Coach Alastair Clarkson III - new NMFC senior coach until at least end 2027 - NMFC board approved AC to start 1/11 amid ongoing HFC racism investigation

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Devington said:
What's the solution Paul? What's the right process?
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Gil: The one your AFL paymasters tell you, however you’re allowed to make idiotic suggestions just as long as at the end of the day you do what you’re told.
 

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blackshadow said:
I’m not quite that cynical.

I believe the report was commissioned with good intentions but there was * all oversight and as a result it’s turned into an absolute shambles.

Without oversight once the allegations were made Egan/Hawthorn didn’t have anything in place to properly respond and/or investigate them.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions…
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I think it's a bit from column a and a bit from column b.

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Makeshift Park said:
So, putting aside the possibility of human rights abuses and the strong likelihood of systemic entrenched racism in the AFL for a moment….

From a selfish North fan’s perspective, what’s the best case scenario for us now?

We want our senior coach back ASAP.

If the former players don’t want to give statements under oath, then they’re into the land of mediation, with the possibility of a confidential AFL/HFC financial settlement to make the problem go away. If both parties agree to this process, it could be over in a matter of weeks.

Then there would probably have to be some kind of public apology from HFC to Clarkson about the manner in which the review was conducted and made public. But that would be reasonably straight forward once the first process with the players is wrapped up.

Then, there’s the issue of defamation. There’s a decent chance Clarko takes the ABC to court. The problem is that process will take months, if not longer. Meanwhile, we have no coach. Better from our perspective that Clarko’s lawyers strike an agreement with the ABC that means the broadcaster pays for all legal and associated costs, and put out editorial notes across all the platforms where the original story appeared, declaring that the ABC did not intend to imply that Mr Clarkson committed any of the actions alleged, and it apologises to him for any hardship caused, etc.

All of that is to say… it’s not impossible that we have our coach back this year, right?
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Part of Hawthorns apology has to involve Clarko being able to start work with us straight away. Surely this destroys any contractual obligations they had left him with.

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This has become a circus. The report commissioned by Hawthorn has been leaked yet the accused have not been given the opportunity to view it. You have a reporter publishing an article where Clarko and Fagen are called child killers and racist yet not given enough time to provide a measured response . You have a media pile on where white reporters are reporting on a situation where they have no idea what First Nations people are and have experienced.

The biggest losers here are the accusers and accused and this is where the focus should be because the AFL have a massive issue here and I'm not talking about Hawthorn, it's AFL wide. While the AFL have slightly improved from the heady days of the 80s where the Krakouer Bros were subjected to the most vile treatment yet the AFL did nothing. The AFL should not only review the Hawthorn situation but it should also review itself.

For what it's worth I don't think Clarko is a racist or advised a player to abort his baby but I also think the players and their wives also have a claim. It may not be as dramatic as first told but sometimes you need to be extreme to get any attention and lets be honest the AFL only give lip service and provde some tokenism to our indigenous people. Time to get fair dinkum AFL and sort this situation out pronto and then turm the blow torch on yourself .
 
Bigeasy said:
This has become a circus. The report commissioned by Hawthorn has been leaked yet the accused have not been given the opportunity to view it. You have a reporter publishing an article where Clarko and Fagen are called child killers and racist yet not given enough time to provide a measured response . You have a media pile on where white reporters are reporting on a situation where they have no idea what First Nations people are and have experienced.

The biggest losers here are the accusers and accused and this is where the focus should be because the AFL have a massive issue here and I'm not talking about Hawthorn, it's AFL wide. While the AFL have slightly improved from the heady days of the 80s where the Krakouer Bros were subjected to the most vile treatment yet the AFL did nothing. The AFL should not only review the Hawthorn situation but it should also review itself.

For what it's worth I don't think Clarko is a racist or advised a player to abort his baby but I also think the players and their wives also have a claim. It may not be as dramatic as first told but sometimes you need to be extreme to get any attention and lets be honest the AFL only give lip service and provde some tokenism to our indigenous people. Time to get fair dinkum AFL and sort this situation out pronto and then turm the blow torch on yourself .
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The meetings happened, the discussions happened, it is now a matter of what was said or more likely how it was said and how it was taken.
 

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Coaches pushed to give evidence under oath or risk PR disaster​


Scott Gullan

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are being pushed to give evidence under oath and be cross-examined in order to clear their names.

The legal team representing the First Nations players at the centre of the explosive Hawthorn report want this requirement if they are to take part in any further investigation.

Brisbane and North Melbourne are currently in limbo with Fagan and Clarkson, who was scheduled to start as the new Roos boss on November 1, both standing down and taking a leave of absence.

The latest legal manoeuvre clearly backs Clarkson and Fagan into a corner as it would be a PR disaster should the AFL coaches refuse to go on the record and be subject to legal questioning.

If they agree the two parties can conduct a private inquiry hearing, most likely in front of a nominated Kings Counsel or panel, which follows the rules of engagement with documents of evidence and witness lists.

Legal experts believe this is the quickest way to decide the matter with a result potentially by Christmas.

The AFL is yet to name its four-person panel that will oversee their proposed external investigation into the harrowing and disturbing claims of the Hawthorn players.

The report, which has been obtained by the Herald Sun, details a number of first-hand accounts from 17 past and present players and staff members.

Renowned troubleshooting lawyer Leon Zwier, who acted for Collingwood on the Do Better report, has been hired by the four First Nations families at the centre of the racism scandal.

Four-time premiership coach Clarkson has engaged King’s Counsel and former County Court judge Julie Condon and John Tuck and Paul Burns from Corrs Chambers Westgarth as his legal representatives.

Earlier in the week Fagan enlisted the help of Clayton Utz lawyers and barristers Liam Kelly KC and David Turner to act on his behalf and released a second statement again protesting his innocence.

On Wednesday Clarkson released a statement saying “in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible” that he vehemently denies the allegations of abuse, racial vilification and bullying.

He expressed his concerns surrounding a “fair process” and warned “I will not hesitate to take further steps to protect my position and reputation should that be necessary”.

“Since learning of the allegations first reported in the media last Wednesday, I have been shocked and deeply distressed,” Clarkson said.

“It remains profoundly disappointing that these matters are now being widely canvassed in the public domain without the opportunity being given to me or others to give our accounts or even read the Hawthorn report, which to this day I have not seen.

“The further recent publication of purported extracts from the report means I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted.

“The failure to maintain the confidentiality of the review and further damaging public speculation means I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”

North Melbourne is preparing for Leigh Adams, who was interim coach after the sacking of David Noble, to take care of pre-season training when it kicks off in November.

Clarkson has already put good friend Todd Viney in as football boss at Arden St while assistant coaches John Blakey, Jordan Russell and Gavin Brown (development) have been retained for this season.

Brisbane is likely to turn to former Hawthorn assistant Cameron Bruce, who joined the Lions this year, to be in charge of the early summer training phase.
 
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giantroo said:

Coaches pushed to give evidence under oath or risk PR disaster​


Scott Gullan

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are being pushed to give evidence under oath and be cross-examined in order to clear their names.

The legal team representing the First Nations players at the centre of the explosive Hawthorn report want this requirement if they are to take part in any further investigation.

Brisbane and North Melbourne are currently in limbo with Fagan and Clarkson, who was scheduled to start as the new Roos boss on November 1, both standing down and taking a leave of absence.

The latest legal manoeuvre clearly backs Clarkson and Fagan into a corner as it would be a PR disaster should the AFL coaches refuse to go on the record and be subject to legal questioning.

If they agree the two parties can conduct a private inquiry hearing, most likely in front of a nominated Kings Counsel or panel, which follows the rules of engagement with documents of evidence and witness lists.

Legal experts believe this is the quickest way to decide the matter with a result potentially by Christmas.

The AFL is yet to name its four-person panel that will oversee their proposed external investigation into the harrowing and disturbing claims of the Hawthorn players.

The report, which has been obtained by the Herald Sun, details a number of first-hand accounts from 17 past and present players and staff members.

Renowned troubleshooting lawyer Leon Zwier, who acted for Collingwood on the Do Better report, has been hired by the four First Nations families at the centre of the racism scandal.

Four-time premiership coach Clarkson has engaged King’s Counsel and former County Court judge Julie Condon and John Tuck and Paul Burns from Corrs Chambers Westgarth as his legal representatives.

Earlier in the week Fagan enlisted the help of Clayton Utz lawyers and barristers Liam Kelly KC and David Turner to act on his behalf and released a second statement again protesting his innocence.

On Wednesday Clarkson released a statement saying “in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible” that he vehemently denies the allegations of abuse, racial vilification and bullying.

He expressed his concerns surrounding a “fair process” and warned “I will not hesitate to take further steps to protect my position and reputation should that be necessary”.

“Since learning of the allegations first reported in the media last Wednesday, I have been shocked and deeply distressed,” Clarkson said.

“It remains profoundly disappointing that these matters are now being widely canvassed in the public domain without the opportunity being given to me or others to give our accounts or even read the Hawthorn report, which to this day I have not seen.

“The further recent publication of purported extracts from the report means I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted.

“The failure to maintain the confidentiality of the review and further damaging public speculation means I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”

North Melbourne is preparing for Leigh Adams, who was interim coach after the sacking of David Noble, to take care of pre-season training when it kicks off in November.

Clarkson has already put good friend Todd Viney in as football boss at Arden St while assistant coaches John Blakey, Jordan Russell and Gavin Brown (development) have been retained for this season.

Brisbane is likely to turn to former Hawthorn assistant Cameron Bruce, who joined the Lions this year, to be in charge of the early summer training phase.
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As long as those making the allegations are subject to being cross examined under oath I don’t see an issue.

If they don’t Clarko and Fagan should tell them to GAGF.
 
giantroo said:

Coaches pushed to give evidence under oath or risk PR disaster​


Scott Gullan

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are being pushed to give evidence under oath and be cross-examined in order to clear their names.

The legal team representing the First Nations players at the centre of the explosive Hawthorn report want this requirement if they are to take part in any further investigation.

Brisbane and North Melbourne are currently in limbo with Fagan and Clarkson, who was scheduled to start as the new Roos boss on November 1, both standing down and taking a leave of absence.

The latest legal manoeuvre clearly backs Clarkson and Fagan into a corner as it would be a PR disaster should the AFL coaches refuse to go on the record and be subject to legal questioning.

If they agree the two parties can conduct a private inquiry hearing, most likely in front of a nominated Kings Counsel or panel, which follows the rules of engagement with documents of evidence and witness lists.

Legal experts believe this is the quickest way to decide the matter with a result potentially by Christmas.

The AFL is yet to name its four-person panel that will oversee their proposed external investigation into the harrowing and disturbing claims of the Hawthorn players.

The report, which has been obtained by the Herald Sun, details a number of first-hand accounts from 17 past and present players and staff members.

Renowned troubleshooting lawyer Leon Zwier, who acted for Collingwood on the Do Better report, has been hired by the four First Nations families at the centre of the racism scandal.

Four-time premiership coach Clarkson has engaged King’s Counsel and former County Court judge Julie Condon and John Tuck and Paul Burns from Corrs Chambers Westgarth as his legal representatives.

Earlier in the week Fagan enlisted the help of Clayton Utz lawyers and barristers Liam Kelly KC and David Turner to act on his behalf and released a second statement again protesting his innocence.

On Wednesday Clarkson released a statement saying “in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible” that he vehemently denies the allegations of abuse, racial vilification and bullying.

He expressed his concerns surrounding a “fair process” and warned “I will not hesitate to take further steps to protect my position and reputation should that be necessary”.

“Since learning of the allegations first reported in the media last Wednesday, I have been shocked and deeply distressed,” Clarkson said.

“It remains profoundly disappointing that these matters are now being widely canvassed in the public domain without the opportunity being given to me or others to give our accounts or even read the Hawthorn report, which to this day I have not seen.

“The further recent publication of purported extracts from the report means I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted.

“The failure to maintain the confidentiality of the review and further damaging public speculation means I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”

North Melbourne is preparing for Leigh Adams, who was interim coach after the sacking of David Noble, to take care of pre-season training when it kicks off in November.

Clarkson has already put good friend Todd Viney in as football boss at Arden St while assistant coaches John Blakey, Jordan Russell and Gavin Brown (development) have been retained for this season.

Brisbane is likely to turn to former Hawthorn assistant Cameron Bruce, who joined the Lions this year, to be in charge of the early summer training phase.
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The allegations need to be tested not the other way around - but gee this trial by media is straight out of a playbook I would think

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Le Grille said:
The media have pontificated on what ifs and predictions when they should be urging the investigation to be performed with the utmost care.
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If you look at the main board, it's a good example of seeing what the average punter is interested in reading. While the average post is understandable, I suspect a lot of it is motivated by standard footy tribalism.

Shows that both media and the general public for the most part aren't interested in seeing the future ramifications out of this.

Did the media ever question what the AFL were doing for player's mental health after the lockdowns and hubs?

Essendon after the drug saga?

Media don't care so the AFL won't.

I'll still follow North no matter what. Even if we lose Clarko or god forbid get a third consecutive spoon next year.

But the AFL, the footy media, and the general footy public are a toxic, tiresome mix of bullshit.

If it wasn't for North I would have given the game away 20 years ago.
 
giantroo said:

Coaches pushed to give evidence under oath or risk PR disaster​


Scott Gullan

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are being pushed to give evidence under oath and be cross-examined in order to clear their names.

The legal team representing the First Nations players at the centre of the explosive Hawthorn report want this requirement if they are to take part in any further investigation.

Brisbane and North Melbourne are currently in limbo with Fagan and Clarkson, who was scheduled to start as the new Roos boss on November 1, both standing down and taking a leave of absence.

The latest legal manoeuvre clearly backs Clarkson and Fagan into a corner as it would be a PR disaster should the AFL coaches refuse to go on the record and be subject to legal questioning.

If they agree the two parties can conduct a private inquiry hearing, most likely in front of a nominated Kings Counsel or panel, which follows the rules of engagement with documents of evidence and witness lists.

Legal experts believe this is the quickest way to decide the matter with a result potentially by Christmas.

The AFL is yet to name its four-person panel that will oversee their proposed external investigation into the harrowing and disturbing claims of the Hawthorn players.

The report, which has been obtained by the Herald Sun, details a number of first-hand accounts from 17 past and present players and staff members.

Renowned troubleshooting lawyer Leon Zwier, who acted for Collingwood on the Do Better report, has been hired by the four First Nations families at the centre of the racism scandal.

Four-time premiership coach Clarkson has engaged King’s Counsel and former County Court judge Julie Condon and John Tuck and Paul Burns from Corrs Chambers Westgarth as his legal representatives.

Earlier in the week Fagan enlisted the help of Clayton Utz lawyers and barristers Liam Kelly KC and David Turner to act on his behalf and released a second statement again protesting his innocence.

On Wednesday Clarkson released a statement saying “in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible” that he vehemently denies the allegations of abuse, racial vilification and bullying.

He expressed his concerns surrounding a “fair process” and warned “I will not hesitate to take further steps to protect my position and reputation should that be necessary”.

“Since learning of the allegations first reported in the media last Wednesday, I have been shocked and deeply distressed,” Clarkson said.

“It remains profoundly disappointing that these matters are now being widely canvassed in the public domain without the opportunity being given to me or others to give our accounts or even read the Hawthorn report, which to this day I have not seen.

“The further recent publication of purported extracts from the report means I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted.

“The failure to maintain the confidentiality of the review and further damaging public speculation means I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”

North Melbourne is preparing for Leigh Adams, who was interim coach after the sacking of David Noble, to take care of pre-season training when it kicks off in November.

Clarkson has already put good friend Todd Viney in as football boss at Arden St while assistant coaches John Blakey, Jordan Russell and Gavin Brown (development) have been retained for this season.

Brisbane is likely to turn to former Hawthorn assistant Cameron Bruce, who joined the Lions this year, to be in charge of the early summer training phase.
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So here’s the thing Scott Gullan, legal genius - if the accused are going to be cross examined, so are the alleged victims. I bet - not
 
blackshadow said:
As long as those making the allegations are subject to being cross examined under oath I don’t see an issue.

If they don’t Clarko and Fagan should tell them to GAGF.
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This. I assume Fagan and Clarko would jump at the opportunity if this was the case.

Just another article implying that Fagan and Clarkson are in trouble..."backs Fagan and Clarkson into a corner"

The reality is they started in the corner when the article was released and this would give them an opportunity to step away from it.
 
Not doing this again and don't make me tap the sign
 
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Coaches pushed to give evidence under oath or risk PR disaster​


Scott Gullan

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are being pushed to give evidence under oath and be cross-examined in order to clear their names.

The legal team representing the First Nations players at the centre of the explosive Hawthorn report want this requirement if they are to take part in any further investigation.

Brisbane and North Melbourne are currently in limbo with Fagan and Clarkson, who was scheduled to start as the new Roos boss on November 1, both standing down and taking a leave of absence.

The latest legal manoeuvre clearly backs Clarkson and Fagan into a corner as it would be a PR disaster should the AFL coaches refuse to go on the record and be subject to legal questioning.

If they agree the two parties can conduct a private inquiry hearing, most likely in front of a nominated Kings Counsel or panel, which follows the rules of engagement with documents of evidence and witness lists.

Legal experts believe this is the quickest way to decide the matter with a result potentially by Christmas.

The AFL is yet to name its four-person panel that will oversee their proposed external investigation into the harrowing and disturbing claims of the Hawthorn players.

The report, which has been obtained by the Herald Sun, details a number of first-hand accounts from 17 past and present players and staff members.

Renowned troubleshooting lawyer Leon Zwier, who acted for Collingwood on the Do Better report, has been hired by the four First Nations families at the centre of the racism scandal.

Four-time premiership coach Clarkson has engaged King’s Counsel and former County Court judge Julie Condon and John Tuck and Paul Burns from Corrs Chambers Westgarth as his legal representatives.

Earlier in the week Fagan enlisted the help of Clayton Utz lawyers and barristers Liam Kelly KC and David Turner to act on his behalf and released a second statement again protesting his innocence.

On Wednesday Clarkson released a statement saying “in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible” that he vehemently denies the allegations of abuse, racial vilification and bullying.

He expressed his concerns surrounding a “fair process” and warned “I will not hesitate to take further steps to protect my position and reputation should that be necessary”.

“Since learning of the allegations first reported in the media last Wednesday, I have been shocked and deeply distressed,” Clarkson said.

“It remains profoundly disappointing that these matters are now being widely canvassed in the public domain without the opportunity being given to me or others to give our accounts or even read the Hawthorn report, which to this day I have not seen.

“The further recent publication of purported extracts from the report means I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted.

“The failure to maintain the confidentiality of the review and further damaging public speculation means I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”

North Melbourne is preparing for Leigh Adams, who was interim coach after the sacking of David Noble, to take care of pre-season training when it kicks off in November.

Clarkson has already put good friend Todd Viney in as football boss at Arden St while assistant coaches John Blakey, Jordan Russell and Gavin Brown (development) have been retained for this season.

Brisbane is likely to turn to former Hawthorn assistant Cameron Bruce, who joined the Lions this year, to be in charge of the early summer training phase.
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What a crock of shit
 
travelli said:
They should let the men coach and then do an AFL wide independent review of the the experiences of all first nations players at all clubs over the last 20 years. Give them 6 months to do it properly.
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Implement indigenous support officers to all clubs under the AFL payroll (no soft cap implication), additional indigenous supports put in place with Brisbane, North and Hawthorn at the cost of Hawthorn until the investigation process is complete. Afl promote whistle blower process throughout the industry which is already in place and should have been used to knock these issues on the head.
 
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