Women's Footy AFLW Crows in 2019

[NTRabbit]

I didn't like Thebarton, too open, too much of an ammos ground, the country carnival feel didn't appeal to me. Have much preferred our Norwood games as a spectator.

They're looking to make a boutique alternative oval stadium for small stuff, our equivalent of Princes Park, and Norwood is the leading candidate for a number of reasons - it's central like Unley and Richmond, but unlike Richmond will have a tram stop right out front in the mid term future (Unley's tram stop is longer term), and unlike Unley doesn't have a fixture collision problem with grade cricket.

 

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I didn't like Thebarton, too open, too much of an ammos ground, the country carnival feel didn't appeal to me. Have much preferred our Norwood games as a spectator.

They're looking to make a boutique alternative oval stadium for small stuff, our equivalent of Princes Park, and Norwood is the leading candidate for a number of reasons - it's central like Unley and Richmond, but unlike Richmond will have a tram stop right out front in the mid term future (Unley's tram stop is longer term), and unlike Unley doesn't have a fixture collision problem with grade cricket.

Richmond is more central than Norwood more so when South Road is completed.
May have trouble from the northeastern areas but that would all.
While Norwood is a Problem from North, South and West
Also while Norwood oval good for viewing after 6000 it becomes a problem and a shit place to find a car park.
not one of my favourite ground to get to and stay.

 

[NTRabbit]

I'm south, I've got no issue with getting to Norwood now, will have less issue once the tram line happens.

Even if the South Rd update made it easier to funnel cars to Richmond, there will never be enough parking; car access is essentially irrelevant for current day planners anyway, mass public transport access is far, far more important for venues, and Adelaide Showgrounds rail station is far too long a walk. The Parade tram line will happen eventually, it's a raffle between whether it, the North Adelaide line, or the completed city loop happen first, but all are solid plans far enough along. A tram line from Hurtle Square right down Unley Road is tentatively planned, but the city loop needs to happen first, and honestly I feel like a line down Glen Osmond to the Waite Campus is the better option.

Richmond's other problem is that there's nothing else around it, new construction and refurbishment these days tends to predicated on 'activation' of the surrounding area. No level of government is going to give the sort of grant money required without also being able to tout the multiplying impact on the local community and local businesses, and Richmond is surrounded by houses on one side, and industrial estate on the other. Norwood, and to a lesser extent Unley, are adjacent to existing hospitality and retail strips.

 

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I'm south, I've got no issue with getting to Norwood now, will have less issue once the tram line happens.

Even if the South Rd update made it easier to funnel cars to Richmond, there will never be enough parking; car access is essentially irrelevant for current day planners anyway, mass public transport access is far, far more important for venues, and Adelaide Showgrounds rail station is far too long a walk. The Parade tram line will happen eventually, it's a raffle between whether it, the North Adelaide line, or the completed city loop happen first, but all are solid plans far enough along. A tram line from Hurtle Square right down Unley Road is tentatively planned, but the city loop needs to happen first, and honestly I feel like a line down Glen Osmond to the Waite Campus is the better option.

Richmond's other problem is that there's nothing else around it, new construction and refurbishment these days tends to predicated on 'activation' of the surrounding area. No level of government is going to give the sort of grant money required without also being able to tout the multiplying impact on the local community and local businesses, and Richmond is surrounded by houses on one side, and industrial estate on the other. Norwood, and to a lesser extent Unley, are adjacent to existing hospitality and retail strips.

Car parking near Richmond oval a breeze, one of the best next to South and Centrals ground.
If your Early the parks around the ground, if you arrive after the reserves have started then go straight to the home centre carpark.
And there plenty of Places to eat on the way there and back at cheaper prices than Norwood,
And you don't go to the football at Norwood Oval to eat.
And I reckon the Light rail or Electric Buses to Adelaide Airport will happen before Norwood gets the tram.

For Car Parking its
South Adelaide, Central big gap Richmond gap Thebby, Alberton, Glenelg gap North, Norwood and Unley

 

[NTRabbit]

The tram extension to the Airport will go down Henley Beach Rd, not near Richmond Oval, and that probably also won't happen until they start work on the city loop, because of where it connects to the existing network. They've already done the first section of both the North Adelaide and Norwood lines - the city loop will turn down Frome past the front of The Adelaidean, the Botanic Gardens stop past Frome is where the line goes to the Parade, via East Tce, Rundle Rd, and Parade West.

Having enough parks to cater for the 800 people who go to an SANFL game is not the same as catering for the crowds they're looking for at a boutique second ground, and again, Richmond doesn't have any mass public transport access, and without that it's never going to be considered. City planners in Adelaide are moving beyond the car.

A considerable amount of planning and spending has gone into using Adelaide Oval to activate North Adelaide, the new Riverbank precinct, and North Tce/Hindley, as post game destinations, to the benefit of the businesses there, and the finances and culture of the city as a whole. A lot of people go to meals before/after games, a lot of people continue on at city venues after games. A stadium can't just be out on its own anymore, which is why the Hindmarsh Stadium owners are already in the preliminary stages of getting a new city rectangular venue built over the rail yards. I look at Richmond on google maps and the best I can see is Cafe de Vilis on the other side of two major roads, and then some takeout places 2 blocks up Richmond Rd.

 

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The tram extension to the Airport will go down Henley Beach Rd, not near Richmond Oval, and that probably also won't happen until they start work on the city loop, because of where it connects to the existing network. They've already done the first section of both the North Adelaide and Norwood lines - the city loop will turn down Frome past the front of The Adelaidean, the Botanic Gardens stop past Frome is where the line goes to the Parade, via East Tce, Rundle Rd, and Parade West.

Having enough parks to cater for the 800 people who go to an SANFL game is not the same as catering for the crowds they're looking for at a boutique second ground, and again, Richmond doesn't have any mass public transport access, and without that it's never going to be considered. City planners in Adelaide are moving beyond the car.

A considerable amount of planning and spending has gone into using Adelaide Oval to activate North Adelaide, the new Riverbank precinct, and North Tce/Hindley, as post game destinations, to the benefit of the businesses there, and the finances and culture of the city as a whole. A lot of people go to meals before/after games, a lot of people continue on at city venues after games. A stadium can't just be out on its own anymore, which is why the Hindmarsh Stadium owners are already in the preliminary stages of getting a new city rectangular venue built over the rail yards. I look at Richmond on google maps and the best I can see is Cafe de Vilis on the other side of two major roads, and then some takeout places 2 blocks up Richmond Rd.

Henley beach road or more realistically sir Donald Bradman road. were the current bus travels. Either way not many would use both to get to the football. Trams are not big enough to cater for a decent football crowd.
And even if it did by the time its built the Games will be played at Adelaide Oval. You need trains to cater for big crowds not trams

I am talking a 10,000 plus crowd and sellouts they are are a pain at Norwood and not the best ground to get to and watch the game from. For the sellout AFLW, I Would prefer Richmond or Thebby for the AFLW games more so when I take the Grandkids. as temporary grounds at this time and then Adelaide Oval for when they hit 20,000 regularly in a few years time.
Don't make people think about the travel and Parking before they go to a Game. Don't make it a chore to get to the ground taking away some of the limelight.

This year getting to the AFLW games and taking young Kids is going to be a Chore, I will still go but it's getting harder at Norwood and Unley. And trust me the GrandKids don't eat at the fancy food joints on the Parade,
Football both Women's and Men need to still cater for the Kids they are the Future.
To be honest the Grandkid don't like going to Norwood Oval. Their words "its an adult oval, not a kids oval"

 

[NTRabbit]

No the airport tram line is definitely planned for Henley Beach Rd, not Sir Don.

Planners do want people to think about travel and parking before they go, they want them to think "I'm not going to drive, it's easier to take a train/tram/bus"

Richmond has no mass public transport access, it's just not going to be considered for a boutique stadium upgrade.

 

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No the airport tram line is definitely planned for Henley Beach Rd, not Sir Don.

Planners do want people to think about travel and parking before they go, they want them to think "I'm not going to drive, it's easier to take a train/tram/bus"

Richmond has no mass public transport access, it's just not going to be considered for a boutique stadium upgrade.

Does it matter about the tram as I said both the Tram to Norwood or a tram to any other ground will not help with a large Football Crowd, the only transport that will do that is the Train? or Car Parks.
Are people going to think I will travel to Adelaide then catch the Tram to Norwood? For me, that is a Big No. You're asking a lot of supporters to drive to a Park and Ride, catching a train/bus to Adelaide then catching the Tram While carrying all the gear required when taking Kids. Do you really believe that better, than Driving to the Ground
Tram or Bus, Norwood will still be a bad ground for large crowds to get to and Leave but more importantly it's not family friendly.

As for Richmond as a boutique ground who cares, I would rather Thebby being built up and improved on. if that what they want. or better still an Oval on the main train line.
I am not a Westie nor a Norwood supporter I just want to go a see AFLW at the best ground that is easy to get to and Family friendly.

And even if the Tram to Norwood gets done it would be too late as by then AFLW will be at Adelaide oval

 

[1970crow]

Car parking near Richmond oval a breeze, one of the best next to South and Centrals ground.
If your Early the parks around the ground, if you arrive after the reserves have started then go straight to the home centre carpark.
And there plenty of Places to eat on the way there and back at cheaper prices than Norwood,
And you don't go to the football at Norwood Oval to eat.
And I reckon the Light rail or Electric Buses to Adelaide Airport will happen before Norwood gets the tram.

For Car Parking its
South Adelaide, Central big gap Richmond gap Thebby, Alberton, Glenelg gap North, Norwood and Unley

Are AFLW crowd numbers similar to SANFL?

 

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Are AFLW crowd numbers similar to SANFL?

To date, the AFLW games are bigger but seem to be trending down if they keep playing at Norwood.
Thebby pulled 2 x 9,000 plus
Norwood started with 12,000 and 11,000 then Dropped to 4,900 and 5,900.

SANFL get the occasional crowd of 5,000 plus but most times its between 1,000 and 3,000.
Apart from Finals.

 

[1970crow]

To date, the AFLW games are bigger but seem to be trending down if they keep playing at Norwood.
Thebby pulled 2 x 9,000 plus
Norwood started with 12,000 and 11,000 then Dropped to 4,900 and 5,900.

SANFL get the occasional crowd of 5,000 plus but most times its between 1,000 and 3,000.
Apart from Finals.

I'm on phone, can you list all game venues and crowds.

 

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I'm on phone, can you list all game venues and crowds.

AFLW Crows Home games.
2017 - Thebby 9,289 and 9,006, Norwood 12,108, TIO 5,100 = 4 games 8,876 average
2018 - Norwood 11,120, 4,900, 5,970, TIO 2,159, = 4 games 6037 average

 

[1970crow]

AFLW Crows Home games.
2017 - Thebby 9,289 and 9,006, Norwood 12,108, TIO 5,100 = 4 games 8,876 average
2018 - Norwood 11,120, 4,900, 5,970, TIO 2,159, = 4 games 6037 average

The 2018 drop after the opening round is interesting. TIO halved as well. Could it be more about performance than happiness with oval? We know crowds rise with expectations.

 

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The 2018 drop after the opening round is interesting. TIO halved as well. Could it be more about performance than happiness with oval? We know crowds rise with expectations.

Some could be performance based but I would not rule out location as they're not a lot for the Kids to do, and getting there can be an issue creating even more hassles when you have Grandkids in tow. Some grounds are great for taking kids some are not. Unable to comment on TIO.

 

[Next Gen Rookie]

Some could be performance based but I would not rule out location as they're not a lot for the Kids to do, and getting there can be an issue creating even more hassles when you have Grandkids in tow. Some grounds are great for taking kids some are not. Unable to comment on TIO.

Day games aren't attended as well either.

 

[Coopers]

To date, the AFLW games are bigger but seem to be trending down if they keep playing at Norwood.
Thebby pulled 2 x 9,000 plus
Norwood started with 12,000 and 11,000 then Dropped to 4,900 and 5,900.

SANFL get the occasional crowd of 5,000 plus but most times its between 1,000 and 3,000.
Apart from Finals.

Not sure if that's Norwood, or the lack of media the AFL put into the comp last year?
First year they pushed it pretty hard, with a lot of buzz. 2nd season there wasn't nearly as much advertising.

Hopefully that improves.

 

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Not sure if that's Norwood, or the lack of media the AFL put into the comp last year?
First year they pushed it pretty hard, with a lot of buzz. 2nd season there wasn't nearly as much advertising.

Hopefully that improves.

My family reasons for not attending the last couple at Norwood was because of the ground,
While I attended, 1 of them it made no sense going to the last game solo. as several people who also attend that we meet up with had the same issue and stayed home. The Kids don't like Norwood Oval. And its the family Groups that did not attend the games.
I am trying to convince the grandkids to enjoy Football, but some grounds make it hard. They even prefer to attend training sessions before going to some grounds.
Some of the grounds are making the same mistakes the SANFL made years ago, they made the game hard for Kids to want to go. Yes they change a bit but not until they lost the next generation.

 

[radiojake]

been a long time since I've been to Norwood Oval - There is a good chance the last time I was there was when I played mini-league at half time

Don't remember what made it a bad place to watch footy - I remember Norwood smashing Centrals that day - I played for Centrals for the halftime mini-league but was loudly barracking for Norwood afterwards in the stands. None of my teammates were that happy with me as they were mostly Centrals

 

[radiojake]

oh boy I hope we get an Erin Phillips at 100% fitness

 

[SaltPeter]

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2018-11-28/crows-launch-indigenous-female-academy

Seems like a good initiative. Hope is has lasting benefits for the community and the competition

 

[finn]

Does it matter about the tram as I said both the Tram to Norwood or a tram to any other ground will not help with a large Football Crowd, the only transport that will do that is the Train? or Car Parks.
Are people going to think I will travel to Adelaide then catch the Tram to Norwood? For me, that is a Big No. You're asking a lot of supporters to drive to a Park and Ride, catching a train/bus to Adelaide then catching the Tram While carrying all the gear required when taking Kids. Do you really believe that better, than Driving to the Ground
Tram or Bus, Norwood will still be a bad ground for large crowds to get to and Leave but more importantly it's not family friendly.

As for Richmond as a boutique ground who cares, I would rather Thebby being built up and improved on. if that what they want. or better still an Oval on the main train line.
I am not a Westie nor a Norwood supporter I just want to go a see AFLW at the best ground that is easy to get to and Family friendly.

And even if the Tram to Norwood gets done it would be too late as by then AFLW will be at Adelaide oval

Forget Thebarton, it’s owned by the Amateur League who don’t have the money to put into larger facilities for 4 or so uses per year. It was good when the Crows played there and local amateur league teams had food and information stalls. At least Norwood has better food facilities at the ground.

Norwood does have the family area at the northern goals; well a bouncy castle at least. I can’t remember whether you can go on the ground during breaks to have a dob (like the SANFL) and these provide an opportunity to bleed off energy.

My main concern is the thought that kids need to be entertained while at an inherently entertaining sporting event. I get the need to run around but the kids I’ve taken to the Parade and other grounds always find some space to do so. I also believe that kids also learn from watching and having a focus is not necessarily a bad thing. This, of course, is a separate issue and one that leads into generational ideas of child raising (of which there is no real consensus).

What can’t be denied is that no SANFL ground will be Adelaide Oval and have the infrastructure or area (hence available space) necessary to cater for 50 000 people. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly until women’s AFL footy is properly situated there.

 

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Is Abbey Holmes playing for us in 2019? I haven’t seen her in any team photos or stories, and her partner Brooksby is moving to WA...

 

[radiojake]

Is Abbey Holmes playing for us in 2019? I haven’t seen her in any team photos or stories, and her partner Brooksby is moving to WA...

not offered a contract

 

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Is Abbey Holmes playing for us in 2019? I haven’t seen her in any team photos or stories, and her partner Brooksby is moving to WA...

Delisted

 

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Delisted

Really?!?! Damn.