Coach Alastair Clarkson III - new NMFC senior coach until at least end 2027 - NMFC board approved AC to start 1/11 amid ongoing HFC racism investigation

[DuckYeah]

So over this all

The way this has been handled regardless of who, what and where is just sapping of the enjoyment of the game for me.

As serious as these allegations are the afl and all parties should be making this quick, succinct and thorough. But we’re no where near close to anything.

I agree. Its actually tarnishing respect for everyone involved. Said it before, i’ll say it again. This should of solely been labelled Hawthorn allegations. The mud slinging and I can’t wait for the players involved to put their hands up. Unbelievable and a complete farce in the battle of BLM to be fair. Just my opinion.

 

[My Left Foote]

Ricky Nixon goes bang!

Does he have any Geelong Premiership paraphernalia?

 

[czero]

I would think the alleged conduct falls more squarely in the areas of employment and anti-discrimination law. Would imagine likely remedies for the families if they were successful at court would be a lot less than what the AFL would be prepared to settle for. The question will be how far the families want to push this. If they're willing to push this to a court (which has not been suggested at this stage I understand), I'd be thinking there is substance to the allegations and Clarko/Fagan/AFL would want to avoid that. I think this will likely resolve itself through private mediation and settlement coupled with a general investigation and recommendations into systemic safeguards that are put in place moving forward. The big question for North I think is whether the whole process damages Clarkson sufficiently such that he doesn't want to coach next year. Clarko is no quitter and is strong in character and stubborn by all accounts. However, his legacy is very important to him and to have it dragged like this (baseless or otherwise) could impact his love of the game particularly if he feels like he's lost standing.

It completely depends on what is on the other side of this.

Lets say that from clarkson and fagans (et. al.) point of view there was genuine health and safety concerns for their player, and that the players came to them to express that, and to seek guidance. These 'forced' breakups could quite simply be a case of the boyfriend not knowing how to break it off, not wanting to be the bad guy - not an unusual situation. There is absolutely a possibility that clarkson and fagen were going out of their way to do what the players wanted.

Its so one sided right now you just couldn't assume anything about how it will play out.

I do think the AFL will put forward way for them to separate the AFL person from the rest of the investigation, and I don't think they will realistically be avoidable or reasonable for them to avoid.

 

[see see]

oh * me, we’re now getting Ricky Nixon in here.

In all fairness, it is in relation to his area of expertise - hitting the glass BBQ.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

As expected, Kennetts statement reads a lot like “not our problem”.

Yep, reads exactly as expected.

 

[blackshadow]

Does he have any Geelong Premiership paraphernalia?

Do bomber’s glass pipes count as premiership paraphernalia?

 

[Makeshift Park]

I don’t know much about how these quasi legal types of hearings work.

Is it basically like an administrative appeals tribunal hearing, except we’ll have four panel members, and there won’t be any statutory orders at the end of it all?

Is the testimony provided admissible as evidence in a future court case, should a party elect to litigate?

Is the onus on the players lawyer to define the alleged wrongdoing from the outset, and then they have a back and forth and cross examination to determine whether the wrongdoing as defined actually occurred? Or are they using actual laws and regulations to structure the proceedings?

 

[gokangas]

Does he have any Geelong Premiership paraphernalia?

Already has NMFC Premiership 2026 memorabilia - just email him for details.

 

[shinboner magic]

Does he have any Geelong Premiership paraphernalia?

Yeah from 2020

 

[shinboner magic]

It’s quite obvious that the players went to that journo as they didn’t trust the afl.
Probably thought the afl would cover it up

 

[gokangas]

Rita Panahi: Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan deserved due process​

Due process for Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan died when allegations were published by race-baiting media ravenous for a couple of big scalps.

Rita Panahi

September 29, 2022 - 6:22PM

Rita Panahi​

Is the Hawthorn Football Club full of cowards?

Where are the players, coaches and support staff from the “family club’’ as Alistair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt are accused of racism, bullying and human rights abuses so egregious it led to two miscarriages and long-term trauma?
So far only former Hawk Trent Croad and current Lions captain Dayne Zorko

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Dayne Zorko

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13.2

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8.2

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3.6

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6.0

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3.6

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

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5.0

3star

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2.0

2star

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5.0

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2.0

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16.4

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9.8

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6.6

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5.2

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6.6

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1.2

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have had the guts to publicly state a position; both have backed their respective coaches, though Zorko has no personal insight into what happened at Hawthorn. There’s no courage in taking potshots under the cover of anonymity or sitting on the fence if you have first-hand knowledge, good or bad, of what transpired at the club between 2010 and 2016.
These are grave allegations and those from within the inner sanctum can either confirm that a culture of racist bullying existed or that innocent men are being falsely and maliciously maligned.
It’s a little too late to wait for “the process” to play out when the men’s reputations are being dragged through the mud with their very livelihoods under threat.

Former Hawthorn coaches Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan. Picture: Colleen Petch.
Any notion of “due process’’ died the moment grievous allegations were published from anonymous accusers who remain protected while the accused are named, shamed and systematically destroyed by a race-baiting media ravenous for a couple of big scalps.
In a statement, Clarkson said he was denied the opportunity to give his side of the story or even access to the report that was leaked to the media.
“I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted,” his statement read.
“The failure to maintain the confidentiality of the review and further damaging public speculation means I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”
Former player development manager Burt hit out at the process employed by Hawthorn football club: “Hawthorn saw fit to commission the report but did not give me the opportunity to respond to the allegations before the report was finalised and handed to the AFL,” he said.
Fagan also categorically denies the allegations made against him and both he and Clarkson have retained lawyers.
All three men have stood down from their current roles and there is widespread speculation, including from senior journalists, that Clarkson will not coach North Melbourne next season.

Clarkson and Chris Fagan were denied the opportunity to give their side of the story in the report.
Let me be clear: if the coaches are guilty of what has been alleged, they should never work in football again – not in the AFL, not in any league.
No game, not even a premiership hat-trick, is more important than the wellbeing of a child. If an individual in a position of power coerced someone to have an abortion it is an unforgivable sin in my book.
That said, I have next to zero faith in reports where the accused are not questioned, nor are non-Indigenous players and support staff.
As for the lesser allegations, do we know if other non-Indigenous players were also encouraged to leave behind family and friends the club saw as disrupting their football careers?
Was there any investigation done to see if such practices were routine for players whose private lives were seen as compromising their football potential?
When one views events solely through the filter of racial politics, then every decision and outcome is seen as race-based.
And, here is the most controversial question for the race-baiters; what about personal responsibility?
Are we supposed to blame the decisions of adult men abandoning girlfriends and children on their football coach?
Do we blame the coach for other poor choices; infidelity, gambling, overeating?
What happened to personal agency and accountability? Are they also deemed racist in 2022?
It is utterly unfair that aggrieved individuals can make allegations and before those allegations are tested or the accused even consulted, the entire catastrophe is leaked to the media.
It’s a reversal of the onus of proof and the notion that one is innocent until proven guilty. Now we have the perverse situation where the accused are found guilty by the media and activist class until they can prove their innocence.
It’s worth noting that the Hawthorn report was sparked by the claims of former champ Cyril Rioli, whose grievances included a joke about his wife’s ripped jeans that the couple saw as racist and “the final straw”.
At the time, Indigenous leader Warren Mundine decried the “ridiculous” hyperbole around an innocuous comment and the eagerness to paint every incident as racially motivated.
“All you got to do is make an allegation, whether it’s true or false, and then the lynch mob comes out,” he said.
That’s why it’s more important than ever that those who were in the Hawthorn inner sanctum speak up about what really happened and provide some clarity and transparency.
Back up those making the allegations or the coaches being accused. Staying silent is easy; speaking up publicly, not anonymously, takes real courage.

Rita PanahiColumnist and Sky News host

 

[Horace]

Rita Panahi: Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan deserved due process​

Due process for Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan died when allegations were published by race-baiting media ravenous for a couple of big scalps.

Rita Panahi

September 29, 2022 - 6:22PM

Rita Panahi​

Is the Hawthorn Football Club full of cowards?

Where are the players, coaches and support staff from the “family club’’ as Alistair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt are accused of racism, bullying and human rights abuses so egregious it led to two miscarriages and long-term trauma?
So far only former Hawk Trent Croad and current Lions captain Dayne Zorko have had the guts to publicly state a position; both have backed their respective coaches, though Zorko has no personal insight into what happened at Hawthorn. There’s no courage in taking potshots under the cover of anonymity or sitting on the fence if you have first-hand knowledge, good or bad, of what transpired at the club between 2010 and 2016.
These are grave allegations and those from within the inner sanctum can either confirm that a culture of racist bullying existed or that innocent men are being falsely and maliciously maligned.
It’s a little too late to wait for “the process” to play out when the men’s reputations are being dragged through the mud with their very livelihoods under threat.

Former Hawthorn coaches Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan. Picture: Colleen Petch.
Any notion of “due process’’ died the moment grievous allegations were published from anonymous accusers who remain protected while the accused are named, shamed and systematically destroyed by a race-baiting media ravenous for a couple of big scalps.
In a statement, Clarkson said he was denied the opportunity to give his side of the story or even access to the report that was leaked to the media.
“I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted,” his statement read.
“The failure to maintain the confidentiality of the review and further damaging public speculation means I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”
Former player development manager Burt hit out at the process employed by Hawthorn football club: “Hawthorn saw fit to commission the report but did not give me the opportunity to respond to the allegations before the report was finalised and handed to the AFL,” he said.
Fagan also categorically denies the allegations made against him and both he and Clarkson have retained lawyers.
All three men have stood down from their current roles and there is widespread speculation, including from senior journalists, that Clarkson will not coach North Melbourne next season.

Clarkson and Chris Fagan were denied the opportunity to give their side of the story in the report.
Let me be clear: if the coaches are guilty of what has been alleged, they should never work in football again – not in the AFL, not in any league.
No game, not even a premiership hat-trick, is more important than the wellbeing of a child. If an individual in a position of power coerced someone to have an abortion it is an unforgivable sin in my book.
That said, I have next to zero faith in reports where the accused are not questioned, nor are non-Indigenous players and support staff.
As for the lesser allegations, do we know if other non-Indigenous players were also encouraged to leave behind family and friends the club saw as disrupting their football careers?
Was there any investigation done to see if such practices were routine for players whose private lives were seen as compromising their football potential?
When one views events solely through the filter of racial politics, then every decision and outcome is seen as race-based.
And, here is the most controversial question for the race-baiters; what about personal responsibility?
Are we supposed to blame the decisions of adult men abandoning girlfriends and children on their football coach?
Do we blame the coach for other poor choices; infidelity, gambling, overeating?
What happened to personal agency and accountability? Are they also deemed racist in 2022?
It is utterly unfair that aggrieved individuals can make allegations and before those allegations are tested or the accused even consulted, the entire catastrophe is leaked to the media.
It’s a reversal of the onus of proof and the notion that one is innocent until proven guilty. Now we have the perverse situation where the accused are found guilty by the media and activist class until they can prove their innocence.
It’s worth noting that the Hawthorn report was sparked by the claims of former champ Cyril Rioli, whose grievances included a joke about his wife’s ripped jeans that the couple saw as racist and “the final straw”.
At the time, Indigenous leader Warren Mundine decried the “ridiculous” hyperbole around an innocuous comment and the eagerness to paint every incident as racially motivated.
“All you got to do is make an allegation, whether it’s true or false, and then the lynch mob comes out,” he said.
That’s why it’s more important than ever that those who were in the Hawthorn inner sanctum speak up about what really happened and provide some clarity and transparency.
Back up those making the allegations or the coaches being accused. Staying silent is easy; speaking up publicly, not anonymously, takes real courage.

Rita PanahiColumnist and Sky News host

That's about the last thing this needs. Rita Panahi wading in

 

[czero]

The allegations need to be tested not the other way around - but gee this trial by media is straight out of a playbook I would think

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Leon Zwier, the lawyer that the families arranged (prior to the report apparently) is also the guy who Peter Jess arranged for Winmar.

If the families made contact with binmada and asked for them to write the report, it is starting to look a bit diabolical.

I'll note that Peter Jess was the first one to hit the media the second that ABC report came out to talk about how much litigation there was going to be.

 

[R00StaR]

Shouldn't all this be an employment issue, so should be the players, Hawthorn and the AFL sorting it out.
If people want to claim the coaches broke the law, then take it to court.

 

[TheKanga]

When do you think we will know Clarko's start date?
This thing has only been going for a week but it feels like an eternity already.
Our players must be dealing with so much uncertainty at the moment.

 

[Horizons_00]

When do you think we will know Clarko's start date?
This thing has only been going for a week but it feels like an eternity already.
Our players must be dealing with so much uncertainty at the moment.

2023

Who knows though lol

 

[Ligma]

Jeff clearly didn't write that

Thanks, my point still stands.

 

[TheKanga]

2023

Who knows though lol

Maybe i'll try to check out from this story.
Maybe round 1 it will be patch coaching or clarko
Suprise me.

 

[travelli]

When do you think we will know Clarko's start date?
This thing has only been going for a week but it feels like an eternity already.
Our players must be dealing with so much uncertainty at the moment.

He's already started!

But officially Nov. 1

 

[Only Forwards]

 

[cachepotpro]

this thread continues to impress me with some of the 4D chess takes in here

 

[see see]

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What's a tent with a vagina on the front of it got to do with this?

 

[D23D]

What's a tent with a vagina on the front of it got to do with this?

You made me have a second look!
Nice tent

 

[Only Forwards]

What's a tent with a vagina on the front of it got to do with this?

Something something three rings

 

[Cool Kangas]

Does anyone know when we’re appointing a new CEO? And recruiters?? And assistant coaches?