All Australian - 40 man squad on page 89

[ManOfClay]

Look, I'm not saying Minson is an absolute champion.

Read my first post- merely stating that Naitanui is a large portion of hype against actual output.

 

[Spitta09]

Lol Betts there must be a few carlton supporters on that panel.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Is there a more over-rated player in the league than Enright?

Staggering he got selected.

how many current Essendon players have twice won B&F's in Premiership years ??

Oh.

 

[Kirby]

O'Brien's inclusion in 2010 AA was a joke. I know I'm a Richmond supporter, but surely Deledio had that one locked in.
Media loved O'Brien, that was his reputation: a hard, good at it one-on-one defender.
Has been exposed since.

His second half of this year has been back to his best and his 2010 year was pretty damn good.

 

[SSSSSS]

how odd... two people disagreeing over which player from their respective clubs is better.

dont see that much on here.

Cheers for the solid input. I'm not saying Gibson is a better player then Enright, it's hard to go past someone like Enright's credentials but this selection raises the question whether players are chosen on the merit of their season or by multiple seasons. If it is the former then Gibson should definately be in, if it is the latter then Enright gets the nod.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Lol Betts there must be a few carlton supporters on that panel.

reckon Eddie Betts is slightly underrated, has been the only constant in Carlton's forward line for years now and his attack on the contest is generally really good.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Look, I'm not saying Minson is an absolute champion.

Read my first post- merely stating that Naitanui is a large portion of hype against actual output.

Now, I actually agree that Minson's year has been superb.
However, I think this overhyped line is peddled out without thinking.
Naitanui has been recognised in the top 4 ruckmen in the comp this year, and rightly so.
I'd have him ahead of Cox this year as well.
The thing is that you can look at the HO stats but unless you see how Naitanui wins them that is what makes him so important to West Coast.

 

[barmy44]

Cheers for the solid input. I'm not saying Gibson is a better player then Enright, it's hard to go past someone like Enright's credentials but this selection raises the question whether players are chosen on the merit of their season or by multiple seasons. If it is the former then Gibson should definately be in, if it is the latter then Enright gets the nod.

come on, man, ive been contributing to this post all evening...

i was just poking fun at the state of footy supporting - every one invariably views their own clubs players in higher regard, and sees more of them. it is the nature of being a supporter.

i wasnt having a go at you personally.

enright has not, in my own opinion, been consistent enough for AA standard this year. i have said so over and over. i havent seen enough of gibson to judge.

 

[pacman]

Enright is rarely thrashed unlike Gibson v Geelong x 2 (which is all I can go on with first hand knowledge)

Yea Pods kicked 1 on Gibson in game 2 but Rioli kicked 2 and had 18 touches on Enright.
Time to get your head out your arse.
Enright has been a terrific player but this year he's not top 50.

 

[ManOfClay]

I'd have him ahead of Cox this year as well.
The thing is that you can look at the HO stats but unless you see how Naitanui wins them that is what makes him so important to West Coast.

Cox is better than Naitanui. Cox - number one ruckman. Naitanui rucks in spurts, either against guys like Minson who do it without a break or against second-string ruckmen who are all clearly inferior to Naitanui.

On "how Naitanui wins them" - can you clarify what you mean by that?

 

[_DBF_]

Based on the squad of 40:

B: Ted Richards, Darren Glass, Beau Waters
HB: Grant Birchall, Luke McPharlin, Brett Deledio
C: Scott Pendlebury, Trent Cotchin, Patrick Dangerfield
HF: Matthew Pavlich, Lance Franklin, Dane Swan
F: Dayne Beams, Jack Riewoldt, Stephen Milne
Foll: Dean Cox, Gary Ablett (capt.) , Jobe Watson (vice capt.)
Int: Sam Jacobs, Josh Kennedy, Scott Thompson, Sam Mitchell

Tom Hawkins - Very stiff, I would think they would chose the Coleman Medallist and despite missing the amount of games he did, Buddy still deserves a spot. JR8 may be sacrificed if they look for a forward ruck option, Hawkins for Riewoldt, Midfielder for Jacobs.

Nic Naitanui- A definite eye-catcher, but inconsistency is the issue. Plenty of nominations and placings for this talent over the next decade.

Corey Enright- Can someone please explain why he was even named in the squad.

Brent Reilly - Personally haven't seen much of his year, but have seen enough of the like players to know it would be a struggle.

Tom Lonergan- Too many standouts down back this year, with another (Gibson) not even being named. Doubtful.

Harry Taylor- Is in the same boat as Lonergan, won't get a look in behind Glass, Richards and McPharlin.

Joel Selwood- At risk of being mauled by an angry mob of Geelong supporters, culling all nominees, Selwood has had a stellar season, but many others have had better.

Taylor Walker- Behavioural issues (and a horrible mullet) cost him a chance at a medal, star forward, but there are still a few that are a class above.

Drew Petrie- Aside from 3 or 4 consecutive games where he took the competition by storm, has had a relatively modest season.

Ivan Maric- The people's favourite (at Tigerland anyway), The mullet has had the 3rd most hit-outs in the comp and has been more than handy around the ground. However his ruckwork does not match Jacobs, nor does his around-the-ground game impact as much as Cox's.

Keiran Jack - Emerged as one of the competition's star midfielders, but unfortunately but is at the lower end of this evergrowing list.

Lewis Jetta - His lightning pace and goal-kicking abilities can see him tear games apart - stiff to miss, but there is not enough room in the middle and Milne has been the better forward. And we all know how the AA selectors love to put midfielders in pockets and flanks (front and back).*

Cyril Rioli - His lightning pace and goal-kicking abilities can see him tear games apart - stiff to miss, but there is not enough room in the middle and Milne has been the better forward. And we all know how the AA selectors love to put midfielders in pockets and flanks (front and back).*

Eddie Betts - Behind the likes of Milne, Jetta and Rioli, not to mention resting mids.

Andrew Swallow - solid season, in fact very good. However he falls into the same category as J. Selwood and K. Jack - his best isn't quite as good as others

Sean Dempster - Almost a breakout season for Dempster one might think, he'd be a chance off a back-flank, but there far more worthy contenders from higher-placed sides.

Lenny Hayes - Certainly my favourite in this list, evergeen and never gives up, he is the spirit off St. Kilda and a joy to watch. He's a chance for the bench.

Nick Riewoldt - Can't question his committment however there are several power forwards that will get a look in before he will.

* I have done it for a reason

 

[t_bond_legend]

His second half of this year has been back to his best and his 2010 year was pretty damn good.

2010 year was pretty damn good maybe for his standards, but compared to the other nominees for that same position he was undeserving. No matter how one-eyed a supporter you may be, Deledio was on another level compared to O'Brien in every category. Was a lock but somehow, someone playing for Collingwood and the media hype around a guy from Africa making it 'big' in the AFL means that he had an All Australian year.
Nevertheless, it's 2012 and it's not too shabby, probably better than the previous years. I'll reserve judgement until the actual team is named though.

 

[Geddy Lee]

This is bullshit. Where is Brent Moloney, Aaron Davey, Mark Jamar, Colin Sylvia, Brad Green and every other MFC senior player. We've had a fantastic year, get around us.

 

[barmy44]

Based on the squad of 40:

B: Ted Richards, Darren Glass, Beau Waters
HB: Grant Birchall, Luke McPharlin, Brett Deledio
C: Scott Pendlebury, Trent Cotchin, Patrick Dangerfield
HF: Matthew Pavlich, Lance Franklin, Dane Swan
F: Dayne Beams, Jack Riewoldt, Stephen Milne
Foll: Dean Cox, Gary Ablett (capt.) , Jobe Watson (vice capt.)
Int: Sam Jacobs, Josh Kennedy, Scott Thompson, Sam Mitchell

Tom Hawkins - Very stiff, I would think they would chose the Coleman Medallist and despite missing the amount of games he did, Buddy still deserves a spot. JR8 may be sacrificed if they look for a forward ruck option, Hawkins for Riewoldt, Midfielder for Jacobs.

very stiff, especially considering franklin isnt in the squad of 40...

edit - cancel that, i misread the article...

 

[Quinz]

Cox is better than Naitanui. Cox - number one ruckman. Naitanui rucks in spurts, either against guys like Minson who do it without a break or against second-string ruckmen who are all clearly inferior to Naitanui.

On "how Naitanui wins them" - can you clarify what you mean by that?

We have no real number one ruck, they spend almost the same time rucking. But if there was one, NN is our number one ruck. He starts virtually every game and quarter at the centre bounce.

 

[TheBuzz]

There is no way the Coleman medallist is getting picked as a key forward ahead of Pav, Tomahawk, Buddy or DrewP.

 

[Bosk]

By club:

Adelaide: Dangerfield, Reilly, Jacobs, Thompson, Walker
Brisbane:
Carlton: Betts
Collingwood: Beams, Pendlebury, Swan
Essendon: Watson
Fremantle: McPharlin, Pavlich
Geelong: Enright, Hawkins, Lonergan, Taylor, Selwood
GC: Ablett
GWS:
Hawthorn: Birchall, Franklin, Mitchell, Rioli
Melbourne:
North: Swallow, Petrie
Port:
Richmond: Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Riewoldt
St Kilda: Dempster, Hayes, Milne, Other Riewoldt
Sydney: Jack, Jetta, Kennedy, Richards
West Coast: Cox, Glass, Natanui, Waters
Western Bulldogs:

Geelong has the most nominees despite finishing 6th. Lets talk more about chronic AA pro-Geelong bias shall we?


Collingwood finishes top of the ladder: ludicrous number of reps
Geelong finishes top of the ladder: ludicrous number of reps
Hawthorn finishes top of the ladder: 4 players in the 40 man squad.

I know the AFL hates Hawthorn, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. Can't wait till we shove it up all the hates in the finals!

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

Lol Glass.

Taking the piss surely.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Cox is better than Naitanui.

How many West Coast games have you seen this year?

 

[_DBF_]

There is no way the Coleman medallist is getting picked as a key forward ahead of Pav, Tomahawk, Buddy or DrewP.

1. He is not ahead of Pavlich and Franklin he is with them

2. He and Hawkins are on a par, the word "Coleman" may be a point of influence.

3. Drew Petrie, will not come close to the side. Hawkins would be a better ruck/forward option in my opinion.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Geelong has the most nominees despite finishing 6th. Lets talk more about chronic AA pro-Geelong bias shall we?


Collingwood finishes top of the ladder: ludicrous number of reps
Geelong finishes top of the ladder: ludicrous number of reps
Hawthorn finishes top of the ladder: 4 players in the 40 man squad.

I know the AFL hates Hawthorn, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. Can't wait till we shove it up all the hates in the finals!

Geelong will probably only end up with one player in the actual team, so it'll even out.

 

[The 747]

We have no real number one ruck, they spend almost the same time rucking. But if there was one, NN is our number one ruck. He starts virtually every game and quarter at the centre bounce.

That is true but you do that for development and transition reasons.

If you could only pick one of them for a game, Cox would be picked. Currently, that may well change next year.

 

[Bosk]

Yeah I think they have been fair in Geelongs case as well. Enright maybe a bit lucky, but I cant think of anyone who has really missed out.

Way way more than just "fair" in Geelong's case. Frankly the selection panel have a blatant love affair with the Cats and were probably mourning the fact they couldn't slip Scarlett in there one more time.

 

[The 747]

Geelong has the most nominees despite finishing 6th. Lets talk more about chronic AA pro-Geelong bias

I know the AFL hates Hawthorn, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. Can't wait till we shove it up all the hates in the finals!

Like you shoved it up them in 2009,2010,2011?

In the years Geelong and Collingwood had ridiculous amount of reps, they were absolutely dominant in the H&A seasons. Hawthorn were not. But yeah, its all a conspiracy by the AFL. When you play the Eagles what happens with the AFL conspiracy against the Victorian conspiracy?

 

[The 747]

Way way more than just "fair" in Geelong's case. Frankly the selection panel have a blatant love affair with the Cats and were probably mourning the fact they couldn't slip Scarlett in there one more time.

Do you have to ruin what is a good thread with your trolling?