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You still have the suggestion to shorten the ground though; would be a better spectacle if they didn’t try the same flood type tactics as the aflm but it is effective to limit opponents scoreslol i'm out then.
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The scoring reflects the shortened quarters and that prevents fatigue from becoming a factor. The VFLW has 20 minute quarters, and their matches finished at about 10 minutes into the third quarter of a AFL match, then I looked at the scores in a few AFL matches and found there wasn't that much difference.
Yeah I think I liked the smaller ground in Sydney this weekend. I thought there might be more congestion, but actually it led to less athletes running and more footballers showing their skills, a better spectacle.
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Some of the best games are in the normal size arenas IMO (Princes Park, Marvel, Gabba, Metricon). If it's a smaller ground it will be easier to clog up defensively. Some teams are way too defensive, copy the AFL style without the skills, and always put extra players behind the ball all game like the Geelong and Richmond game today. Some coaches try to save the game more than win the game. Needs to be a mix of both.
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I’d add that many local clubs are no longer discounting memberships as much as they were when trying to establish womens teams and many women have decided the injury toll is higher than they’d like after a few seasons.
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If you like stop-start footy, then by all means play more games on North Sydney-sized ovals. I'm just glad Scott Gowans was in charge of the Swans on the weekend--if it was up to some of these other coaches, the ball would have never left cow corner.
St Kilda smashed the record for I50 tackles at NSO, and still just kicked a fairly typical winning score (8 goals against Sydney will likely prove to be subpar). The only other matches on the weekend that had as many stoppages were the wet game in Perth, and the game involving the Suns who continue to play the most dour brand.
The turnover rate during the match at Kardinia Park was huge, leading to lower-than-average scores. It's curious how the ground's narrow width is frequently criticised in the context of men's football, yet quickly forgotten about for AFLW.
Proper objective analysis shows that relatively wide grounds and dry conditions (the hotter the better, too) produce the most free-flowing and "attractive" style of football. But sure, if you shorten the ground past a certain threshold--to something ridiculous like 80 or 100 metres--scoring will skyrocket. So too will all the other fun stuff like ball-ups, knee injuries and concussions. Yippee.
Those who doubt: I'd suggest paying more attention to games at da big boy venues (like the recent ones at Marvel and the Gabba, both excellent displays of skill and athleticism).
St Kilda smashed the record for I50 tackles at NSO, and still just kicked a fairly typical winning score (8 goals against Sydney will likely prove to be subpar). The only other matches on the weekend that had as many stoppages were the wet game in Perth, and the game involving the Suns who continue to play the most dour brand.
The turnover rate during the match at Kardinia Park was huge, leading to lower-than-average scores. It's curious how the ground's narrow width is frequently criticised in the context of men's football, yet quickly forgotten about for AFLW.
Proper objective analysis shows that relatively wide grounds and dry conditions (the hotter the better, too) produce the most free-flowing and "attractive" style of football. But sure, if you shorten the ground past a certain threshold--to something ridiculous like 80 or 100 metres--scoring will skyrocket. So too will all the other fun stuff like ball-ups, knee injuries and concussions. Yippee.
Those who doubt: I'd suggest paying more attention to games at da big boy venues (like the recent ones at Marvel and the Gabba, both excellent displays of skill and athleticism).
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Would love to see more games at Marvel. Open windy venues with a size 4 sherrin, combined with less power in the kick, are not conducive to free flowing footy. Of the games I saw on the weekend the game at Marvel was the best to watch. Probably the ideal size deck too - not big, but not tiny.
Spring is always the windiest time of year here in Vic, could be some heavily impacted games in the coming months.
Spring is always the windiest time of year here in Vic, could be some heavily impacted games in the coming months.
Was always going to happen. All other things aside the initial "newness" doesn't last forever with anything. The question is; what level will it stabilise at?
It will be really interesting to see how it stabilises over the coming years. There are plenty of sports where women draw as big and even better participation levels and support/audiences than men. There is however one major difference between all those sports and AFL, that most people either don't want to admit, or fail to recognise period. That is; CONTACT.
There has never been a really highly supported and consequently successfully monetised CONTACT sport for women. There's plenty of reasons for that I think but it's impossible to actually have that discussion in a mature fashion currently. I would say however, that with Australian society being so ensconced in sporting performance, if it's going to work anywhere in the world; it'll be here.
There is of course the argument that it doesn't really need to be individually successful anyway. Just having the competition, however well supported, ticks the equalisation and diversification box and will draw money from women by driving more to AFL support accordingly.
Why women's bodies may not be ready for contact sport
As the push continues to expand professional sporting opportunities for females, such as the AFL Women’s league, some experts warn biological differences could see injury rates soar.
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Not touching the rest, but as long as there is good junior grass roots competition and pathways, I believe that AFLW will always be in a good place, as the most talented players will see a career ahead of them.
The state leagues should keep improving as the top tier improves.
It’ll be the lower levels that will find their balance.
Yes well in your own words: "as long as there is good junior grass roots competition and pathways".
That is the real crux of CONTACT sport and women going forward.
At the end of the day, to this point in time in modern human history, no female CONTACT sport and all the pain, exertion and injuries associated, has ever been well supported, or even desired by a large section of young women. Surprise surprise, it's not generally what large portions of young women actually desire to experience.
We shall see if AFL is the first.
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It isn't desired by a significant portion of the male population either, so do you anticipate male AFL to fail on that basis.
Most boys do not play footy. More people have zero interest in footy, than some.
Yet, it survives.
Woman's footy will not be as popular amongst girls as men's is amongst boys, probably. But that means the sport will find its level at whatever participation rate there is.
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All sports are still suffering from the pandemic, and any drop off would be expected due to the ramping up of women's footy bringing a lot of women that had left the sport as juniors back into the sport, then through a process of player churn is seeing the less talented move on, this process is common across all sports but usually at junior level, whereas with women's footy they have been making up for lost time by building the senior levels first.
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What sport do women draw bigger crowds or audiences than men?
Every major sport the audience for the men dwarfs the women's and is pretty much what you would expect. That's never going to change for the AFL, not to say that AFLW can't continue to grow and build a good supporter base/
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Women's netball would be one sport and maybe hockey might and men and women's tennis goes through periods where one is more popular than the other.
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Unlucky news for lions and lily posthelthwaite with her acl injury
Can’t get a replacement player either as that deadline has passed so now 1 short on their list
Can’t get a replacement player either as that deadline has passed so now 1 short on their list
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Liked the post, but didn't like what happened to Lily.
Hasn't Ikon Park just been given millions dollars of public money to make it AFLW standard? Are those works still underway? Surely this cannot be the final outcome.
Works definitely aren’t complete to my rough eye on the tram trip past Princes Park
Guys don't play netball and other sports with reasonable female crowds are smaller sports. Tennis seems to be a bit of an exception, but the other big ones like basketball, cricket and soccer there's a massive difference in respective audiences (not to say the female audiences can't grow though).
Might want to hold you horses on Soccer.
I'd need to find the numbers again, but I remember a year or so ago an article talking about how the US Women's National Soccer Team drew larger crowds than the US Men's National team (article was around the US Women's Soccer Pay Case).
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England women's football (soccer) team now have the highest crowd for a Euro's game after 87k packed out Wembley. At this stage it doesn't translate into club football so much.
The works are not complete - they’ve only just completed Stage 2. The Visitor changerooms are part of Stage 3:
Something the league should have considered before they scheduled more games there in the early part of the season.
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The US Women's soccer pay case is a massive joke btw.
There are always exceptions to the rule, but men's soccer is massive worldwide and the crowds for the women's equivalent I assume are tiny in comparison. This would be the same for all competitions across the world.
I have noticed a physical copy of the AFLW Record Season Guide is available this year. I understand there was a digital version published online last year and there was another guide published earlier this year. Are these editions the only three AFLW Season Guides?
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