Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[kangasforever]

Then I'd call him a stupid ******* liar. But what's your point?

I'm pretty sure you can see the point and I don't think you would call him liar because you would branded a racist.

 

[Mav]

I'm pretty sure you can see the point and I don't think you would call him liar because you would branded a racist.

Nope, can't see your point. And considering I know exactly what has gone on I'm in a position to know if he is lying or not.

 

[Del191229]

So, what is the alternative? And I'm not baiting here. Not drafting those players in the first place? Scrapping rookie wages? Or sharing the love regardless of whether you played a single AFL game? i.e., spent 3 years as a rookie all the while the AFL is proud as punch when it announces a new 670 million rights deal, but we send guys home poorer than when they arrived.

Should there be payments outside of the cap? So, TAO spent 3 years on a rookie contract is an absolute shitmen was never getting a game. Earnt f/all, but under the equality ruling will get 55-80k per yr of service. So 3x55k for me.

It really wouldn't be difficult to do that.


*In my job I can hit the piss mid-week, no one questions my fitness, can call in sick, eat whatever shite I feel like. Jump on BF and besmirch much better players than I ever was.

A good life really.


* I am not in any way suggesting those footballers in question did any of this as I honestly have NFI.

I just feel they put in the effort and sacrifice and got nothing out of it, that is all. And I reckon had they been rewarded we wouldn't be in this pickle.

I was speaking to old mate years ago and the name Gordon Narrier came up, we bought him over from WA for 12 months, at the time old mate said we will churn rookies mining for gold as they cost nothing.


Looking back is that a healthy attitude?

I think not

Totally agree, and it's already happened. Nobody uses rookie spots on those indigenous kids anymore.

Nobody is looking for the next Liam Jurrah.

 

[Del191229]

I think Stengles opinion here is the one that counts. I'm guessing, but I don't think he would think Geelong getting him around Uncle Eddie would be a bad thing. And given he chose Geelong over a number of other suitors, including North, is important

Thr blokes in the AFL investigation thought they were going to be Tyson Stenglr when they headed to Hawthorn too.

The point is it is all fine if it works. As I said, if it didn't, Geelong would have cut him and not given a rats arse what happened next.

 

[Del191229]

yep, suggesting support is "control" is just blatant stupidity.

That's literally what most of the AFL investigation happening right now is about.

Way to miss my point in your effort to name drop thst you're a big wheel down at the WWT cracker factory.

 

[Del191229]

This is really a good point to call out. OK, the facts are sketchy at the moment but it is very possible that support for the players aimed at helping them achieve their goal to become successful AFL players in a team that was rising and even contending could easily be seen as excessive levels of control in hindsight, especially if the players didn't make the grade.

Collateral damage.

Player wins a flag and things are painted differently. I am betting that a lot of players from all backgrounds have been told to dump their mates who are negative influences, get in with the boys from their team or from their draft year, close their circle of friends and focus on the few years they have to make it at the top level if they want success.

This. None of the Hawthorn folks ever made it big, let alone a flag.

 

[Del191229]

And right and cue. Flag secured, supports moved away. It'll be fascinating to see what happens with Stengle now.

I hope he stays on the straight and narrow.

 

[the flying ham]

And right and cue. Flag secured, supports moved away. It'll be fascinating to see what happens with Stengle now.

I hope he stays on the straight and narrow

Almost as if Eddie enjoyed his mentoring role with Tyson and is transitioning into larger more full time capacity, as opposed to 'flag secured, bye eddie.'

 

[ferball]

Almost as if Eddie enjoyed his mentoring role with Tyson and is transitioning into larger more full time capacity, as opposed to 'flag secured, bye eddie.'

That depends on what Geelong do to replace him in that role.

 

[the big lebowski]

I find it amazing nothing has leaked yet

 

[JGreezy]

Errr..... Coke comes in bottles and cans Merl. Not sure what you mean by "bag". Maybe it's just the generation gap.

It comes in a bag in Thailand

 

[Del191229]

That depends on what Geelong do to replace him in that role.

Exactly.

 

[JGreezy]

I don't think the Stengle story is a big 'gotcha' moment.

 

[andana]

It comes in a bag in Thailand
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Everything comes in at least one bag in Thailand. Usually a few bags for one item.

 

[ferball]

I don't think the Stengle story is a big 'gotcha' moment.

That depends what happens with him.

 

[Devington]

That depends what happens with him.

The parallels are certainly there, which is the entire point of the discussion. Hopefully the wheels don't fall off for him, but if they did then a hostile description of his treatment by Geelong could read extremely similar to the type of things recounted in the Hawthorn Report and ABC article.

I'll be honest, the praising of his turnaround and the care given by Geelong does make me feel a little uneasy. Less because I think they have done something wrong, and more because I don't see any journalists asking pointed questions, which (merited or not) I expected to see due to the fallout of the last few months. Does winning really make everything OK? Are journalists gunshy because of Jackson's ****ups? Are the circumstances really that far removed from those described around Clarkson and Hawthorn? Maybe it's distasteful to say, it certainly feels kind of awkward, but how much of it is because Betts was involved, does that give it some type of tick of approval which makes it beyond reproach, and is that a good thing?

Like I said, I just feel a bit uneasy about it. I'm worried we're halfway down the road of no real lessons being learnt (other than to keep more paper trails than ever before) because this turned into very specific dispute over 3 families (thanks Jackson) rather than about welfare practises in general.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I think the bigger story is that a grown adult needs constant supervision to stay out of trouble.

 

[Mav]

That's literally what most of the AFL investigation happening right now is about.

Way to miss my point in your effort to name drop thst you're a big wheel down at the WWT cracker factory.

Didn’t miss the point at all. It’s as blunt as a bowling ball. And stoopid as ****.

 

[Liam Boy]

 

[My Left Foote]

And right and cue. Flag secured, supports moved away. It'll be fascinating to see what happens with Stengle now.

I hope he stays on the straight and narrow.

Geelong get an end of first round draft pick next year as compensation for Eddie leaving.

 

[ferball]

The parallels are certainly there, which is the entire point of the discussion. Hopefully the wheels don't fall off for him, but if they did then a hostile description of his treatment by Geelong could read extremely similar to the type of things recounted in the Hawthorn Report and ABC article.

I'll be honest, the praising of his turnaround and the care given by Geelong does make me feel a little uneasy. Less because I think they have done something wrong, and more because I don't see any journalists asking pointed questions, which (merited or not) I expected to see due to the fallout of the last few months. Does winning really make everything OK? Are journalists gunshy because of Jackson's *ups? Are the circumstances really that far removed from those described around Clarkson and Hawthorn? Maybe it's distasteful to say, it certainly feels kind of awkward, but how much of it is because Betts was involved, does that give it some type of tick of approval which makes it beyond reproach, and is that a good thing?

Like I said, I just feel a bit uneasy about it. I'm worried we're halfway down the road of no real lessons being learnt (other than to keep more paper trails than ever before) because this turned into very specific dispute over 3 families (thanks Jackson) rather than about welfare practises in general.

I dunno if Betts is his relo or not. That would change it all significantly.

BUt even if it isn't ... it could be a sign that things are changing and people are learning. Betts involved means cultural issues are being taken seriously at Geelong (provided they provide follow up support for Stengle and other young blackfellas who play there.) Betts reckons he had his challenges as a young man, probably used that experience at Geelong. Hopefully Betts and Stengle have a strong relationship that Stengle can rely on if he needs help whatever Geelong do.

 

[Del191229]

Didn’t miss the point at all. It’s as blunt as a bowling ball. And stoopid as *.

After your JHF private school fail, forgive me if I don't invest much in your claims to knowing the "real story" about Stengle.

 

[Del191229]

I dunno if Betts is his relo or not. That would change it all significantly.

BUt even if it isn't ... it could be a sign that things are changing and people are learning. Betts involved means cultural issues are being taken seriously at Geelong (provided they provide follow up support for Stengle and other young blackfellas who play there.) Betts reckons he had his challenges as a young man, probably used that experience at Geelong. Hopefully Betts and Stengle have a strong relationship that Stengle can rely on if he needs help whatever Geelong do.

Betts is his cousin.

 

[kangasforever]

I'm pretty sure you can see the point and I don't think you would call him liar because you would branded a racist.

Ahh, I see. Your one of those, "I know people". Got it, but my experience of over 50 years is that most people who claim that they are in the know, very rarely are. You might be the exception.

 

[roos 10]

Ahh, I see. Your one of those, "I know people". Got it, but my experience of over 50 years is that most people who claim that they are in the know, very rarely are. You might be the exception.

Any updates on the investigation