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sr36 said:
I agree. Jews shouldn't be able to criticise Israel actions. Just as Palestinians shouldn't be able to criticise Hamas. That sort of thing just stops us from viewing these communities as a single voice and takes the fun out of genocide.
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you may have inadvertently pointed out an error in what i said. maybe the discussion was about whether the israeli should murder. I suppose if Pears puts it as a "moral" question for jews in israel then i suppose it's question that relates only to jews.

however, I would argue that it's like giving an audience to a climate sceptic. There are so few israelis questioning the murder that it gives undue prominence to the difference of opinion in israelis society. Yes, there are a few critics of israeli actions, but they are so few. The professsor is wheeled on to make out that a greater percentage are in this group, when the majority of israelis are concerned with their own security and the return of the hostages.
 
petrie pie said:
Another thing about Dr Finkelstein is that He lost many members of his own family to the Holocaust, so he knows all about suffering but he also knows about empathy. A decent human being is Norm.
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Are you trolling me? Is that the term? I would think that there are many in the Israeli cabinet, steering the war, who have family members who died in european concentration camps. It certainly hasnt stopped them from giving orders to drop bombs on civilians in gaza. Surely, you knew that.

We've had that myth trotted out over the years that somehow jews in israel are sensitive to people suffering. That is a ridiculous concept. I think the evidence would suggest that their experiences in war have made them single-minded in establishing the promised land, and exceptionally revengeful for any wrong that might happen to them. And I'm not saying that the latter isnt understandable. However, the treatment by the nazis hasnt pacified the jews as the war might have done the japanese and the germans.
 
Markfs said:
Are you trolling me? Is that the term? I would think that there are many in the Israeli cabinet, steering the war, who have family members who died in european concentration camps. It certainly hasnt stopped them from giving orders to drop bombs on civilians in gaza. Surely, you knew that.

We've had that myth trotted out over the years that somehow jews in israel are sensitive to people suffering. That is a ridiculous concept. I think the evidence would suggest that their experiences in war have made them single-minded in establishing the promised land, and exceptionally revengeful for any wrong that might happen to them. And I'm not saying that the latter isnt understandable. However, the treatment by the nazis hasnt pacified the jews as the war might have done the japanese and the germans.
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Statistically it's undoubted that inter-generational trauma is very real and that the abused are more likely to become abusers. It's a really unrealistic and unfair expectation that those with direct links to the horror of the holocaust are going to be far more empathetic than the rest of the world. Those who are (and many are) are incredible examples of survival of the best of mankind -despite the odds.
 

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Someone tell me Julian Assange has a chance of being set free by the UK, rather than put on a plane to the US… I’m beginning to lose all hope that a journalist exposing war crimes can avoid a 175-year jail term because he spoke truth to power.
 
The Royal Sampler said:
Someone tell me Julian Assange has a chance of being set free by the UK, rather than put on a plane to the US… I’m beginning to lose all hope that a journalist exposing war crimes can avoid a 175-year jail term because he spoke truth to power.
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Don't lose hope. They can avoid lengthy jail terms - in a body bag.
 
The Royal Sampler said:
Someone tell me Julian Assange has a chance of being set free by the UK, rather than put on a plane to the US… I’m beginning to lose all hope that a journalist exposing war crimes can avoid a 175-year jail term because he spoke truth to power.
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Another gutless exhibition by a prime minister. I remember back in david hicks days, the british had a word to the americans about how inappropriate it was to hold british subject without a charge....and they let some pommes go....but john howard didnt say a word for hicks.

This looks like a repeat
 
The Royal Sampler said:
Someone tell me Julian Assange has a chance of being set free by the UK, rather than put on a plane to the US… I’m beginning to lose all hope that a journalist exposing war crimes can avoid a 175-year jail term because he spoke truth to power.
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I would have expected Akubra man and the much wronged Wong to have actively campaigned for his release, but of course, they have been conspicuous with their silence. I imagine Wong would have us believe that their efforts have been of the softly softly style behind closed doors, but I'd call bs. If ever there was an issue you'd hope to be able to respect Labour for it's standing up for Assange.
 
Markfs said:
Are you trolling me? Is that the term? I would think that there are many in the Israeli cabinet, steering the war, who have family members who died in european concentration camps. It certainly hasnt stopped them from giving orders to drop bombs on civilians in gaza. Surely, you knew that.

We've had that myth trotted out over the years that somehow jews in israel are sensitive to people suffering. That is a ridiculous concept. I think the evidence would suggest that their experiences in war have made them single-minded in establishing the promised land, and exceptionally revengeful for any wrong that might happen to them. And I'm not saying that the latter isnt understandable. However, the treatment by the nazis hasnt pacified the jews as the war might have done the japanese and the germans.
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Mate I am definitely not trolling you,have a look on the internet see how many interviews and arguements Dr Finkelstein has been involved in and always on the Palestinian side.

He is hated by most of his fellow Jews because he is a strident critic of Israel and has been for a long time certainly since Sharon was in power,he was a war criminal by the way.

Listen in this thread I have been accused of being a Palestinian and an anti semite and then I got into more trouble for comparing Israel to the Nazi,s and what is Israel is intending to do and I have been proven correct.

And I said mths ago that Israel would start on the west bank and Israeli settlers are killing Arabs in there 100;s already, I could forsee what going to happen here.

Listen 4 months ago we were told the Israeli army was the most moral army in the world and what a hideous joke that has become,these are the same IDF soldiers screaming and dancing about killing the Amuleks. Also the same ones who let a little girl live for an extra half hour so they lure 2 Ambulance men to their death and then shot the little girl afterwards that is not the action of a moral person more like the devil incarnate.

I think it is a bloody outrage what Israel is doing here and getting away with mostly and their justification for getting the hostages home,not much has been said about the hostages because they murdered 3 of them when they were waving white flags of surrender. Is it really any wonder they would shoot a 5 yr old child.
 
Markfs said:
There are so few israelis questioning the murder that it gives undue prominence to the difference of opinion in israelis society. Yes, there are a few critics of israeli actions, but they are so few. The professsor is wheeled on to make out that a greater percentage are in this group, when the majority of israelis are concerned with their own security and the return of the hostages.
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He's not Israeli. You're lurching into ugly territory.
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
I would have expected Akubra man and the much wronged Wong to have actively campaigned for his release, but of course, they have been conspicuous with their silence. I imagine Wong would have us believe that their efforts have been of the softly softly style behind closed doors, but I'd call bs. If ever there was an issue you'd hope to be able to respect Labour for it's standing up for Assange.
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The Australian Govt like the British Govt will not stand up to the Americans Bidon who I had some hope,s for has turned out to be a disgrace, you need to watch an interview with Scott Ritter about Assange and the American Govt but what can you expect from Aukus members we have seen their performance on Israel.

Politicians on all side,s in most countries have shown their moral bankruptcy as far as Israel is concerned I find it very hard to convey my absolute contempt for most pollies now.
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
I would have expected Akubra man and the much wronged Wong to have actively campaigned for his release, but of course, they have been conspicuous with their silence. I imagine Wong would have us believe that their efforts have been of the softly softly style behind closed doors, but I'd call bs. If ever there was an issue you'd hope to be able to respect Labour for it's standing up for Assange.
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Their only strategy is to stand about 1mm left of that queensland copper.
 

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Finkelstein is the name he was born with and you have to respect a man who does not alter his name or Anglocize his name unlike many others whose name does not suit.

The dr is certainly not a nut job and his position on Israel cost him tenure on a professorship but he is a man of integrity not be dismissed as headcase because of a position he holds.

Because of his stance on Israel he has been shunned by his fellow jews and the reason he gives for his stance is because of his parents who were both survivors of Nazi death camps but it did not change an ornate sense of fairness even after what they witnessed and went through.
 
vindaloo said:
Finklestein is a nutcase.
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Is this like the Ghassan Hage thing, when you make ignorant statements about people you hardly know as a way of trolling people?

Vindaloo is a dim troll.
 
JB1975 said:
Is this like the Ghassan Hage thing, when you make ignorant statements about people you hardly know as a way of trolling people?

Vindaloo is a dim troll.
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Is that a cross between a dim sim and a chiko roll - a long cylindrical dim sim - perhaps filled with a very spicy curry.
 
TheGreatGrundy said:
I can't take the name seriously. Sorry if that oversteps boundaries set for PC'ness, racism, inclusivity etc.

If you can't laugh or sneer at a name, what's there left to do in this world?
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Well at least his name is memorable and nobody is going to pretend it doesn't exist. I'm jealous.



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TheGreatGrundy said:
I can't take the name seriously. Sorry if that oversteps boundaries set for PC'ness, racism, inclusivity etc.

If you can't laugh or sneer at a name, what's there left to do in this world?
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There's still hope. We've still got rangas to sneer at and ridicule.
 
JB1975 said:
Is this like the Ghassan Hage thing, when you make ignorant statements about people you hardly know as a way of trolling people?

Vindaloo is a dim troll.
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Finklestein is a troll and a really bad troll. He like hage makes inflammatory opinions such as Gaza is like the Holocaust... i'm talking pre October 7.

There are lots of 'academics' who have an inflammatory position on certain issues tbh.

I'm glad we agree that making such comparisons should have a visceral reaction that's antipathetic.
 
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