All Elite Wrestling

[Deathly]

1 hour weekly show and 2-4 PPVs a year would be a good starting point.

This will be the approach I reckon. This is the appropriate way for BTE to transition into it a larger product. A lot of past evidence and events regarding promotions to study also - these guys are smart and no doubt they will have the do's and don'ts panned out. Having a massive financial backer also allows them to take this cautious approach and get it right during the early days.

 

[Cleavy]

 

[Nugett]

Disagree with that, I think things have taken a big nose dive even within the last year or two. WWE's sign everyone policy is beginning to really take it's toll. British indie scene might in a world of hurt with the latest restrictions on all NXT contracted talent. I stopped really caring about anything WWE around 15 years ago and starting following everything else, and at the moment is the first time I've felt the American indies are getting a bit thin.

As far as the All Elite Promotion I'm pretty skeptical because I think NXT has positioned themselves pretty well as the WWE alternative, and that's who AEW will compete with. NXT are basically peak ROH but 10 years later with huge production and the ability to hire anybody they want. I also think every single indie company for the last decade plus has been given a leg up by WWE main roster being a largely horrible television show, and when Vince dies a small tweak towards respecting story and character, and not treating their audience like idiots, and to a lesser extent less disgraceful business practices might send less people looking for alternatives. I don't mean to be so cynical but I just don't think wrestling is popular enough to have another rival burger joint compete with McDonalds.

I think the difference might come in the billionaire share person, that can compete financially with WWE.
The only concern for me is if they can’t get a major t.v deal.

With all the talent that is being acquired by WWE, means that a lot of talent won’t be used appropriately, which then means they might be willing to jump ship to another promotion for more opportunity. A.J. is apparently is renegotiating is contract, trying to get a reduced schedule, if them negations fall through and Styles signs with AEW, that would be a great pickup for them, especially if Anderson, Gallows and Prince Devitt followed suit. The Elite vs the original B.C. Would be a great feud. Of other talent not being properly utilised, you have Zack Ryder, Sami Zann, the Revival, cesaro, Booby Roode, Asuka. Just to name a few.

So I’m more half full rather than half empty. Bring on the competition!

 

[Nugett]

What talent has confirmed that they are working for them so far??

What TV deals do they have in place? Not just in the US, but also world wide.

At this stage this promotion is all rumour and innuendo. There's been over a dozen wrestling companies announced and gone through varying levels of success trying to 'challenge' the WWE since WCW closed in 2001, yet none in my opinion have had a lasting effect on the WWE financially or creatively.

What’s creative about WWE?

 

[Nugett]

Honestly sounds pretty exciting, love to see blokes like Balor, Gallows, Anderson etc jump ship

It's all about the TV deal, money and the product, anyone who thinks it couldnt work are delusional just look at Raw this week, I watched the highlights youtube clip and couldnt even get through that.

4 - 90 minute shows a month with a PPV every 2 months

Just thinking the stars they would start with would be

Rhodes
Jericho
Omega
Young Bucks
Briscoe Brothers
Marty Scrull
Nato
Okada
Fifita
Pentagon Jr
Neville

Would probably land people like Punk, Alberto, Barrett.

Money won't be an issue.

I can’t see punk. He is done. They should target A.J. Lee though.

 

[Senor M]

Of other talent not being properly utilised, you have Zack Ryder, Sami Zann, the Revival, cesaro, Booby Roode, Asuka. Just to name a few.

Can you explain to me how you think Sami Zayn is not being 'properly utilised'?

 

[Colonial]

Of other talent not being properly utilised, you have Zack Ryder, Sami Zann, the Revival, cesaro, Booby Roode, Asuka. Just to name a few.

To be fair Sami is injured and was a major heel when it happened.

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[Nugett]

To be fair Sami is injured and was a major heel when it happened.

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Even before that for some one of his talent he was wasn’t really being utilised

 

[Nugett]

Can you explain to me how you think Sami Zayn is not being 'properly utilised'?

Bobby Lashley....

 

[Deathly]

Zayn should of had a similar trajectory to Nakamura after NXT Dallas. Instead he looked to be in serious title contention for a few months before losing everything after. The character he was being written as and the story-lines he had prior to injury were going nowhere. He's become uninteresting filler.

Almas following suit.

 

[Colonial]

Even before that for some one of his talent he was wasn’t really being utilised

He was a major heel though on Smackdown and was growing on RAW.



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[Senor M]

Bobby Lashley....

So you are going to say that one bad feud that lasted a few weeks--- that was mostly bad because Sami Zayn was heavily limited with what he could do in the ring due to his injuries is not being "properly utilised".

Am I understanding that right??

You really think Sami Zayn would leave the WWE because of that when he's just spent the last 7 months at home being paid to recover from a double rotator cuff surgery. Remember the WWE paid for him to sit at home for the same injury only a few years ago too. Why would Sami Zayn leave that level for job security??

 

[Senor M]

Zayn should of had a similar trajectory to Nakamura after NXT Dallas. Instead he looked to be in serious title contention for a few months before losing everything after. The character he was being written as and the story-lines he had prior to injury were going nowhere. He's become uninteresting filler.

Almas following suit.

Sami Zayn was in the MAIN story of Smackdown for the first few months of 2018. He appeared in WWE Championship matches at both the Royal Rumble at Fastlane.

At Wrestlemania Sami Zayn teamed with Kevin Owens to wrestle against Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan (in Bryan's first match back in 3 years!)

How is any of that "going nowhere" and "uninteresting filler"??

 

[TradeDraft]

You honestly think that?
Talented Stars
A TV deal
An owner with allot more money than Vince.



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At the Start it won't. They probably see it as another TNA

 

[Colonial]

At the Start it won't. They probably see it as another TNA

Possible.

Depends with what talent and deals are involved.



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[TradeDraft]

Possible.

Depends with what talent and deals are involved.



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Hopefully they actually Challange the WWE better then TNA Did.

It be best for Business

 

[Deathly]

Sami Zayn was in the MAIN story of Smackdown for the first few months of 2018. He appeared in WWE Championship matches at both the Royal Rumble at Fastlane.

At Wrestlemania Sami Zayn teamed with Kevin Owens to wrestle against Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan (in Bryan's first match back in 3 years!)

How is any of that "going nowhere" and "uninteresting filler"??

What am I reading.

He was apart of a story with KO that ended up achieving and doing nothing for his character. A 2on1 handicap match to make AJ look good and a 6 man match isn't doing anything for his own character or success. Hardly meritable championship opportunities. Going nowhere.

Also since when was losing to Shane McMahon and a returning DB an achievement, am I missing something?

He's been on the main brand for over two years. He's had no title run despite being very capable, that's all that matters. Everything else has been irrelevant and he's now become uninteresting. The last thing he was doing after his entire tenure was trying to make Lashley look good for gods sake. He's a filler performer to Vince, fact.

 

[Deathly]

So you are going to say that one bad feud that lasted a few weeks--- that was mostly bad because Sami Zayn was heavily limited with what he could do in the ring due to his injuries is not being "properly utilised".

Amazing that you think the in-ring performance of that story-line was crucial to it being good or bad.

 

[Deathly]

Hopefully they actually Challange the WWE better then TNA Did.

It be best for Business

I don't think trying to challenge or compete with the WWE is the idea of AEW, I doubt the people involved are thinking like that. The one thing that AEW will do better than TNA is have a bigger lure for actual talent, not washed up / fired superstars from WWE.

 

[Cleavy]

can't wait for all those 3 star Cody main events.

 

[Senor M]

What am I reading.

He was apart of a story with KO that ended up achieving and doing nothing for his character. A 2on1 handicap match to make AJ look good and a 6 man match isn't doing anything for his own character or success. Hardly meritable championship opportunities. Going nowhere.

Also since when was losing to Shane McMahon and a returning DB an achievement, am I missing something?

He's been on the main brand for over two years. He's had no title run despite being very capable, that's all that matters. Everything else has been irrelevant and he's now become uninteresting. The last thing he was doing after his entire tenure was trying to make Lashley look good for gods sake. He's a filler performer to Vince, fact.

So just because Sami Zayn hasn't won a title he is "going nowhere" and is "uninteresting filler"??

Zayn is anything but a "filler performer" as evidenced by the matches we've previously discussed and other reasons. In three years on the main roster he's done the following:

• Debut match Vs John Cena (which only wasn't capitalised on due to injury)
• A surprise return in the Royal Rumble the following year to attack Kevin Owens
• An NXT Takeover: Dallas match Vs. Shinsuke Nakamura on the same weekend he was making his main roster PPV debut at Wrestlemania 32.
• A classic feud against Kevin Owens
• A storyline alongside Mick Foley against Braun Strowman to develop him further as an 'underdog'
• Lasted 47 Minutes in the 2017 Royal Rumble before being eliminated by The Undertaker
• When his babyface character needing 'refreshing' he turned heel against Shane McMahon aligning with Kevin Owens.
• Multiple WWE Championship matches on Smackdown & PPV
• A Wrestlemania match against Daniel Bryan & Shane McMahon that was HYPED as F*ck considering it was Bryan's first match in years and the best developed storyline on the Smackdown brand.

Sami Zayn's character development turning heel was great this time last year-- did you watch Smackdown weekly at the time?? IMO Zayn's had some of the best character development of anyone on the main roster in the past few years.

Amazing that you think the in-ring performance of that story-line was crucial to it being good or bad.

The Sami Zayn/Bobby Lashley feud was massively hindered by Sami Zayn being injured. In the weeks leading up to Money In the Bank Sami couldn't wrestle--- thus why they used the promo segments where Zayn questioned Lashley's military service and his family. Those horrible segments would never have happened if Zayn was able to mix it up in the ring on a weekly basis.

Zayn literally got to Money In the Bank-- participated in a short match to get Lashley over (Because yes, Lashley was being built up) and then went and got double shoulder surgery.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Also since when was losing to Shane McMahon and a returning DB an achievement, am I missing something?

Master M still buys into it when the commentators bark "WRESTLEMANIA MOMENT!" "SUMMERSLAM MOMENT!" "OH WHAT A SMACKDOWN LIVE MOMENT TONIGHT CORY!". As if recalling something is the same as it being worth remembering.

 

[Senor M]

Master M still buys into it when the commentators bark "WRESTLEMANIA MOMENT!" "SUMMERSLAM MOMENT!" "OH WHAT A SMACKDOWN LIVE MOMENT TONIGHT CORY!". As if recalling something is the same as it being worth remembering.

I believe that the Daniel Bryan & Shane McMahon Vs. Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn match was the most 'fun' I've had watching wrestling this year.

If we got back a year or two ago you wouldn't be able to find a wrestling fan that didn't want to see Daniel Bryan wrestle again and when he did it was attached to a storyline that was built up over a number of months, made sense and had an enjoyable pay-off.

But I guess I just comment on the wrestling I actually watch-- unlike some posters around here

 

[Nugett]

What am I reading.

He was apart of a story with KO that ended up achieving and doing nothing for his character. A 2on1 handicap match to make AJ look good and a 6 man match isn't doing anything for his own character or success. Hardly meritable championship opportunities. Going nowhere.

Also since when was losing to Shane McMahon and a returning DB an achievement, am I missing something?

He's been on the main brand for over two years. He's had no title run despite being very capable, that's all that matters. Everything else has been irrelevant and he's now become uninteresting. The last thing he was doing after his entire tenure was trying to make Lashley look good for gods sake. He's a filler performer to Vince, fact.

Amazing that you think the in-ring performance of that story-line was crucial to it being good or bad.

Couldn’t say it better myself.

 

[cheesedogg]

Don't we have a stand alone Sami Zayn thread around here?