Mega Thread All things Tony Abbott

[Nightowl]

Are you suggesting that Tone goes for a long swim?

At Cheviot Beach ?!

 

[Power Raid]

Tony should do the right thing and step aside. He has simply stuffed up by not being able to explain the basics.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Tony should do the right thing and step aside. He has simply stuffed up by not being able to explain the basics.

And the rest of it. And at his last opportunity to turn public perception of him he slams the democratic choices of the Victorian and then Queensland electorates without any thought for why they happened or that his pathetic performance federally would have swung many.

 

[RUNVS]

Bolt is finally coming round, it's taken him five years, but seeing as he's an Arts drop out you have to assume he's pretty slow learner.

I'm doing a Bachelor of Arts so I guess I should be mildly insulted

 

[Slax]

Have it from a good source that Julie Bishop WILL NOT challenge for the leadership now or at any time before the next election, Turnbull and Morrison are apparently doing their numbers and have been rumoured to be talking about a challenge where the one who doesn't challenge gets the Treasurer's position. Morrison might not be all that much more popular in the electorate, but having Turnbull as Treasurer is seen as a massive boost over Hockey and will help the new leader. Bishop will remain deputy unchallenged.

 

[Juddism]

Have it from a good source that Julie Bishop WILL NOT challenge for the leadership now or at any time before the next election, Turnbull and Morrison are apparently doing their numbers and have been rumoured to be talking about a challenge where the one who doesn't challenge gets the Treasurer's position. Morrison might not be all that much more popular in the electorate, but having Turnbull as Treasurer is seen as a massive boost over Hockey and will help the new leader. Bishop will remain deputy unchallenged.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ee-she-wouldnt-challenge-20150202-134fpx.html

are you sure?

 

[Mofra]

I'm doing a Bachelor of Arts so I guess I should be mildly insulted

So you're educated?
The "yay Libs" crew aren't going to like you

 

[spinynorman]

Tony should do the right thing and step aside. He has simply stuffed up by not being able to explain the basics.

That's what the Liberals are saying, but I disagree - it's not that they've framed the message badly, it's that the message is munted.

People are dead against the GP co-payment, even though now they've clearly had their focus group message saying "This is us strengthening Medicare". It's horrendously unpopular, and yet they keep trying to find new ways to have it implemented.

 

[Slax]

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ee-she-wouldnt-challenge-20150202-134fpx.html

are you sure?

She's lost total faith in his ability to drag the party out of this mess. Challenge herself no, but part of a ticket yes. If she went in with Turnbull or Morrison to the party room and said it's a challenge either vote for us or stick with Tony and send us to the backbenchers, the party will dump Tony in a heartbeat.

 

[Nikita Blue]

As Swan said last night on Q&A it's not the salesmanship or hostile "electronic graffiti" that is responsible for their standing; it's the moral bankruptcy of their program.

 

[Gough]

I'm now convinced the PM doesn't have the first clue about how the Westminster System works. First it was the whole illegitimate government nonsense, now he seems convinced he's been anointed by the people and only they can remove him.

 

[Richard Pryor]

I'm now convinced the PM doesn't have the first clue about how the Westminster System works. First it was the whole illegitimate government nonsense, now he seems convinced he's been anointed by the people and only they can remove him.

But remember, he absolutely doesn't care about popularity either!

 

[raghav]

Tony should do the right thing and step aside. He has simply stuffed up by not being able to explain the basics.

What? This is the moron who was willing to hock his arse to get the Prime Ministership. Not likely!

 

[Maggie5]

Tony should do the right thing and step aside. He has simply stuffed up by not being able to explain the basics.

I am surprised that you don't get it. It has nothing to do with details.
It is the message that is on the nose but more importantly it is the lies and loss of trust with voters.

http://theaimn.com/every-football-team-needs-head-kicker-dont-make-captain/

For example, on the ABC’s Insiders on September 1, 2013, Tony Abbott stated:
“I want to give people this absolute assurance, no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no changes to pensions and no changes to the GST.”
And on September 6, 2013, the day before the 2013 Federal Election, Tony Abbott again ruled out any changes to the GST while speaking to Neil Mitchell on 3AW:
NEIL MITCHELL: So what are the no-go zones?
TONY ABBOTT: Well, if you can be more efficient, obviously you should be more efficient. There’s no point preserving inefficiency if efficiency is possible. What we aren’t going to do is we’re not going to cut health spending, we’re not going to cut education spending. We’re not going to reduce pensions, we’re not going to change the GST – all of the scares that Kevin Rudd has been hyperventilating over, over the last few weeks is simple nonsense.

 

[raghav]

Tony should do the right thing and step aside. He has simply stuffed up by not being able to explain the basics.

He's flat out trying to explain anything, apart from gibbering Billy McMahon he would be the worst communicator ever to hold office. A dithering, hand waving verbal dolt. He would have to be the only Rhodes Scholar bogan in history.

 

[Gough]

Kris Kristoffersen, like the PM, is a Rhodes Scholar and a boxing Blue. Let's swap the PM for him.
#krisforPM

 

[Juddism]

She's lost total faith in his ability to drag the party out of this mess. Challenge herself no, but part of a ticket yes. If she went in with Turnbull or Morrison to the party room and said it's a challenge either vote for us or stick with Tony and send us to the backbenchers, the party will dump Tony in a heartbeat.

Read the article. She refused to rule out a challenge for the leadership. I'd say she's willing to challenge for the top job.

 

[Lebbo73]

Anyway, it's an interesting dilemma that the Coalition find themselves in right now.

The right faction absolutely loathe Turnbull,

But the Australian public don't like the right, now that they've seen the real aim is to dismantle Medicare, social security, higher education and erode pay and conditions for low-paid workers. All the sorts of things we've become accustomed to since Whitlam. I don't see the right as being any more than a small minority viewpoint in Australia.

Howard at least had the political instinct for a long time to keep the extremes of it being implemented too widely, that is until they came up with Workchoices, which was his government's death-knell. Abbott has got to that stage after about half a term.

Workchoices increased wages and productivity. The only reason the Unions didn't like it was because their members had to do some work to earn their money. It is a noble concept apparently.

 

[sherb]

Workchoices increased wages and productivity. The only reason the Unions didn't like it was because their members had to do some work to earn their money. It is a noble concept apparently.

Geez you post some tripe.

 

[Footy Smarts]

As Swan said last night on Q&A it's not the salesmanship or hostile "electronic graffiti" that is responsible for their standing; it's the moral bankruptcy of their program.

Damn straight. Their policy suite is full of complete turds. Rather than doing the work required to come up with policies that are fair, reasonable and effective they're still deluded into thinking it's the "selling" that's the issue. They've been trying to polish their policy turds for ages already. Now that the electorate has pointed out how shit they are in no uncertain terms the only response from the Liberals seems to be "come on guys, polish harder!" They're just completely and utterly divorced from reality.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

That's what the Liberals are saying, but I disagree - it's not that they've framed the message badly, it's that the message is munted.

People are dead against the GP co-payment, even though now they've clearly had their focus group message saying "This is us strengthening Medicare". It's horrendously unpopular, and yet they keep trying to find new ways to have it implemented.

It'll be fascinating which policies the new Prime Minister keeps and which ones get thrown overboard.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

I'm now convinced the PM doesn't have the first clue about how the Westminster System works. First it was the whole illegitimate government nonsense, now he seems convinced he's been anointed by the people and only they can remove him.

He knows exactly how it works. Talking bullshit has been his career strategy. It's late in the fourth quarter and he's running out of bounds and using the time outs best he can.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Kris Kristoffersen, like the PM, is a Rhodes Scholar and a boxing Blue. Let's swap the PM for him.
#krisforPM

He'd get my vote! Would be one helluva victory party (but a dreadful Sunday morning coming down).

 

[Maggie5]

Can anyone tell me where Bishop stands in so far as her beliefs? What skills, knowledge would she bring to the role PM?
Apart from being articulate, I really can't see anything else.

 

[Pessimistic]

Workchoices increased wages and productivity. The only reason the Unions didn't like it was because their members had to do some work to earn their money. It is a noble concept apparently.

Even liberal voters in stable employment hated it because they saw their kids being exploited