Coach Alastair Clarkson - NMFC Senior Coach - Coaching & Football Discussion

[Spud11]

How many years is he signed for?

3 to go.

 

[bennymate]

Even if he ain't it, we can't afford to sack him, we've had too much instability in this space. It would not make sense for the playing group, the silver lining with Clarko is stability no matter much he is cooked.

 

[Kanga Glory]

If the cattle is no good don't jump at the coach

 

[Moti]

If the cattle is no good don't jump at the coach

Cattle bad, coaching bad.

 

[Roosurgence]

Time for nice Clarko to be put on ice.

These campaigners need to be told what’s what and have the shit flogged out of them.

 

[Kanga1996]

I knew we were in trouble when he aloud Jy & McDonald to remain co-captains..


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[Roosurgence]

Seemed very happy with getting Viney an extra year at Melbourne this week.

Maybe worry about your own backyard which is a ****ing dogs breakfast, rather than getting a mate’s son some extra coin.

 

[justroyal]

Seemed very happy with getting Viney an extra year at Melbourne this week.

Maybe worry about your own backyard which is a ****ing dogs breakfast, rather than getting a mate’s son some extra coin.

Yeah and the sad thing about it, it was all a bit of charade to get him that deal after all.

 

[Ardent Roo]

I knew we were in trouble when he aloud Jy & McDonald to remain co-captains..


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No, the problem was that he let the players choose and that's who they chose. The same players who have dished up crap for the last 4yrs.

 

[Ry009]

No idea why he was saying a couple of weeks ago that we were going to play the year out.

 

[justroyal]

No, the problem was that he let the players choose and that's who they chose. The same players who have dished up crap for the last 4yrs.

Yeah I reckon I could go into the club everyday. Give out some high fives. Like a few posts. Ruffle some hair. And these dumb campaigners would even vote me in as vice captain

 

[Billy Not Really]

Okay, we fire Clarkson. Now what? Now ****ing what?

Scott, Shaw, Noble, Ratten, Clarkson. And a host of assistance coaches that came and went with it.

Tell me please, who has the answers to solve the North problem if inexperienced & experienced coaches can’t.

Be careful for what you’re wishing for here this early. Even if it meant a flag, you might just sell the club’s soul in the process. Nobody remembers the Bucks post championship era, or how bad management and coaches destroyed the 76ers or the Cubs post 2016 or how quickly the Eagles fell off a cliff after pinching a flag. This is a sports tale as old as time, I want sustained success not a Hail Mary.

 

[gokangas]

It's the cattle, not the cowboy.

Good cowboys get more out of their cattle. Our cattle have gone backwards.

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

Would it be crazy to ask him to take over as CEO rather than head coach? Gut feel is he would have got us a shorts sponsor. He is still well regarded enough for that role. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the players and the strategy on-field strategy plans for 2025.

 

[bennymate]

Good cowboys get more out of their cattle. Our cattle have gone backwards.

Well, the cattle that matter certainly haven't, we've actually had a lot of players improve this year, but I credit Barlow for that.

 

[Spud11]

Clarko apparently needs adversity and disagreeable people around him. People who will doubt or challenge him.

Now, I’m not sure to what extent he had that at Hawthorn but he at least had input from others and a president who didn’t rate him to spur him on.

We’ve given him the keys to the city and we’ve said “fix it, all of your ideas will work, oh messiah”. And it seems that maybe his ideas are either outdated, or they were never all that good/someone else’s ideas as much as his.

I also had to worry when he said Wardlaw sparked his interest in the game again. What, the $5 million dollars you’re being paid isn’t enough?

Remember before he was appointed, I think it was Hodge (or Lewis) kind of alluded to the fact that Clarkson would need good people around him. It was like “he’ll be fine, BUT with a disclaimer”.

I’m not sure his heart is in it.
I’m not sure his head is in it.
I don’t think giving him the keys is working.

I like him.
But..

 

[Jake98]

Not to blame everything on Clarkson, but I think your club's administration made a really poor decision signing him up to a 5 year big money contract. It's like they thought he was a magician and guaranteed fix-all solution, and that he had to be appointed as the new coach by any means necessary. While he did an excellent job with Hawthorn, he is not superhuman, nor is he some kind of football supergenius. His ideas and philosophies worked for Hawthorn between 2004-2015 before taking a turn for the worse in the later years.

North Melbourne in 2023 is a completely different proposition at a completely different time. It's already starting to feel like things just aren't working, but your board made a 5-year commitment. The club can't really pull out until his expensive contract is up in three years.

Even if he could be sacked, I wouldn't say it's the correct decision right now, but significant changes are needed. The question then becomes whether or not Clarkson himself would be receptive to any changes in his philosophies or coaching methods. Some coaches can be stubborn, and his later years at Hawthorn were a textbook example of refusing to change when things weren't working.

 

[justroyal]

Not to blame everything on Clarkson, but I think your club's administration made a really poor decision signing him up to a 5 year big money contract It's like they thought he was a magician and guaranteed fix-all solution, and that he had to be appointed as the new coach by any means necessary. While he did an excellent coach with Hawthorn, he is not superhuman, nor is he some kind of football supergenius. His ideas and philosophies worked for Hawthorn between 2004-2015 before taking a turn for the worse in the later years.

North Melbourne in 2023 is a completely different proposition at a completely different time. It's already starting to feel like things just aren't working, but the North Melbourne board made a 5-year commitment. The club can't really pull out until his expensive contract is up in three years.

Even if he could be sacked, I wouldn't say it's the correct decision right now, but significant changes are needed. The question then becomes whether or not Clarkson himself would be receptive to any changes in his philosophies or coaching methods; some coaches can be stubborn, and his later years at Hawthorn were a textbook example of refusing to change when things weren't working.

I don’t know. I always frame it by saying how would he have faired if he took the gws or * job instead?
With all the pieces in check.

The way these guys played shows this is a before Clarkson problem.
But it’s how Clarkson goes about educating these dumb campaigners will be the interesting approach. Scott sure couldn’t do it.

 

[Spud11]

Not to blame everything on Clarkson, but I think your club's administration made a really poor decision signing him up to a 5 year big money contract It's like they thought he was a magician and guaranteed fix-all solution, and that he had to be appointed as the new coach by any means necessary. While he did an excellent coach with Hawthorn, he is not superhuman, nor is he some kind of football supergenius. His ideas and philosophies worked for Hawthorn between 2004-2015 before taking a turn for the worse in the later years.

North Melbourne in 2023 is a completely different proposition at a completely different time. It's already starting to feel like things just aren't working, but the North Melbourne board made a 5-year commitment. The club can't really pull out until his expensive contract is up in three years.

Even if he could be sacked, I wouldn't say it's the correct decision right now, but significant changes are needed. The question then becomes whether or not Clarkson himself would be receptive to any changes in his philosophies or coaching methods; some coaches can be stubborn, and his later years at Hawthorn were a textbook example of refusing to change when things weren't working.

Re: north’s progress under clarko.. some cite his first three years where hawks weren’t great as reason to be patient - “he’s rebuilt before”

Whereas others cite his last 4/5 years as reason to be concerned: “he was pretty stubborn and it wasn’t working”.

I’m in the latter camp and hawks under Mitchell seems to support that

 

[Event Horizon]

Sacking is absolutely out of the question. As many have already said, at the very least we need stability right now. I’m just worried if he may just walk away himself after this. It would be very hard to take for him.

I haven’t seen his presser yet


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[Roosurgence]

If Clarkson lets this playing group decide on their leaders again, then shut the joint down.

This playing group hasn’t shown they are capable of making good calls and hasn’t earned that right.

Time to be told what’s what. It’s like putting a 5 year old kid in a lolly store alone and telling them not to eat too much.

One Captain next year and not sure it should be either of McDonald or Simpkin.

 

[Spud11]

If Clarkson lets this playing group decide on their leaders again, then shit the joint down.

This playing group hasn’t shiwn rbey are capable of making good calls and hasn’t earned that right.

Time to be told what’s what. It’s like putting a 5 year old kid in a lolly store alone and telling them not to eat too much.

One Captain next year and not sure it should be either of McDonald or Simpkin.

Not sure it should be either McDonald or Simpkin? Neither of them even belong in the team, let alone be captains. That’s where we’re at.

 

[Jake98]

I don’t know. I always frame it by saying how would he have faired if he took the gws or * job instead?
With all the pieces in check.

The way these guys played shows this is a before Clarkson problem.
But it’s how Clarkson goes about educating these dumb campaigners will be the interesting approach. Scott sure couldn’t do it.

Clarkson clearly isn't the problem, but at the same time you must ask: is he the solution?

Sometimes a new coach with new ideas and a fresh outlook can inspire a struggling squad. Look at Collingwood; horrible side in 2021, then immediately in Premiership contention following the appointment of Craig McRae. Bulldogs in 2015 are another example- 4 straight years of no finals, rock bottom in morale at the end of 2014, nobody giving them any chance of doing anything in 2015. Then they appointed Beveridge, he brought in some new ideas and the squad responded well and finished 6th.

I know North Melbourne have had four different coaches in 5 years and one might think it's impossible for any coach to fix the club... but it could also be that you picked the wrong guy for the job three times. It happens. The problem with Clarkson is that you've committed to him for 5 years on big money, so if it becomes clear it won't work out, it's all the more difficult to initiate meaningful change.

 

[Shinboner roo]

If the cattle is no good don't jump at the coach

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[Kanga Glory]

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