State of Origin Ampol State of Origin 2023

[LukeParkerno1]

Can't disagree. Has to change it up for the next game.

Change it up meaning saying goodbye to the captain they pick Tedesco then QLD are laughing. He’ll run across field for 2 hours. Tedesco has been dreadful for the Roosters and the signs are there that he’s not the player of even 12 months ago let alone 2-3 years ago. I was shocked NSW were favourites had QLD a 6 point better side on paper.

On the game, everyone loves to rate Hass but yet another Origin game he went missing. I’m not a massive fan but Paulo was NSW’s best prop and that’s an issue right there.

Need two hookers as well this Hynes off the bench is silly either pick the bloke at 6 or don’t play him.

 

[Jatz]

Tedesco should be absolutely nowhere near that team. It was clear all season he's not the player he was, he should never have been picked.

Cleary poor but honestly, had Edwards been at FB, we probably win regardless of that.

Game 2 either needs Edwards in or move Latrell to FB, and keep Crichton/Graham at centre.

Outside of that, drop Hudson, actually play Haas for more than 30 mins and start Martin.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Tedesco should be absolutely nowhere near that team. It was clear all season he's not the player he was, he should never have been picked.

Cleary poor but honestly, had Edwards been at FB, we probably win regardless of that.

Game 2 either needs Edwards in or move Latrell to FB, and keep Crichton/Graham at centre.

Outside of that, drop Hudson, actually play Haas for more than 30 mins and start Martin.

Thought Cleary was okay but he was only middling, if I were to grade him maybe a 5.5 or 6/10, which is below his best but it's okay type of thing. Would actually go Mitchell at FB, just a gut feel but he brings his wingers into play but him or Edwards either or. Make a call between Hynes and Luai, and don't pick the worst option put the bloke on the bench with no role.

Agree on Martin starting. Think NSW need another impact forward off the bench, so maybe that Manly second rower Ola (the one with the long name) off the bench is worth a go. NSW also need another prop, and not TPJ who doesn't have a brain. Id personally go Jacob Safiti bit of a gamble but he has size and was brilliant last year for NSW.

 

[phantom13]

FWIW i mentioned Edwards over Teddy a week ago and got laughed at for it...

In any event, Teddys slip aside (and Crichton also slipped but isnt copping shit for it) i thought he was pretty solid at the back and the issue in attack arent his. Plus save for a freak defensive effort from Talaugi he scores and probably isnt even considered in the poor players list.

NSWs issues all stem from the Halves IMO. QLD had fresh wingers and not well know defensive wingers at that (Hammer and Holmes in particular) and NSW just never got any meaningful ball to them. Luai and Cleary werent bad but they werent particularly good either.

If Munster puts his fend on in a blue jumper Ado-Carr score. If DCE finds that 40-20 in a blue jumper its probably a different result.

Id absolutely drop Teddy dont get me wrong, i called for it last week, i just also dont think he was THAT bad.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

FWIW i mentioned Edwards over Teddy a week ago and got laughed at for it...

In any event, Teddys slip aside (and Crichton also slipped but isnt copping s**t for it) i thought he was pretty solid at the back and the issue in attack arent his. Plus save for a freak defensive effort from Talaugi he scores and probably isnt even considered in the poor players list.

NSWs issues all stem from the Halves IMO. QLD had fresh wingers and not well know defensive wingers at that (Hammer and Holmes in particular) and NSW just never got any meaningful ball to them. Luai and Cleary werent bad but they werent particularly good either.

If Munster puts his fend on in a blue jumper Ado-Carr score. If DCE finds that 40-20 in a blue jumper its probably a different result.

Id absolutely drop Teddy dont get me wrong, i called for it last week, i just also dont think he was THAT bad.

Why do you think the wingers never got ball, hint the FB is the next installment of a Paul Gallen. Tedesco refuses to pass the ball, he got away with it 2-3 years ago as firstly QLD'd's spine wasn't as good, but secondly his speed covered the deficiencies in not passing. Tedesco wasn't the only problem but he sure was a BIG problem.

 

[Jatz]

FWIW i mentioned Edwards over Teddy a week ago and got laughed at for it...

In any event, Teddys slip aside (and Crichton also slipped but isnt copping s**t for it) i thought he was pretty solid at the back and the issue in attack arent his. Plus save for a freak defensive effort from Talaugi he scores and probably isnt even considered in the poor players list.

NSWs issues all stem from the Halves IMO. QLD had fresh wingers and not well know defensive wingers at that (Hammer and Holmes in particular) and NSW just never got any meaningful ball to them. Luai and Cleary werent bad but they werent particularly good either.

If Munster puts his fend on in a blue jumper Ado-Carr score. If DCE finds that 40-20 in a blue jumper its probably a different result.

Id absolutely drop Teddy dont get me wrong, i called for it last week, i just also dont think he was THAT bad.

Teddy was the worst player on the pitch by a country mile. He's a handbrake in attack, he refuses to pass the football (including a pass that all but guaranteed a try when he was held up), his defensive work was mediocre at best. Was out jumped by a prop for goodness sake.

His club form has been beyond average, he just should never have been picked.

It's a bit of an oxymoron because the Panthers connection has struggled in the past but if you put Edwards in that spine, they win the game comfortably. Cleary/Luai/Edwards/Yeo make it work so well because they all know who has to touch the football and when. Yeo only touched it 21 odd times last night, he averages 37 for Penrith.

Ultimately it all comes back to Fittler being a very ordinary coach.

 

[phantom13]

Why do you think the wingers never got ball, hint the FB is the next installment of a Paul Gallen. Tedesco refuses to pass the ball, he got away with it 2-3 years ago as firstly QLD'd's spine wasn't as good, but secondly his speed covered the deficiencies in not passing. Tedesco wasn't the only problem but he sure was a BIG problem.

I think its a bit much to put alot of the blame on Teddy for that. The 6 and 7 direct where the ball goes.

He potentially could have passed once to Ado Carr and fair enough but Cleary kicked for the posts instead of the edges to isolate the wingers height advantage.

Again, im not suggesting he was good, i just dont think he was awful.

Holistically that was sort of NSW overall, everyone was just average at best and no one was a spark.

 

[phantom13]

Teddy was the worst player on the pitch by a country mile. He's a handbrake in attack, he refuses to pass the football (including a pass that all but guaranteed a try when he was held up), his defensive work was mediocre at best. Was out jumped by a prop for goodness sake.

His club form has been beyond average, he just should never have been picked.

It's a bit of an oxymoron because the Panthers connection has struggled in the past but if you put Edwards in that spine, they win the game comfortably. Cleary/Luai/Edwards/Yeo make it work so well because they all know who has to touch the football and when. Yeo only touched it 21 odd times last night, he averages 37 for Penrith.

Ultimately it all comes back to Fittler being a very ordinary coach.

This and the slips were bad, thats fair.

I think the rest of the time he was solid under the kicks and generally got some metres after catch (albeit he had alot of space cause you were always in your half).

The coaching was bad and Clear and Luai just did **** all with the ball to challenge QLD.

 

[Jatz]

This and the slips were bad, thats fair.

I think the rest of the time he was solid under the kicks and generally got some metres after catch (albeit he had alot of space cause you were always in your half).

The coaching was bad and Clear and Luai just did * all with the ball to challenge QLD.

He was never really tested under the high ball, most of his kick returns were just long kicks that were an easy 20m run back. The one big time he was tested, Lindsay Collins outjumped him.

Luai was actually alright, he's the non dominant half. Cleary was poor but as I said, throw Edwards at FB and straight away you'll see it all look a lot better. Teddy commands the ball and then does zero with it. There's no point to him throwing dummies, everyone knows he doesn't pass it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think its a bit much to put alot of the blame on Teddy for that. The 6 and 7 direct where the ball goes.

He potentially could have passed once to Ado Carr and fair enough but Cleary kicked for the posts instead of the edges to isolate the wingers height advantage.

Again, im not suggesting he was good, i just dont think he was awful.

Holistically that was sort of NSW overall, everyone was just average at best and no one was a spark.

To a degree sure but look at how Was moved the ball quickly to the wings and game them ball. You have a Ferrari on the wing in JAC, and he gets the ball what 7 times the match. The attack stopped at the fullback. Sure by all means pick him again and he'll be just as slow in game 2. He was ordinary at best. It's time for a more attacking FB that actually uses the ball. I'd actually consider Hynes at FB as well, another playmaker is a good thing.

 

[phantom13]

He was never really tested under the high ball, most of his kick returns were just long kicks that were an easy 20m run back. The one big time he was tested, Lindsay Collins outjumped him.

Luai was actually alright, he's the non dominant half. Cleary was poor but as I said, throw Edwards at FB and straight away you'll see it all look a lot better. Teddy commands the ball and then does zero with it. There's no point to him throwing dummies, everyone knows he doesn't pass it.

Again, to be clear i said Edwards should play last week, so i agree.

I just dont think Teddy was awful last night, two bad moments completely and im not saying he was good but in reality i think just about everyone in blue was a 5 and he was 4 i guess, myabe he was the worst but its close IMO.

I thought Cleary and Luai and probably Api just never ever looked at the weak spots and tested them.

You had ball in the 20 all night and just kept doing the same thing.

Anyway, it seems to be a very unpopular opinion about Teddy and i dont really care that much, frankly i hope he gets picked again.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He was never really tested under the high ball, most of his kick returns were just long kicks that were an easy 20m run back. The one big time he was tested, Lindsay Collins outjumped him.

Luai was actually alright, he's the non dominant half. Cleary was poor but as I said, throw Edwards at FB and straight away you'll see it all look a lot better. Teddy commands the ball and then does zero with it. There's no point to him throwing dummies, everyone knows he doesn't pass it.

If you were coaching against Tedesco rule number 1 should be "he won't pass so tackle him".

 

[Jatz]

To a degree sure but look at how Was moved the ball quickly to the wings and game them ball. You have a Ferrari on the wing in JAC, and he gets the ball what 7 times the match. The attack stopped at the fullback. Sure by all means pick him again and he'll be just as slow in game 2. He was ordinary at best. It's time for a more attacking FB that actually uses the ball. I'd actually consider Hynes at FB as well, another playmaker is a good thing.

Don't even need that. Edwards isn't a real ball user.

Just get a FB in that doesn't demand the ball away from the halves. Nicho wouldn't have looked any better at HB out there last night due to the same issues.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Don't even need that. Edwards isn't a real ball user.

Just get a FB in that doesn't demand the ball away from the halves. Nicho wouldn't have looked any better at HB out there last night due to the same issues.

To a degree. I do feel it's time to look at the best two attacking sides and they are souths and Cronulla. Penrith's attack has been clunky at best all season, year they have won but it's been on talent not their attack. No way Koroisau should have been picked on form either. Personally, pick Mitchell at fullback, Graham in the centres, and let the halves give Trell the ball that's all they need to do. I'd keep Luai at 6, drop Hynes, pick a second hooker on the bench.

 

[Jatz]

To a degree. I do feel it's time to look at the best two attacking sides and they are souths and Cronulla. Penrith's attack has been clunky at best all season, year they have won but it's been on talent not their attack. No way Koroisau should have been picked on form either. Personally, pick Mitchell at fullback, Graham in the centres, and let the halves give Trell the ball that's all they need to do. I'd keep Luai at 6, drop Hynes, pick a second hooker on the bench.

Hasn't been clunky all season.

They've had some lower scores but they've also had scores of 48, 44, 53. There's absolutely points in that spine.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hasn't been clunky all season.

They've had some lower scores but they've also had scores of 48, 44, 53. There's absolutely points in that spine.

Weren't those big scores against the bottom 4 sides though. The eye test is telling me the attack is quite clunky for most of the year and its been Cleary or and individual winning it. Don't think the answer is MORE blokes from a Penrith side that isn't that fluent this year.

Backline of

FB Mitchell
Wing JAC
Centre C Graham
Centre Crighton (Turbo is NOT fit)
Wing To'o
5/8 Luai
1/2 Cleary
Hooker Cook (Koroisau off the bench)

Just feel pick blokes in form, QQLD did it with Hammer even though I was sceptical there.

 

[moto748]

... and To'o?

 

[Jatz]

Weren't those big scores against the bottom 4 sides though. The eye test is telling me the attack is quite clunky for most of the year and its been Cleary or and individual winning it. Don't think the answer is MORE blokes from a Penrith side that isn't that fluent this year.

Backline of

FB Mitchell
Wing JAC
Centre C Graham
Centre Crighton (Turbo is NOT fit)
5/8 Luai
1/2 Cleary
Hooker Cook (Koroisau off the bench)

Just feel pick blokes in form, QQLD did it with Hammer even though I was sceptical there.

Canberra, Roosters, Manly.

The answer isn't particularly clear but I think I'd trust the Penrith spine (knowing they've played years together successfully) more than trying to create yet another combination with Latrell in the spine in a do or die.

 

[phantom13]

Mitchell was injured so im not sure why anyone mentions him for last night.

To me i dont rate Luai at all, gotta be better options at 6 for you.

Cook should still be the 9, hes just an origin player.

Edwards the fullback.

Cleary retains the 7 but he should be on notice.

 

[Jatz]

Mitchell was injured so im not sure why anyone mentions him for last night.

To me i dont rate Luai at all, gotta be better options at 6 for you.

Cook should still be the 9, hes just an origin player.

Edwards the fullback.

Cleary retains the 7 but he should be on notice.

Because he's expected to be fit for game 2.

I don't normally rate Luai but I think he keeps his spot off last night's performance.

I'd prefer Cook off the bench with Api starting. Cook's running game is far more valuable around the ruck with tiring forwards.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Canberra, Roosters, Manly.

The answer isn't particularly clear but I think I'd trust the Penrith spine (knowing they've played years together successfully) more than trying to create yet another combination with Latrell in the spine in a do or die.

I'm the other way, doing the same thing is insanity. It won't work. Latrell at fullback MIGHT be the X factor you need. Get a fullback that sets his centres and wingers up. I'd be happy enough with Edwards but it's a gut feel more than anything, don't see him working at Origin level. The other bloke I'm considering and hear me out is Cody Walker and at 5/8. Get halves in that set up tries, let Cleary do the kicking.

 

[phantom13]

Because he's expected to be fit for game 2.

I don't normally rate Luai but I think he keeps his spot off last night's performance.

I'd prefer Cook off the bench with Api starting. Cook's running game is far more valuable around the ruck with tiring forwards.

Yeh for a future game but people are still discussing if youd played him at fullback last night.

You couldnt, he wasnt available.

I think one of Luai or Cleary has to go and your not dropping Cleary.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Because he's expected to be fit for game 2.

I don't normally rate Luai but I think he keeps his spot off last night's performance.

I'd prefer Cook off the bench with Api starting. Cook's running game is far more valuable around the ruck with tiring forwards.

That to me was the biggest issue, this Hynes selection was a farce, either pick him at 6 or don't. Don't take a bob each way plonk him on a bench and expect him to play centre

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeh for a future game but people are still discussing if youd played him at fullback last night.

You couldnt, he wasnt available.

Tedesco was horrific but I did get them picking him last night. However right now NSW have lose 3 out of the last 4 Origins, feel it's time to make a change. Yeah everyone will say "but he's the captain, etc". Who cares get Cleary to captain might be the rocket he needs to perform for NSW consistently.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

... and To'o?

yep was doing it quickly sorry.