That is an outstanding suggestion. They should include it in the letters to their members & as a disclaimer in every article that's writtent about/referencing Collingwood in the Herald-Sun.
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That is an outstanding suggestion. They should include it in the letters to their members & as a disclaimer in every article that's writtent about/referencing Collingwood in the Herald-Sun.
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Wow, it's going to be a bitch to try and get one of the 4 17 year old picks off GWS, you aren't even guaranteed a particular player.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=117004
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=117004
Looks like GWS will milk this for all that it's worth, I can see some "dumb" clubs over paying for a 17 year old kid, I just hope we aren't one of those clubs.
Should be more with it than this, but I didn't realise that was the rule until just reading this now. Totally different to my initial understanding of what the concession would be and always assumed it was pick your player.
I have my heart set on Jake Stringer. So assuming GWS use 3 of the 4 possibles this year which most seem to think given the particularly strong 2012 draft class, pick 3 of those should get Stringer no issues (assuming O'Meara is no.1 and Brodie Grundy no.2 (of those born in those first 4 months) at this stage. Though being early he could rise up the rankings again if he can get back from injury ok + have a good preseason.
Wouldn't have a shot at Stringer otherwise being a probably 1st round choice next year and with James Stewart likely to be our forced 1st round choice as a very good F/S possibility.
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I'd want one for the list flexibility it gives if possible since the opportunity is there. If we go x2 players + pick for one of the 17 year olds it gives us the flexibility to delist only 1 or 2 players from our senior list which is a huge win. That and getting another young talent who might be an upgrade on two maybe best 22 player like a Macaffer, Goldsack, Blair, Buckley or McCarthy type who can't necessarily be guaranteed games in future seasons.
It's just weighing up whether we continue going after premierships now, or whether we decide to inject a young lad into the mix after a couple of years of bolstering our list. If the price is right I'd look at the possibility of adding the young lad. One thing to remember is how well Geelong did with young Joel Selwood when he was first drafted. He wasn't just a great young recruit, but he benefited from having a quality leaders and quality experienced players around him. We have that same environment where if we can inject a talented young player we can also experience a good result with. Not to mention our development program. Add the right kid (which O'Meara or Stringer could be) and we can super fast track the results which at another club might not have been so immediate or great.
Certainly worth keeping in mind.
But no official word from the club of interest outside of the rumours of interest from us like most clubs in O'Meara.
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No need to worry about it in the slightest mate! The reason the talks have cooled is because Thomas has basically agreed to terms and he and the club are just waiting for the opportune time to announce it
Either way though it was just a feel good article intended to drum up a bit of potential interest with those north of the border. The bloke who wrote the article isn't exactly the biggest name in AFL journalism, from a quick search on The Age website I noticed that a fair chunk of his stories are cricket related.....
a) Not sure if these two are mutually exclusive mate.
b) If they are, chase the premierships now.
But it doesn't mean putting all our eggs in one basket. We've got the cattle so to speak already, it's not like we're in a phase of building a premiership side.
We're young too, so maintaining the current list is enough, with that youth to continually pressure the team.
Okay drawing a long, long bow here...
In the HS today, GWS assistant coach Mark Williams compiled a list of some of the greatest players and their attributes in the history of the AFL. For example Wayne Carey greatest leader, Gavin Wanganeen smartest player etc etc.
Anyway...when it came to name the most underrated player he had seen, he named our very own Sharrod Wellingham. To be the most underrated player he has seen in 20 years clearly means he is rated very highly by the boys at GWS!
Does anyone know Sharrod's contractual status? He could be a target if Williams has any say.
In the HS today, GWS assistant coach Mark Williams compiled a list of some of the greatest players and their attributes in the history of the AFL. For example Wayne Carey greatest leader, Gavin Wanganeen smartest player etc etc.
Anyway...when it came to name the most underrated player he had seen, he named our very own Sharrod Wellingham. To be the most underrated player he has seen in 20 years clearly means he is rated very highly by the boys at GWS!
Does anyone know Sharrod's contractual status? He could be a target if Williams has any say.
I think he's contracted until the end of 2012. Signed a new 2 year deal last year.
I can see a bit of a trend here by GWS, in that they are driving up the elite players prices, knowing full well they are unlikely to leave their respective clubs, leaving them able to get a guy like Sharrod who may not be in our top 15 paid players. We couldn't afford to pay him $500/$600k but GWS could do it easily.
They'll try for a Reid or Dawes type but they are way to valuable to us to allow them to leave. Sharrod, while a very good player, has many more valued players in front of him, in the pecking order.
Why dont they leave the pies alone 
Seriously stop wasting time taking players from good clubs and try and get elite players from bottom end clubs who have no premierships in sight.... adelaide..saints..bulldogs..brisbane
Seriously stop wasting time taking players from good clubs and try and get elite players from bottom end clubs who have no premierships in sight.... adelaide..saints..bulldogs..brisbane
This would be the type of deal that GWS are looking for, they would offer one of the 17 year old picks for Wellingham.
I think the club would decline (they may offer up Goldsack/Reed), which would not get the deal done.
Wellingham can be a 10 year player for the club, so why swap for a 17 year old that may or may not make it.
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No they wouldn't, because they can just get him for nothing in 2012 when he comes out of contract (if he were to leave). In other words the only way Wellingham will be traded to GWS (for one of those picks) is if we instigate it, which I just can't see happening.
Unless they sign another Collingwood player this year (Thomas etc), then thay have to trade to get Wellingham.
Collingwood will fight to keep both, so I doubt we will secure a 17 year old draft pick from GWS.
Collingwood will try to extend Wellinghams contract beyond 2012, to keep him out of GWS reach.
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It's not something worth fretting over. If GWS are able to secure say a Thomas they won't bother with Wellingham.
But in a hypothetical world if they were hellbent on getting Wellingham and we were resigned to losing him he'd simply go to them as a second uncontracted player (GWS can sign as many as they like from one club as long as the club losing the players agrees to it). The way it would work is we milk the system in 2012 by letting Wellingham go to them then we get a compensation pick in return from the AFL.
As a show of good faith (due to allowing Wellingham to leave as a second uncontracted player) GWS would do a trade that benefit's us in return. It might be something along the lines of GWS trade Dylan Shiel to us for the compensation pick that we received for Wellingham.
We would be the winner of that trade as Shiel would've been a likely top 5 pick if available in the 2011 draft. It's basically the same scenario as what happened with Brennan last year. He wasn't traded to GC, but went to them as an uncontracted player and then they did a trade afterwards to boost Brisbane's draft position.
I'm sorry if I haven't explained it well I'll just stress that we won't lose Wellingham in any trade to GWS unless we instigate it while he's contracted, which simply won't happen.
Edit: Also getting Shiel at that price isn't realistic! I just used it as an example to illustrate my point of us winning in a trade.
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... and whilst he's at it, there should be a "hands off our players" clause too.
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Contracts and the alluring Giants
Hey guys
Just wanting to know what the contract situation is like at Collingwood. More specifically whos not signed and could be on the GWS radar. We all know Thomas and Pendlebury perhaps at end of 2012, and i think Ben Reid is still not signed. This is fairly concerning seeing his the perfect fit for the type of player GWS have said to be after (ward scully rich palmer ect). Can anyone tell me who else might have to fend off offers from the cashed up giants.
Hey guys
Just wanting to know what the contract situation is like at Collingwood. More specifically whos not signed and could be on the GWS radar. We all know Thomas and Pendlebury perhaps at end of 2012, and i think Ben Reid is still not signed. This is fairly concerning seeing his the perfect fit for the type of player GWS have said to be after (ward scully rich palmer ect). Can anyone tell me who else might have to fend off offers from the cashed up giants.
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Re: Contracts and the alluring Giants
Ben Reid Contract ends next season but also most of the Best 22 contract Runs out next season
Ben Reid Contract ends next season but also most of the Best 22 contract Runs out next season
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Been Very Quiet the Last Few Weeks about Daisy Contract Status and if he is close to Re-Signing yet
O'meara is in the mini draft - highest bidder gets the prize
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The way I read it, is that no young player will just nominate for such a draft without knowing that they can get to their potential destination or that a "in-principal" arrangement is in place because the player would still be ineligible to play senior footy until 2013.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes but there's no doubt that their managers have been working on this over time before officially getting the player/s to nominate.
IMO, whilst many are expecting a french auction, it's going to happen very quick and swift as the "mindgames" are just going to be smoke and mirrors to ensure that the "integrity" of it all is upheld for all of the supporters and football purists looking in.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes but there's no doubt that their managers have been working on this over time before officially getting the player/s to nominate.
IMO, whilst many are expecting a french auction, it's going to happen very quick and swift as the "mindgames" are just going to be smoke and mirrors to ensure that the "integrity" of it all is upheld for all of the supporters and football purists looking in.
Re: Contracts and the alluring Giants
Loosing wellingham is not great but if we can have some luck on the draft and get a future elite it would be worth it to keep our "dynsty" alive
Loosing wellingham is not great but if we can have some luck on the draft and get a future elite it would be worth it to keep our "dynsty" alive
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Err, what?
Who said we are losing Wellingham?
Wellingham is a future elite- he is a young star on the rise.
He is not for sale.
Err, what?
Who said we are losing Wellingham?
Wellingham is a future elite- he is a young star on the rise.
He is not for sale.
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Whatever happens, any trading doesnt happen in a test tube separated from the rest of the world.
If we are asking players to be loyal and play for less money than they would get at GWS, then you can't start selling off players in order to trade for kids of the future.
That being said, there might be players that might want to go so that they can play more senior football. Cam Wood might be one. John McCarthy might be another. I dont think we could promise them 20 games next season. If they want to go in those circumstances, then trade them.
This might even happen to the more senior players who are looking to play 3 or 4 years more. Obviously, if they stay at Collingwood, then we cant make those promises.
But in the final analysis, we lay the cards on the table and if the players can't accept the terms, we should come to an arrangement to trade them.
That way, we dont target players for trading.
If we are asking players to be loyal and play for less money than they would get at GWS, then you can't start selling off players in order to trade for kids of the future.
That being said, there might be players that might want to go so that they can play more senior football. Cam Wood might be one. John McCarthy might be another. I dont think we could promise them 20 games next season. If they want to go in those circumstances, then trade them.
This might even happen to the more senior players who are looking to play 3 or 4 years more. Obviously, if they stay at Collingwood, then we cant make those promises.
But in the final analysis, we lay the cards on the table and if the players can't accept the terms, we should come to an arrangement to trade them.
That way, we dont target players for trading.
Re: Contracts and the alluring Giants
totally agree , losing Wellingham is not an option hes the key to our future.
not even no.1 draft picks are guaranteed footballers.
In my opinion if they have to take 1 they can have McCarthy as he will have a bit of value and would be good for himself to get a starting spot with a team. I feel hes been given a go at AFL level but hasnt taken his opportunities like the others have. Great VFL player but just cant make it in the AFL with this current team we have, as spots are hard to come by.
totally agree , losing Wellingham is not an option hes the key to our future.
not even no.1 draft picks are guaranteed footballers.
In my opinion if they have to take 1 they can have McCarthy as he will have a bit of value and would be good for himself to get a starting spot with a team. I feel hes been given a go at AFL level but hasnt taken his opportunities like the others have. Great VFL player but just cant make it in the AFL with this current team we have, as spots are hard to come by.
Re: Contracts and the alluring Giants
Over loosing pendles or daisy. If they offer callum ward 1mill a season and a pies player similar who is getting 500 its going to be hard to resist. Id rather loose him than those 2. That being said i agree it would be very bad but if we could use it for a first round draft and pick up someone like billy longer (future ruckman) it could be worth it.
Over loosing pendles or daisy. If they offer callum ward 1mill a season and a pies player similar who is getting 500 its going to be hard to resist. Id rather loose him than those 2. That being said i agree it would be very bad but if we could use it for a first round draft and pick up someone like billy longer (future ruckman) it could be worth it.
Re: Contracts and the alluring Giants
Anyone know what GWS may give us for McCarthy, Goldsack, Dick? Like if we got a first rounder and picked up billy longer it could be a really really good deal for out future.
Anyone know what GWS may give us for McCarthy, Goldsack, Dick? Like if we got a first rounder and picked up billy longer it could be a really really good deal for out future.
Re: Contracts and the alluring Giants
GWS wouldn't give us anything, the AFL would compensate us perhaps with a end of 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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