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[Markfs]

The kid was 16. He acted alone. Apparently it was terrorism. It helps society to make this assessment?

 

[gouki88]

The kid was 16. He acted alone. Apparently it was terrorism. It helps society to make this assessment?

Probably more so to guide prosecution. There will definitely be social cohesion impacts from the labelling though, unfortunately. I’m not sure that such an assessment can/should be made and not published

 

[sr36]

Can you clarify what agenda you believe is present in the second paragraph please?

The article is correct to highlight the concerning rise of anger within the Australian community and the potential danger.

It had the potential to be a good article if the journo hadnt have been so biased and had included Israel's response to Oct 7 and Australian Govt support as key inflamers of community tensions, but he didn't. Omitting the IDF contribution to inflamed tension whilst mentioning Oct 7 multiple times, Hamas and Islamic state makes the article inflammatory rather than an important warning. He's poking the giant that is Islamophobia in this country. And doing that is bloody dangerous.

 

[Markfs]

Probably more so to guide prosecution. There will definitely be social cohesion impacts from the labelling though, unfortunately. I’m not sure that such an assessment can/should be made and not published

i think it puts petrol on the flames.

 

[Markfs]

This is a couple of months old but it's indicative of chip's style....smooth as the ripple on a septic tank

Faiths gather at Federation Square to celebrate Hanukkah

There were prayers for lasting peace as Melburnians gathered to celebrate the festival of lights at a time of heightened community tensions over the war in Gaza.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Mauvais Cheval]

Good ole Chipper.

Religion is awesome, well the ones I support are, and when they preach hatred or engage in violence in Gods name its sick and based not cringe, and Catholics are persecuted, I mean some people think its a bizarre pedophile protection racket but they are just hate mongers, and anyway tolerance means infinite tolerance for religious inspired hatred and discrimination, especially when its of gays, people need to bow down and accept we are a godly nation, by the way can i interest you in some opus dei literature?

nong of the highest calibre

 

[gouki88]

i think it puts petrol on the flames.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but what is the alternative? Not disclose when terrorist events occur?

 

[Markfs]

Good ole Chipper.

Religion is awesome, well the ones I support are, and when they preach hatred or engage in violence in Gods name its sick and based not cringe, and Catholics are persecuted, I mean some people think its a bizarre pedophile protection racket but they are just hate mongers, and anyway tolerance means infinite tolerance for religious inspired hatred and discrimination, especially when its of gays, people need to bow down and accept we are a godly nation, by the way can i interest you in some opus dei literature?

nong of the highest calibre

actually horsey, i agree with you which means by definition you must be wrong...

 

[Mauvais Cheval]

actually horsey, i agree with you which means by definition you must be wrong...

Damn we better pretend this never happened.

 

[Markfs]

I don’t necessarily disagree, but what is the alternative? Not disclose when terrorist events occur?

i liked the old days when the PLO highjacked a plane and forced countries to do stuff.... that seems to encompass more than just kidnapping etc. The kid went off the rails probably due to religious programming etc and he assaulted a guy who dresses up in some weird religious costume to sell his story. I just dont see the leverage and other aspects. And I dont see what we learn from an event from being classified like this...anything positive.

 

[Markfs]

Damn we better pretend this never happened.

well we can ask the moderator to delete the posts because we're incensed confronted hurt and marginalised...

 

[vindaloo]

I don't normally read links or watch videos without knowing what I am about to look at but I did just read the AGE article and to me it was more about the painting and stabbing of the Church leader (who incidentally was ex communicated as a Bishop in 2014 for having extreme theological differences with the church).

It didn't seem to be an objective article and was just pushing his own biases.

His final paragraph:

It is harder to know what prompts someone, armed with a paint brush and a tin in the middle of the night, to black out the image of a child held captive in an age-old conflict. This is the war we are losing: the war within.

It really isn't that hard, the article is a good example of why.

I see your point in bold, but I also think your being super critical of the article overall.


“We have to keep listening to each other; respecting each other. But I have heard language demonstrating that people are losing respect for each other’s humanity. Blatant antisemitism and Islamophobia.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...albanese-s-toughest-test-20240416-p5fk4s.html
“We gain nothing by reproducing the conflict here, by talking past each other, by shouting each other down and by insisting on respective absolutes.”

Barton observes that behind every lone attacker you normally find a circle of malignant friends, family members or influencers who have put them up to it. They are the present focus of counter-terrorism investigators.

I thought his work exposing Clem Ford who doxxed the Jewish community probably down the road from you was important in light of stabbings and ASIO report. I thought it's also important for you to be aware of how Greens rhetoric has been dangerous. You can't claim ignorance to this. I've also been critical of Samantha Ratnams opportunism with her push to win the seat in Coburg, which will be out of the George Galloway playbook.

I can see how the article is challenging peoples ideologies in a thread that's full of ideologues, but poking the bear of Anti-Semitism is very dangerous in this country. Don't you agree with that, I mean in light of ASIO?

 

[gouki88]

I see your point, but I also think your being super critical of the article overall.


“We have to keep listening to each other; respecting each other. But I have heard language demonstrating that people are losing respect for each other’s humanity. Blatant antisemitism and Islamophobia.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...albanese-s-toughest-test-20240416-p5fk4s.html
“We gain nothing by reproducing the conflict here, by talking past each other, by shouting each other down and by insisting on respective absolutes.”

Barton observes that behind every lone attacker you normally find a circle of malignant friends, family members or influencers who have put them up to it. They are the present focus of counter-terrorism investigators.

I thought his work exposing Clem Ford who doxxed the Jewish community probably down the road from you was important in light of stabbings and ASIO report. I thought it's also important for you to be aware of how Greens rhetoric has been dangerous. You can't claim ignorance to this. I've also been critical of Samantha Ratnams opportunism with her push to win her seat in Coburg, which will be out of the George Galloway playbook.

I can see how the article is challenging peoples ideologies in a thread that's full of ideologues, but poking the bear of Anti-Semitism is very dangerous in this country. Don't you agree with that, I mean in light of ASIO?

Are you a bot? Parroting the exact same language sr used but changing Islamophobia to anti-Semitism is bizarre.

We do not have to keep listening to or respecting all perspectives. Tolerating ideologies that are pro-genocide is dumb. They should be shouted down.

I think Barton is speculating. His perspective is also not consensus - some literature explores lone wolf actors specifically as being beyond networks.

 

[vindaloo]

Are you a bot? Parroting the exact same language sr used but changing Islamophobia to anti-Semitism is bizarre.

We do not have to keep listening to or respecting all perspectives. Tolerating ideologies that are pro-genocide is dumb. They should be shouted down.

I think Barton is speculating. His perspective is also not consensus - some literature explores lone wolf actors specifically as being beyond networks.

Wait wat? What are you talking about?

 

[Markfs]

I see your point in bold, but I also think your being super critical of the article overall.


“We have to keep listening to each other; respecting each other. But I have heard language demonstrating that people are losing respect for each other’s humanity. Blatant antisemitism and Islamophobia.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...albanese-s-toughest-test-20240416-p5fk4s.html
“We gain nothing by reproducing the conflict here, by talking past each other, by shouting each other down and by insisting on respective absolutes.”

Barton observes that behind every lone attacker you normally find a circle of malignant friends, family members or influencers who have put them up to it. They are the present focus of counter-terrorism investigators.

I thought his work exposing Clem Ford who doxxed the Jewish community probably down the road from you was important in light of stabbings and ASIO report. I thought it's also important for you to be aware of how Greens rhetoric has been dangerous. You can't claim ignorance to this. I've also been critical of Samantha Ratnams opportunism with her push to win her seat in Coburg, which will be out of the George Galloway playbook.

I can see how the article is challenging peoples ideologies in a thread that's full of ideologues, but poking the bear of Anti-Semitism is very dangerous in this country. Don't you agree with that, I mean in light of ASIO?

well written windy - the grammar that is. I was going to ask you whether your second language was english. It was a bit boring though. It didnt have any of those entertaining windyisms. That anti-semitic thing that you're into gets rather draining after 6 months. I know its good for propaganda to be repetitive but geez....

Finally about your quote...

“We gain nothing by reproducing the conflict here, by talking past each other, by shouting each other down and by insisting on respective absolutes.”

well if reproducing the conflict means saying that israel shouldnt murder people, I can tell you that I gain something personally for stating my opinions, even if the people in charge of the world have their motives for allowing people to die.

 

[Maggie5]

I see your point in bold, but I also think your being super critical of the article overall.


“We have to keep listening to each other; respecting each other. But I have heard language demonstrating that people are losing respect for each other’s humanity. Blatant antisemitism and Islamophobia.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...albanese-s-toughest-test-20240416-p5fk4s.html
“We gain nothing by reproducing the conflict here, by talking past each other, by shouting each other down and by insisting on respective absolutes.”

Barton observes that behind every lone attacker you normally find a circle of malignant friends, family members or influencers who have put them up to it. They are the present focus of counter-terrorism investigators.

I thought his work exposing Clem Ford who doxxed the Jewish community probably down the road from you was important in light of stabbings and ASIO report. I thought it's also important for you to be aware of how Greens rhetoric has been dangerous. You can't claim ignorance to this. I've also been critical of Samantha Ratnams opportunism with her push to win the seat in Coburg, which will be out of the George Galloway playbook.

I have no idea what your post is about except for the first sentence.

You have mentioned Ford before (I didn't comment), I have no idea who Ratnams is so not sure what anything you posted has to do with what I posted. Who is Barton and George Galloway? Politicians?

Further when posting links, perhaps give a bit more information what it is about so posters can choose whether to read.

I can see how the article is challenging peoples ideologies in a thread that's full of ideologues, but poking the bear of Anti-Semitism is very dangerous in this country. Don't you agree with that, I mean in light of ASIO?

I think that was an addon to what seemed to me a biased article.

Poking the bear on anti-semitism is no different to poking the bear on Islamophobia. Neither is helpful.

 

[vindaloo]

I have no idea what your post is about except for the first sentence.

You have mentioned Ford before (I didn't comment), I have no idea who Ratnams is so not sure what anything you posted has to do with what I posted. Who is Barton and George Galloway? Politicians?

Further when posting links, perhaps give a bit more information what it is about so posters can choose whether to read.


I think that was an addon to what seemed to me a biased article.

Poking the bear on anti-semitism is no different to poking the bear on Islamophobia. Neither is helpful.

Well, this is hard. This is the second time in a row you've either not comprehended my post or claimed that I've misunderstood yours. Anyways, Ratnam (spelling) is the greens state leader in VIC, the others you will have to google, sorry.

 

[Maggie5]

Well, this is hard.

Okay

This is the second time in a row you've either not comprehended my post or claimed that I've misunderstood yours.

I didn't understand as I couldn't see how it related to what I wrote, you introduced something entirely new with Ford, The Greens and the others I have no idea about.

Anyways, Ratnam (spelling) is the greens state leader in VIC, the others you will have to google, sorry.

Thanks but I won't bother googling.

 

[Markfs]

I have no idea what your post is about except for the first sentence.

You have mentioned Ford before (I didn't comment), I have no idea who Ratnams is so not sure what anything you posted has to do with what I posted. Who is Barton and George Galloway? Politicians?

Well, this is hard. This is the second time in a row you've either not comprehended my post or claimed that I've misunderstood yours. Anyways, Ratnam (spelling) is the greens state leader in VIC, the others you will have to google, sorry.

To assist you two about Windy's reference to Ratnam. It was a typo and he meant Ratman. I attach a photo. You can see he's a green leader

 

[Maggie5]

To assist you two about Windy's reference to Ratnam. It was a typo and he meant Ratman. I attach a photo. You can see he's a green leader

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I always vote Greens in the Senate. Adam Brandt is a really nice guy having met him.

 

[Markfs]

I always vote Greens in the Senate. Adam Brandt is a really nice guy having met him.

unfortunately, adam has been accused of being anti-semitic by a fairly independent source - dave sharma. dave is meticulous with his allegations... You might have to ditch Adam...

Adam Bandt: 'We oppose anti-Semitism' - ABC listen

Greens Leader Adam Bandt says the party has taken a stand against anti-Semitism, after being accused by the incoming NSW Liberal Senator Dave Sharma of having a "blind spot" on the issue.

www.abc.net.au

 

[JB1975]

I always vote Greens in the Senate. Adam Brandt is a really nice guy having met him.

Samantha Ratnam is the Vic Greens leader who just announced a switch to federal politics, and will run in the seat of Wills.

Her relevance to anything in this thread can only be found by looking through the portal of Windy's mind. Not really worth it.

 

[sr36]

Samantha Ratnam is the Vic Greens leader who just announced a switch to federal politics, and will run in the seat of Wills.

Her relevance to anything in this thread can only be found by looking through the portal of Windy's mind. Not really worth it.

Greens are considered a chance to roll labour due to ratnams popularity and their stance on Palestine in an electorate with a decent sized islamic population.

Its windys worst nightmare. A confluence of his evils.

 

[Mauvais Cheval]

Samantha Ratnam is the Vic Greens leader who just announced a switch to federal politics, and will run in the seat of Wills.

Her relevance to anything in this thread can only be found by looking through the portal of Windy's mind. Not really worth it.

The greens would be eyeing off 4 electorates in Melbourne they have a good chance of gaining. The combination of the dismal failure of this labor government to live up to labor values, and the fallout of its support for Israel, put both Wills and Cooper in play.

They also have a shot in Higgins and McNamara, but I think McNamara is now less likely, and Higgins a toss up. Both could end up going back to Liberal.

They really need viable candidates with good recognition and appeal outside the traditional Greens base. Not sure Samantha Ratnam is that. If they persuaded the state member for Prahran, Sam Hibbins, to run for Higgins, then it would be in the bag.

 

[JB1975]

Greens are considered a chance to roll labour due to ratnams popularity and their stance on Palestine in an electorate with a decent sized islamic population.

Its windys worst nightmare. A confluence of his evils.

The Greens are nothing if not opportunists. I'm not a fan of it, normally, but there are Muslim communities in Melbourne and Sydney which will feel taken for granted and in desperate need of an alternative.

Labor made that rod for their own back.