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Yeah, that is the way i see it too.
Why would ASADA have to present their case here and now. If you wanna see all the evidence ignore the Show Cause, then you'll get to see it soon enough.
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Why would ASADA have to present their case here and now. If you wanna see all the evidence ignore the Show Cause, then you'll get to see it soon enough.
Can they be sure if they provide the evidence that it won't make it to the public realm?
Perhaps they dont want to hand it over lest it turns into a shit fight through the media again?
Perhaps they dont want to hand it over lest it turns into a shit fight through the media again?
i'm just glad that, after nearly 18 months, the AFL PA have finally done their job and made a statement on behalf of the players.
Nice point. The hun would have a lift out!
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This is a hilarious little standoff.
Why should the players need the evidence - it happened to them, THEY WERE THERE!
Of course their club is still running with the line that they do not have records. And the players are still running with the line that they were duped.
Now the lawyers and law enforcement folk amongst us will know more then me, but if I get dragged into police headquarters to be questioned for a murder I committed I don't think I have any rights to inspect the police evidence. I am pretty sure they will unleash that on me when they are ready.
Also, stop saying there are offers of deals on the table. There are no deals on offer, just the established process.
That is such a stupid comparison - it just baffles me how you think it's appropriate and logical in this context.
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Exactly. They have been told ASADA has evidence that show a doping violation may have occurred. They have to chance to show cause why this evidence shouldn't be sent to the ADVRP. They can either do that or not. This is not at the trial stage.
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How are the players meant to respond if the only allegation is "You took TB4 at some point"?
No referral to when, how and all that.
How do you refute that allegation without ASADA expanding on why the believe that?
No referral to when, how and all that.
How do you refute that allegation without ASADA expanding on why the believe that?
Why? The players are not charged with anything. They have been asked to show cause why they shouldn't be charged with something. Why do they need to see what evidence ASASA has before they can respond? Why should ASADA's evidence change how they respond? That is the real point here.
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How the **** are they meant to do that if they have no idea what the evidence is?!
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This is a hilarious little standoff.
Why should the players need the evidence - it happened to them, THEY WERE THERE!
Of course their club is still running with the line that they do not have records
Now the lawyers and law enforcement folk amongst us will know more then me, but if I get dragged into police headquarters to be questioned for a murder I committed I don't think I have any rights to inspect the police evidence. I am pretty sure they will unleash that on me when they are ready.
Also, stop saying there are offers of deals on the table. There are no deals on offer, just the established process.
LOL
This is a hilarious little standoff.
Why should the players need the evidence - it happened to them, THEY WERE THERE!
Of course their club is still running with the line that they do not have records
Now the lawyers and law enforcement folk amongst us will know more then me, but if I get dragged into police headquarters to be questioned for a murder I committed I don't think I have any rights to inspect the police evidence. I am pretty sure they will unleash that on me when they are ready.
Also, stop saying there are offers of deals on the table. There are no deals on offer, just the established process.
The complete brief does have to be provided long before the trial. There can be no ambushing at trial.
If i ASADA i would show them the consent forms they signed show they agree to take thymosin.
Then show them the texts from DAnk to the weapon saying thymosin is going to be the cornerstone of program.
Then show them the texts from DANK to Charters asking for a butt load of TB4 vials.
Then say your move A-holes!
Then show them the texts from DAnk to the weapon saying thymosin is going to be the cornerstone of program.
Then show them the texts from DANK to Charters asking for a butt load of TB4 vials.
Then say your move A-holes!
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How the hell do they respond without knowing the specifics of the allegation and the reasoning behind it?
You want to use the cop comparison? This is like being brought in, asked why you shouldn't be charged as a murderer without even being told why they brought you of all people in or asking any other question or providing any details over the death in the first place.
It just seems wrong that they can ask for Evidence,
They either go in and say we took it, we have no idea we took it, or we didnt take it and take them to court. Essendon are absoluite scum. they just wanna see if they are hung before they decide to go to court.
They either go in and say we took it, we have no idea we took it, or we didnt take it and take them to court. Essendon are absoluite scum. they just wanna see if they are hung before they decide to go to court.
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Hand over all evidence of the substances the players believe they took. This may disprove any evidence ASADA has.
If the players dont have any evidence (which is the case i believe) then they cant refute the show cause and will be charged.
in the eyes of the ASADA barrackers they can do no wrong
what do you actually think the investigation was about? Have you forgotten that took place?
Are you suggesting the players didn't cooperate?
This is obviously a very different process and the show cause stage is no where near a trial is it? Is any evidence provided when you get charged for example?
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That example is totally wrong. Using your example, It would be like the cops bringing you in, asking you a whole heap of questions in relation to the murder, releasing you then sending you a letter to show cause as to why you should not be charged with murder.
I would have thought that all reasonable steps would have involved having a discussion with the club Dr on the purpose of the injections and whether or not the Drugs were compliant with the WADA code.
question:
the players have not been charged yet, if the cannot show cause, they will be sent to the adrvp, is that when the evidence is put to them?
i'd suggest that.
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You follow the process and go through to ADVRP panel and get to see the evidence against you.
The SC is a precurser to that.
