Coach Alastair Clarkson III - new NMFC senior coach until at least end 2027 - NMFC board approved AC to start 1/11 amid ongoing HFC racism investigation

[Del191229]

Barrett is doing some very interesting back pedalling and contextualising. Shaping to get on the correct side of the story.

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

He doesn't legally work for us yet - hence contacting his personal management.

No need to contact us.

Which makes it even stranger. Hawthorn having commissioned the report, knowing its contents and what it would mean then ignored the ABC request for comment? is just too unbelievable.

 

[Del191229]

Which makes it even stranger. Hawthorn having commissioned the report, knowing its contents and what it would mean then ignored the ABC request for comment? is just too unbelievable.

I don't think institutional Hawthorn knew it had been leaked though.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Barrett is doing some very interesting back pedalling and contextualising. Shaping to get on the correct side of the story.

Barrett Fastball Special

 

[Psicosis]

Hi everyone. One more post from me tonight.

Firstly, thanks for all the love. I've been obsessed by this club for a long time and somehow the events of the last years seem to have brought that to ever more intensity. This latest saga has me breathlessly following, desperate for that genuine 'turning corner' moment where we can see the team genuinely developing again and get on board for a ride that will have ups as well as downs. I know a lot you feel the same and it's cathartic to have a community of equivi-nuts out there. Wonderfully, my Portuguese wife is fully on board and immersed in the journey with me too: I even woke up to her beaming face to give me the original Clarko news.

I want to add another point to this whole discussion. I want to talk about my personal journey. My first serious post on this topic was this one. I was an instant believer in the allegations. Their detail, their emotion. They made me feel sick and I wanted no part of it. I had no knee-jerk denial or tribal defensiveness.

My second post was this one a few days later. I already had suspicions. Things didn't seem right, the report seemed incomplete, the article under-researched, the stories had to reconcile with broader facts we knew. I detailed out the

My third post was this one, pointing out the holes in the process around the report and specifically the details we could now see around how 'yarning' and 'story-telling had morphed into hard accusations against individuals, the mess this makes and where it comes from.

My most recent post was this one, pulling apart the abc statement justifying the way it had reported around the issue.

When you look at the path of those posts, it's striking how they have gone from full-empathy for the victims to strong skepticism of the process and the outcomes. This has happened in parallel with my own (yes, speculative) impression that the complete stories are likely to be very different from the versions we were first told. I don't believe that skepticism comes from my deep wishes that Clarkson is cleared, I hope my first post is sufficient evidence of that.

And it makes me think that if this all falls over, if the media got it wrong, if the ex-players are incomplete in their story-telling, what a terrible result this is for indigenous Australia. There is enormous racism in Australia, casual and otherwise. There is enormous ignorance of diversity and multuculturalism. There are many people indigenous and non-indigenous around Australia suffering from this. It's hard.

And there are always those quick to defend power. Quick to say every accusation is made up. Quick to look for flaws in the accusers rather than wanting to fix systems of pain.

If this process, if this report-writer and this journalist, good intentioned or otherwise, if they create stories that fall apart and feed the narrative that racism is exaggerated, that complaints and self-interested, that media outrage is a commoditised fabrication, then they will have done a great disservice to the victims of discrimination and racism in this country.

Yeah it’s a disaster for First Nations Australia unfortunately.

It was however obvious from the outset.

There are 1000+ Past & Present people in the AFL industry that would be more believable of these allegations, then Clarkson & Fagan.

It has not smelt right from the start. It contradicts everything both men have stood for over the last two decades - publicly, privately, personally & professionally.

I am certain that there have been many examples of racism in the AFL industry over the last 20 years. Instead the ABC just wanted a big fish.

 

[Del191229]

Barrett Fastball Special

Someone has sat him down and walked him through things.

 

[nicko74]

Barrett is doing some very interesting back pedalling and contextualising. Shaping to get on the correct side of the story.

What's that lowlife, oxygen thief said now?

 

[Del191229]

I am certain that there have been many examples of racism in the AFL industry over the last 20 years. Instead the ABC just wanted a big fish.

Rusty got a rush of blood to the head.

 

[Del191229]

What's that lowlife, oxygen thief said now?

Says Clarko and Faga likely to unstand themselves down and explains why they are right to.

Hawthorn Discussion - ABC Statement (The Late Trade) - Day 5 (30/09/22)

The ABC have released a statement in regards to the Hawthorn racism story and the boys discuss it on The Late Trade.

player.whooshkaa.com

 

[big_e]

It sometimes takes my friends and family 3 days to respond, to my texts and/or emails. They aren't famous.

If you can't track down your family, does that make them Hidden Agendas?

 

[Agenda 21]

If you can't track down your family, does that make them Hidden Agendas?

Very droll, big_e.

 

[DunderHead]

lol. Rightio

Ah you’re one of those. Cool I won’t waste my time. Keep fighting the good fight.

 

[My Left Foote]

I kind of get the feeling that he's trying to bring the whole place down so that once they've ceased to exist, his legacy as their last ever premiership/finals winning coach will be cemented for eternity.

He just strikes me as that sort of egotistical campaigner.

You’d think having the GWS Best & Fairest named after him would be enough.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Ah you’re one of those. Cool I won’t waste my time. Keep fighting the good fight.

If your argument is that wasn’t to sow the seeds that indigenous people do this, it’s a long way up. That is blatantly racist rubbish which this board is entertaining because the bloke involved wears our polo shirt.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[DuckYeah]

Hi everyone. One more post from me tonight.

Firstly, thanks for all the love. I've been obsessed by this club for a long time and somehow the events of the last years seem to have brought that to ever more intensity. This latest saga has me breathlessly following, desperate for that genuine 'turning corner' moment where we can see the team genuinely developing again and get on board for a ride that will have ups as well as downs. I know a lot you feel the same and it's cathartic to have a community of equivi-nuts out there. Wonderfully, my Portuguese wife is fully on board and immersed in the journey with me too: I even woke up to her beaming face to give me the original Clarko news.

I want to add another point to this whole discussion. I want to talk about my personal journey. My first serious post on this topic was this one. I was an instant believer in the allegations. Their detail, their emotion. They made me feel sick and I wanted no part of it. I had no knee-jerk denial or tribal defensiveness.

My second post was this one a few days later. I already had suspicions. Things didn't seem right, the report seemed incomplete, the article under-researched, the stories had to reconcile with broader facts we knew. I detailed out the

My third post was this one, pointing out the holes in the process around the report and specifically the details we could now see around how 'yarning' and 'story-telling had morphed into hard accusations against individuals, the mess this makes and where it comes from.

My most recent post was this one, pulling apart the abc statement justifying the way it had reported around the issue.

When you look at the path of those posts, it's striking how they have gone from full-empathy for the victims to strong skepticism of the process and the outcomes. This has happened in parallel with my own (yes, speculative) impression that the complete stories are likely to be very different from the versions we were first told. I don't believe that skepticism comes from my deep wishes that Clarkson is cleared, I hope my first post is sufficient evidence of that.

And it makes me think that if this all falls over, if the media got it wrong, if the ex-players are incomplete in their story-telling, what a terrible result this is for indigenous Australia. There is enormous racism in Australia, casual and otherwise. There is enormous ignorance of diversity and multuculturalism. There are many people indigenous and non-indigenous around Australia suffering from this. It's hard.

And there are always those quick to defend power. Quick to say every accusation is made up. Quick to look for flaws in the accusers rather than wanting to fix systems of pain.

If this process, if this report-writer and this journalist, good intentioned or otherwise, if they create stories that fall apart and feed the narrative that racism is exaggerated, that complaints are self-interested, that media outrage is a commoditised fabrication, then they will have done a great disservice to the victims of discrimination and racism in this country.

These reasonable opinions are completely against the status quos status quo. Keep up the POTY’s

 

[blackshadow]

Hi everyone. One more post from me tonight.

Firstly, thanks for all the love. I've been obsessed by this club for a long time and somehow the events of the last years seem to have brought that to ever more intensity. This latest saga has me breathlessly following, desperate for that genuine 'turning corner' moment where we can see the team genuinely developing again and get on board for a ride that will have ups as well as downs. I know a lot you feel the same and it's cathartic to have a community of equivi-nuts out there. Wonderfully, my Portuguese wife is fully on board and immersed in the journey with me too: I even woke up to her beaming face to give me the original Clarko news.

I want to add another point to this whole discussion. I want to talk about my personal journey. My first serious post on this topic was this one. I was an instant believer in the allegations. Their detail, their emotion. They made me feel sick and I wanted no part of it. I had no knee-jerk denial or tribal defensiveness.

My second post was this one a few days later. I already had suspicions. Things didn't seem right, the report seemed incomplete, the article under-researched, the stories had to reconcile with broader facts we knew. I detailed out the

My third post was this one, pointing out the holes in the process around the report and specifically the details we could now see around how 'yarning' and 'story-telling had morphed into hard accusations against individuals, the mess this makes and where it comes from.

My most recent post was this one, pulling apart the abc statement justifying the way it had reported around the issue.

When you look at the path of those posts, it's striking how they have gone from full-empathy for the victims to strong skepticism of the process and the outcomes. This has happened in parallel with my own (yes, speculative) impression that the complete stories are likely to be very different from the versions we were first told. I don't believe that skepticism comes from my deep wishes that Clarkson is cleared, I hope my first post is sufficient evidence of that.

And it makes me think that if this all falls over, if the media got it wrong, if the ex-players are incomplete in their story-telling, what a terrible result this is for indigenous Australia. There is enormous racism in Australia, casual and otherwise. There is enormous ignorance of diversity and multuculturalism. There are many people indigenous and non-indigenous around Australia suffering from this. It's hard.

And there are always those quick to defend power. Quick to say every accusation is made up. Quick to look for flaws in the accusers rather than wanting to fix systems of pain.

If this process, if this report-writer and this journalist, good intentioned or otherwise, if they create stories that fall apart and feed the narrative that racism is exaggerated, that complaints are self-interested, that media outrage is a commoditised fabrication, then they will have done a great disservice to the victims of discrimination and racism in this country.

Phenomenal posting on the issue all through.

 

[desie]

This.

I’ve been pondering this, what’s worse, naming names or a generic reference to Hawthorn which tars everyone who was there over the course of the relevant six year period with the same brush and leads to endless speculation on which individuals are involved?

Tellingly the ABC statement doesn’t indicate a timeframe. If it was indeed 24 hours then publishing without a response to something of this magnitude is a disgrace.

There was no time imperative on Jackson’s behalf, he wasn’t about to be beaten to an exclusive.

 

[Hatchy1992]

Caro…topless

 

[Le Grille]

Every goal north kick she removes an item of clothing

 

[Makeshift Park]

Let’s be honest. If Jackson gave the coaches 72 hours instead, he might have ended up with an iteration of the statement that they both eventually provided. Or he might have ended up with nothing. (I suspect this would actually be the case, given they could have asked for more time and didn’t.)

In either scenario, the article would essentially have ended up how it appeared when the statements were added. There is no way they would have done interviews about allegations by anonymous former players.

So at the end of the day, it doesn’t make any material difference to the outcome whether it was 24 hours or 72 hours.

Clearly Jackson was confident enough in the veracity of the allegations to pull the trigger and publish.

Whether he was right or not to do that, in the manner he did, knowing what we know about the review and what has been identified by hsquid and others here, is the real nub of the “journalism ethics” part of this saga.

 

[Devington]

I’ve been pondering this, what’s worse, naming names or a generic reference to Hawthorn which tars everyone who was there over the course of the relevant six year period with the same brush and leads to endless speculation on which individuals are involved?

Tellingly the ABC statement doesn’t indicate a timeframe. If it was indeed 24 hours then publishing without a response to something of this magnitude is a disgrace.

There was no time imperative on Jackson’s behalf, he wasn’t about to be beaten to an exclusive.

Naming names doesn't help anyone involved other than the journos.

 

[blackshadow]

Let’s be honest. If Jackson gave the coaches 72 hours instead, he might have ended up with an iteration of the statement that they both eventually provided. Or he might have ended up with nothing. (I suspect this would actually be the case, given they could have asked for more time and didn’t.)

In either scenario, the article would essentially have ended up how it appeared when the statements were added. There is no way they would have done interviews about allegations by anonymous former players.

So at the end of the day, it doesn’t make any material difference to the outcome whether it was 24 hours or 72 hours.

Clearly Jackson was confident enough in the veracity of the allegations to pull the trigger and publish.

Whether he was right or not to do that, in the manner he did, knowing what we know about the review and what has been identified by hsquid and others here, is the real nub of the “journalism ethics” part of this saga.

If proper attempts to contact Clarko and Fagan and details of the allegations were actually supplied I’m convinced an injunction would have been taken out to stop publication.

I’m equally convinced that Rusty suspected as much and only did the bare minimum when seeking comment.

 

[Danni_Benson]

Mrs.Marstermind is an experienced CEO with a moderate media profile, who sits on several boards, albeit somewhat outside the football industry.

She says there would be no instance a responsible CEO would let a PA read emails directly sent to them without their knowledge, let alone respond to them without their knowledge. If they did then not only would the PA be grossly overstepping their brief, the CEO would be derelict in their duty.

For Newbold to claim ignorance here is fanciful.

That would be the case if the emails were sent to his direct email address however the emails were sent to a generic Hawthorn email so that would definitely be managed by someone other than Newbold. It would be the responsibility of the person managing that inbox to action and delegate emails received. Having said that, receiving an email so disturbing you would 100% bring it to someone’s attention higher up the chain but not necessarily directly to the President in the first instance. Perhaps someone senior in the footy department looked after it given they would have been across the issue with said player.

 

[Makeshift Park]

If proper attempts to contact Clarko and Fagan and details of the allegations were actually supplied I’m convinced an injunction would have been taken out to stop publication.

I’m equally convinced that Rusty suspected as much and only did the bare minimum when seeking comment.

They could have sought an injunction, but on what grounds would it have been granted?
The allegations in his story arose out of interviews Jackson had conducted, not the internal report (which the coaches could have argued was unlawfully leaked).

Can you give me an example of a similar situation whether there has been a successful injunction?

 

[Passmore]

Barrett is doing some very interesting back pedalling and contextualising. Shaping to get on the correct side of the story.

He may be a lot of things but stupid is not one of them.