Definitely between Ablett and Riewoldt, I would have though.
Judd is flashy though. More eye-catching ability in his little finger then the the rest of the top 10 put together.
Well he certainly likes to catch onto eyes with his fingers...
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Well he certainly likes to catch onto eyes with his fingers...
Definitely between Ablett and Riewoldt, I would have though.
Judd is flashy though. More eye-catching ability in his little finger then the the rest of the top 10 put together.
Maybe at West Coast. Ablett is far more eye-catching than Judd these days.
That's right. IIRC every team except Geelong and Collingwood had Franklin either first or second - those two clubs he was well down the list.
It will be interesting to see the club-by-club makeup of the lists.
Stretching my memory here, but I think I worked out if you took out Geelong's Franklin votes, and Hawthorn's Ablett votes, there was only about 50 or so in it (ie Collingwood not voting for Franklin meant he missed out).
I'm sure we all care about it a hell of a lot more than the players, though.
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Jeeee-sus. If the players' collective opinions aren't good enough then there's nowhere left to turn. What a pile of shit this thread is.
You're carrying on like a bunch of old women because the BF consensus vote for Roo didn't get up! It's not like Ablett isn't a decent player - halfway through the season he was almost odds-on to win the Brownlow FFS.
You're carrying on like a bunch of old women because the BF consensus vote for Roo didn't get up! It's not like Ablett isn't a decent player - halfway through the season he was almost odds-on to win the Brownlow FFS.
Well then this is a silly response. Most teams play each other once during the season. As people have already said, plenty of players don't watch football. So under your argument they make a judgment on who is the best player over the whole season based on seeing each player play twice max. That's ridiculous. Hawthorn players would have no idea how Riewoldt has gone this year based on your argument.
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Just proves that MVP is a midfielders award, like the Brownlow and that most footballers read the media and don't think too deeply.
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It's not like Riewoldt isn't a decent player either, pal.
People are sick of Ablett winning it and felt there was another player who deserved it at least equally this year.
Those people are entitled to their views.
Thats actually a great point.
Congrats to Ablett (Id still pick Bartel from Geelong first for Saints anyday) but you gotta wonder if the players dont watch much footy and in fairness probably try their best to get away from it...how much merit does the award carry?
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IIRC Carlton had Franklin well done the list as well.
Brown Bottle
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I never suggested for a moment that Riewoldt wouldn't be a worthy winner.
Why are people sick of Ablett winning it? If the players think he's the MVP and they're the ones who actually go out and play with / against these guys how can any of us sit here and say "they're wrong!" with such fervour?
Very incorrect. The best players in the history have won the MVP. Wayne Carey has won the MVP twice but never a Brownlow. Ablett snr, Dunstall, Lockett, Luke Darcy have all won the MVP and Reiwodlt won it in 2004 so it is really not a midfielders award. Ablett is a worthy of he's three-peat as the players that play would know who the best player is.
Nup, you've missed the point. They don't necessarily need to vote based on the whole season. The players could simply vote on based on one game (if they don't watch much footy). When you take all of the votes into account they reflect the whole season. Hawthorn players mightn't know about Riewoldt, but Ablett missed 3 games this season.
The point is players will judge the MVP based on whatever criteria. ACROSS THE ENTIRE COMP it will balance out. I would always back the players to get it right for this award.
Check the list of previous winners, not one Wanganeen/Woewoedin amongst them.
I also notice you avoid mention of Riewoldt vs Ablett early in the year.
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Why on earth do people care so much about these awards. Add it to the long list of laughable awards in the AFL.
Interesting that Hutchy stated the Geelong players didn't even vote Gaz their MVP over Selwood.
Riewoldt should have won this award but who cares what can you do.
Interesting that Hutchy stated the Geelong players didn't even vote Gaz their MVP over Selwood.
Riewoldt should have won this award but who cares what can you do.
Alatna
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People are sick of him winning because he's won it three bloody times!
Consider the fact that Wayne Carey and Michael Voss only won it twice each.
Everyone has an opinion on who the year's best player has been. You can't expect them not to express their views. Personally I think Roo was robbed, and I'm happy to say so.
But it's only the supporters who get worked up about these things.
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Does he win a box of four-and-twenty pies?
Well done Gaz!
4 in a row? I wouldn't doubt it.
4 in a row? I wouldn't doubt it.
Look at it from another angle, and it's really a compliment to St Kilda. People still think we are capable to win based on our overall team peformance, and a great example was when we left so many big names out earlier in the season and still won.
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Greg Williams never won a b&f for Sydney. It's not unheard of...
I seriously find it perplexing that we don't rate the players' opinions because apparently all they do is play football (I'm sure the majority would watch at least a couple of games, besides their own, each week), they don't take the time to watch it. Yet we deride the "experts" in the media, because all they do is watch football, they never played it at any serious standard.
If I was an AFL player, I'd base my 3-2-1 on the three players who had the biggest individual impact against my team when we played against them. Consistency would have nothing to do with it. So what? If the player in question had only had one blinder against my team and not against anyone else, well he's not going to poll enough votes to win, is he? Eventually if everyone voted this way, consistency would play a part, because the winner would be the one who had played the most outstanding games against the most opponents.
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Voted on most valuable to their Dream Teams.
Would be a good point, if it weren't for Swan having a higher Dream Team average, and Swan, Montagna, Gibbs, Bartel, Boyd and Selwood all having a higher total score than Ablett.
some of you guys should pull your heads in
we the bigfooty posters are not in a better position than the players to decide who is the most valuable player in the competition.
they have the experience of playing footy at the highest level first hand , we just watch the game on tv or in the stands
they have axcess to stats that we wouldnt even no existed
they spend hours preparing for and analysing games
they are also in a better position to judge who is the most effective player as they are out their on the field
we the bigfooty posters are not in a better position than the players to decide who is the most valuable player in the competition.
they have the experience of playing footy at the highest level first hand , we just watch the game on tv or in the stands
they have axcess to stats that we wouldnt even no existed
they spend hours preparing for and analysing games
they are also in a better position to judge who is the most effective player as they are out their on the field
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It is the same no matter the award - media, players, brownlow. Each is based on a personal pov and everyone is going to be different.
Personally I couldn't understand how the hell Cooney won the brownlow last year but then I hadn't watched at least 10 of the doggie games so how would I know. I couldn't work out why it took Buckley so long to win one, why hodge only got two votes last season - it is all about personal opinion.
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It is the same no matter the award - media, players, brownlow. Each is based on a personal pov and everyone is going to be different.
Personally I couldn't understand how the hell Cooney won the brownlow last year but then I hadn't watched at least 10 of the doggie games so how would I know. I couldn't work out why it took Buckley so long to win one, why hodge only got two votes last season - it is all about personal opinion.
