Mega Thread All things Tony Abbott

[Jascave]

Read the article. She refused to rule out a challenge for the leadership. I'd say she's willing to challenge for the top job.

If what Sky News is saying is true, that Bishop refused to rule out a challenge for the top job, you can be sure that this time next week it will be game on. And after what happened this morning in the NT, anything can happen.


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[Pessimistic]

Can anyone tell me where Bishop stands in so far as her beliefs? What skills, knowledge would she bring to the role PM?
Apart from being articulate, I really can't see anything else.

Stare down opponents ?

Remeber the libs and their crony of supporters once reckoned bronny was the one

 

[Footy Smarts]

I reckon the title should be changed to "by the end of the week." Let's be honest a challenge is coming this year it's just a matter of timing.

 

[Maggie5]

Stare down opponents ?

Remeber the libs and their crony of supporters once reckoned bronny was the one

What is about Bishops and Abbotts? Religious overtones?

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Can anyone tell me where Bishop stands in so far as her beliefs? What skills, knowledge would she bring to the role PM?
Apart from being articulate, I really can't see anything else.

Asbestos victims deserve nowt due to industrial malfeasance?

 

[sherb]

Hang on Tony, shouldn't this only happen at an election?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...y-chief-minister/story-e6frgczx-1227205699679

 

[Lester Burnham]

Hey Lester, read an article where Turnbull congratulated Newman on his good work in Queensland and wished him well etc.etc.
You have got me thinking about his judgement and maybe he is just another political whore.

You weren't already thinking about his judgement after Utegate? People talk about the Libs dropping him because of his support for the ETS but after Turnbull publicly embarrassed himself his approval rating suffered the single biggest fall in Newspoll's history.

 

[Slax]

Read the article. She refused to rule out a challenge for the leadership. I'd say she's willing to challenge for the top job.

I know what the article said. The basis is that he had dinner at The Lodge with her on the weekend and with the Qld election result known, Abbott want a press release saying she wouldn't run and Bishop refused to do anything more than she already has been doing.

Abbott asking for a press release is the action of a desperate man, it shows he doesn't even know who his backers are in his own party, hence time to go.

 

[Maggie5]

You weren't already thinking about his judgement after Utegate? People talk about the Libs dropping him because of his support for the ETS but after Turnbull publicly embarrassed himself his approval rating suffered the single biggest fall in Newspoll's history.

I had forgotten all about it, perhaps because I wasn't such a big Rudd fan.

 

[Slax]

It'll be fascinating which policies the new Prime Minister keeps and which ones get thrown overboard.

I want to see the massive blood letting in Cabinet which will happen first, only after that happens will we find out about the policies.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Can anyone tell me where Bishop stands in so far as her beliefs? What skills, knowledge would she bring to the role PM?
Apart from being articulate, I really can't see anything else.

She defended some foreign aid measured against cuts in cabinet one time. Pretty sure they've now been cut anyway. Apart from that and doing pretty standard foreign minister stuff it's hard to say because she's spend most of her time in parliament doing the work of others.

 

[Lester Burnham]

I had forgotten all about it, perhaps because I wasn't such a big Rudd fan.

I'm sure Labor would remind everyone were Uncle Malc to become leader.

 

[Maggie5]

She defended some foreign aid measured against cuts in cabinet one time. Pretty sure they've now been cut anyway. Apart from that and doing pretty standard foreign minister stuff it's hard to say because she's spend most of her time in parliament doing the work of others.

How so?

 

[QuietB]

Would Bishop actually want to be leader? And is she popular enough to succeed?

My reading would be if Bishop gets the top job she will be vilified in exactly the same manner as Gillard was. There is the cat clawing stuff in parliament already, she is widely seen as another head kicker, would Bishop actually be considered much of a change from Abbott?

If the liberals installed Turnbull and give him enough time they will be in power for the next decade. Abbott certainly cannot achieve that and I doubt Bishop could either.

I know that the Liberal right is reluctant to give Turnbull the job, but quite frankly the platform of the Liberal right has been smacked out of the pack by the Australian public, again (remember Howard got immediately shown the door as soon as he got control of the senate and fully implemented his program).

I think everyone in the country knows Turnbull will be the most successful option. Yet they cannot bring themselves to do it.

They all need to sit down and watch yesterdays superbowl ending. Turnbull is your Marsharn Lynch. Use him.

 

[Maggie5]

Hang on Tony, shouldn't this only happen at an election?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...y-chief-minister/story-e6frgczx-1227205699679

Notice they didn't go into his character and comments re Brad Pitt/Angelina Jolie.

 

[Jascave]

How many votes would be needed to topple Tony Abbott out of power and install either Turnbull/Bishop/Morrison to the leadership?


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[swingdog]

You weren't already thinking about his judgement after Utegate? People talk about the Libs dropping him because of his support for the ETS but after Turnbull publicly embarrassed himself his approval rating suffered the single biggest fall in Newspoll's history.

You would hope the Liberal Party would recall its history and remember that a number of its political heroes (e.g. Menzies, Howard) needed more than one go at the leadership after stuffing up the first time.

 

[Footy Smarts]

How so?

She's been deputy leader for an eternity which basically involves doing what the leadership want done but don't want to be directly involved with. For example she spent a week in parliament grilling Gillard about the Wilson AWU stuff because Abbott didn't want to be directly involved with that type of smear. It's not necessarily a criticism it's just a fact that she's been deputy leader for a long time and nobody in that role is ever going to speak out strongly on anything against the leader. Her views might be completely different to Abbott but there's no way of really knowing yet.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Would Bishop actually want to be leader? And is she popular enough to succeed?

My reading would be if Bishop gets the top job she will be vilified in exactly the same manner as Gillard was. There is the cat clawing stuff in parliament already, she is widely seen as another head kicker, would Bishop actually be considered much of a change from Abbott?

If the liberals installed Turnbull and give him enough time they will be in power for the next decade. Abbott certainly cannot achieve that and I doubt Bishop could either.

I know that the Liberal right is reluctant to give Turnbull the job, but quite frankly the platform of the Liberal right has been smacked out of the pack by the Australian public, again (remember Howard got immediately shown the door as soon as he got control of the senate and fully implemented his program).

I think everyone in the country knows Turnbull will be the most successful option. Yet they cannot bring themselves to do it.

They all need to sit down and watch yesterdays superbowl ending. Turnbull is your Marsharn Lynch. Use him.

It's all well and good saying Turnbull would be a popular PM and he might well be. But that's incredibly dangerous for the current coalition. An electorally successful PM has the ability to completely reshape a party. With Howard being so successful the party went from being a centre-right party to being a right wing party controlled by their right wing.

If you look at most of the front bench they're right wingers in safe seats. Sure Abbott's doing a terrible job but what do they have to gain by going to Turnbull? If Turnbull is successful then there's every chance the party shifts more towards the centre and their views become marginalised. Basically they become powerless in a powerful party perhaps voting for policies they don't agree with. Any challenge isn't just about electoral power but also internal party power. This is why Bishop becomes a compromise candidate that could be considered. Sure she's not from the real rabid right but she's probably less likely to be overwhelmingly popular and therefore less likely to be as dangerous as Turnbull. The other choice is Morrison who would be a like for like replacement for Abbott but without the personal hatred from the electorate. In that case they'd be hoping to get to the next election before the public realises he's as much of a campaigner as he really is.

 

[swingdog]

Basically they become powerless in a powerful party perhaps voting for policies they don't agree with. Any challenge isn't just about electoral power but also internal party power.

But if the numbers don't add up, they'll then be powerful in a powerless party. An old battle of ideology versus pragmatism.

 

[Jascave]

So when could we see a petition calling for a leadership vote within the Liberals happening-end of the week, this time next week, or next morning month?



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[Gough]

If Turnbull is keen, and I have no doubt that he would be, would he be better off waiting until after the budget? If it's like the last one, it will be about as popular as knob rot, and by publicly reversing some of the more unpopular and and ideologically hard right polices, he cements his reputation as the darling of the centre.

 

[Footy Smarts]

But if the numbers don't add up, they'll then be powerful in a powerless party. An old battle of ideology versus pragmatism.

Is it better to be powerful in a powerless party or powerless in a powerful party? If people like Brandis and Abetz give power to Turnbull they're ensuring that they become powerless either through Turnbull leading the party more towards the centre or them dumping Turnbull and ensuring electoral oblivion. It would be much more preferable for them to put in a different leader without changing the party's direction in the hope that it helps their electoral standing. Of course they're so out of touch with reality that they probably think that's likely. The question then is whether they stay with Abbott or turn to Morrison or Bishop. Ideally the hard right of the party would like to stay with Abbott for a while and then change to Morrison and have a fairly quick election before the public turns on him. If they can't hold back the tide pushing for change now then perhaps Bishop can be a reasonable face while they can still excercise a fair bit of control in the background.

 

[QuietB]

It's all well and good saying Turnbull would be a popular PM and he might well be. But that's incredibly dangerous for the current coalition. An electorally successful PM has the ability to completely reshape a party. With Howard being so successful the party went from being a centre-right party to being a right wing party controlled by their right wing.

If you look at most of the front bench they're right wingers in safe seats. Sure Abbott's doing a terrible job but what do they have to gain by going to Turnbull? If Turnbull is successful then there's every chance the party shifts more towards the centre and their views become marginalised. Basically they become powerless in a powerful party perhaps voting for policies they don't agree with. Any challenge isn't just about electoral power but also internal party power. This is why Bishop becomes a compromise candidate that could be considered. Sure she's not from the real rabid right but she's probably less likely to be overwhelmingly popular and therefore less likely to be as dangerous as Turnbull. The other choice is Morrison who would be a like for like replacement for Abbott but without the personal hatred from the electorate. In that case they'd be hoping to get to the next election before the public realises he's as much of a campaigner as he really is.

But that is my point. When Howard got control of the Senate he implemented all of his right wing ideological policies that a hostile senate had kept at bay for his entire prime ministership. And as soon as he did implement those policies he was thrown out of government, and for an explanation mark got kicked out of his own electorate as well.

Abbott is Howard mach II - but except even less likable and certainly less patient. Again he is implementing the same bullshit platform and he is so arrogant he is trying to do it without even having control of the Senate. Again the Australian public are rejecting that platform.

So at some point the right wing that is controlling the Liberal party have to realise that their platform is being rejected.

Their alternative is to be a one term government and go back to opposition.

 

[Footy Smarts]

If Turnbull is keen, and I have no doubt that he would be, would he be better off waiting until after the budget? If it's like the last one, it will be about as popular as knob rot, and by publicly reversing some of the more unpopular and and ideologically hard right polices, he cements his reputation as the darling of the centre.

Better for him to get control now and have the budget be his centerpiece I think. If he's got the numbers now he should strike while he can because there's no guaranteeing he'll have the numbers later on.