
Then there is the difference between picking in the top 50 and taking multiple picks after 60. The percentages do not add up. You are talking about a low percentage of players even playing 50 games so basically you may hit a good one but there is more chance of maybe finding a Will Snelling who plays 50 games and a really big chance you will have Austin Lucy on your list for two years.
I do not mind if we keep a couple of spots open over summer for a SSP selection and use a pick later in the draft but the simple fact is if we take 3 picks after 60 in the ND then you are going to end up with at least two guys on two year deals that are nothing and you have them for 2 years.
That is why I would have no issue with Membrey for a couple of years "if" Stringer found a new home or Rotham if Laverde went and use them as stop gaps.
People want us to have a successful builds and complain about what we have done yet they also want to go down a very very low percentage road and use multiple picks at the back end of the draft. There is a reason why only around 60 kids a year get drafted now days. Clubs are awake to how low percentage it is and you generally only see a few picked that far back.

If theres a year to do it... its probably this year though

Also as more and more data is learnt over the years the better recruiting becomes

Archie Roberts
Calsher Dear
Harvey Thomas
Will Lorenz
Schoenmaker
Lawson Humphries

Were all taken after pick 54 last year. All look pretty handy for that pick range albeit still early. None are really mature agers either

Anyway right now its hard to see anyone offering a 2nd for Stringer so its probably better off just keeping him

 

[coastalpipeline]

Lalor and Kako out of the draft please.

Armstrong

 

[coastalpipeline]

Well maybe you need to do some research. Top players have been picked anywhere for 1 to 20 and there have been more average or worse top 5 players than outright super stars. You can find real tallent between 5 and 15 and if you are bringing in a lot of young blokes then you want to be doing it with picks inside the top 50.
Then there is the difference between picking in the top 50 and taking multiple picks after 60. The percentages do not add up. You are talking about a low percentage of players even playing 50 games so basically you may hit a good one but there is more chance of maybe finding a Will Snelling who plays 50 games and a really big chance you will have Austin Lucy on your list for two years.
I do not mind if we keep a couple of spots open over summer for a SSP selection and use a pick later in the draft but the simple fact is if we take 3 picks after 60 in the ND then you are going to end up with at least two guys on two year deals that are nothing and you have them for 2 years.
That is why I would have no issue with Membrey for a couple of years "if" Stringer found a new home or Rotham if Laverde went and use them as stop gaps.
People want us to have a successful builds and complain about what we have done yet they also want to go down a very very low percentage road and use multiple picks at the back end of the draft. There is a reason why only around 60 kids a year get drafted now days. Clubs are awake to how low percentage it is and you generally only see a few picked that far back.

And gift our SSP to other teams who are struggling Mass, Voss

 

[coastalpipeline]

Rebuilds generally do take a long time now

Brisbane, Melbourne, Richmond have shown that

Id also be careful comparing us to non Melbourne teams now aswell

Brisbane sortve hit the jackpot all in a run. Daniher, C.Cameron, Dunkley, Neale, Mckenna on top of that the amazing father sons Ashcroft x 2, Fletcher

Weve not had any of that

We ****ed it up after passing on McClug.

 

[ant555]

And gift our SSP to other teams who are struggling Mass, Voss

Too bad neither of them where SSP.

 

[ant555]

If theres a year to do it... its probably this year though

Also as more and more data is learnt over the years the better recruiting becomes

Archie Roberts
Calsher Dear
Harvey Thomas
Will Lorenz
Schoenmaker
Lawson Humphries

Were all taken after pick 54 last year. All look pretty handy for that pick range albeit still early. None are really mature agers either

Anyway right now its hard to see anyone offering a 2nd for Stringer so its probably better off just keeping him

That is why clubs do not take a range of picks past 60.
I am not against a couple but if we moved on the amount of players some want then you are looking at 4 or more picks. The odds are well and truly against you. As far as Roberts and Dear go they where 4th round. I am talking more about right at the end. 5th and 6th round.That is why I said after pick 60. Yes there will be a few that go okay but in general the majority back end is full of players who play 0 to 10 games.

 

[Keystone agony]

That is why clubs do not take a range of picks past 60.
I am not against a couple but if we moved on the amount of players some want then you are looking at 4 or more picks. The odds are well and truly against you. As far as Roberts and Dear go they where 4th round. I am talking more about right at the end. 5th and 6th round.That is why I said after pick 60. Yes there will be a few that go okay but in general the majority back end is full of players who play 0 to 10 games.

I want atleast 4 from this draft. Possibly 5

 

[coastalpipeline]

Too bad neither of them where SSP.

Whoops MSRD thought it was same thing.

 

[Yoda_]

In 2023, the best 22 finished a season in which it played 4 games against 2 of the worst sides to have played in 25 years with 11 wins and a percentage of 89. In 2024, with the addition of 3 experienced best 22 players and finding a few players (like Durham and Caldwell) the best 22 finished the season with 11 wins 1 draw and a percentage of 93. 'Faded' badly as the season corrected itself.

The best 22 is not fine. It full of soft, flaky and selfish players. There is an immediate need to bring in players who can add a backbone to the team.

What I would give for O'Halloran and McGinness to join Essendon. For them to beat the piss out of our mids all pre-season, while lapping in time trials, lifting more in the gym and to do in knowing that they're being brought in play roles to let the rest of the front running flakes do that which they do most effectively.

That's the sort of thing that will have to give here. We've thrown our lot in with Perkins, Parish, Tsatas and Merrett (who I only include because the team needs him in a play making role using his kicking, not leading from the front inside). Players now need to be brought in to make it work. We're not going to get better bringing in superstar midfield players, not substantially.

I dont buy into this argument, who is Finn replacing in the best 22?


Dont get me wrong, the idea of having a shiny new (established) toy is enticing, until the club owns its insecurities and moves on a guy like Hobbs or Parish and obviously a lesser extent Tsatas where the club is actively changing the make up of its starting midfield then we are simply robbing Peter to pay Paul.

At the moment we have tied our own hands with the make up of the list with these long term contracts on guys who, in theory, probably didn't deserve what they are being paid.

 

[Yoda_]

I would be happy we look at mature agers in the state leagues - less wait time and more mental maturity. Guys are out there then everyone seems surprised they perform well at AFL level even though they have been very good for years at the next level. Even our approach to the MSD seems different than the ND and we have done well in selections there. Use that approach to get guys who do everything at least competently to replace guys that have the combo of can't kick, have poor IQ and composure. Looking at El Hawli most recently he seems to do everything decently and is competitive. You have pointed out VFL players during the year I hope we are looking at.

State leaguers is somewhat ok with me. For every Luke Ryan and Bailey Fritcsh there is a Dylan Van Unen or Tom Jok which is the risk we take. In the end, we are shooting from the hip by doing this. Im not sure many can name a C grade player who has gone, "****, better shape up and transformed into a genuine B grade player. Maybe Ben Keays at Adelaide?

In the end, we seem to stockpile enough mature enough depth to compete but never enough talent to take us to the next step