An honest appraisal of Carlton's 2005 AFL draft by The People's Champion

[blue gunslinger]

Brownlows are home and away awards, and he hasn't won more norm smiths than the entire hawthorn list. Think before you type, dude. You're embarassing yourself.

but I thought you never put worth on individual awards

 

[Hodgepodge]

but I thought you never put worth on individual awards

Just pointing out the irrelevancy of pharoah's comment.

 

[Hodgepodge]

No dude your the drop kick making a fool of yourself
Hodge has a norm smith and judd has one so they are on a par
Therefore judd is equal with the hawks

Judd is equal with hodge on that score. You said he had more than the entire side put together. Wrong.

As forbrownlows best player awards he has 2 and your last one was 13 years ago in shane crawford a long time between drinks also has 2 grand finals to his name, again more than the hawthorn playing list.

Again, how does a home and away award have anything to do with finals performance?

roff.

 

[pharoah]

At best you're putting up what you think is the truth, but it's clear from your last bizarre post that you don't know what you're talking about

Dude you are the most disliked and bizarre person on big footy, I know clearly what Im talking about, I would love to chat with you about these things in a pub or man to man and you would be speechless.

Forward line or half back I think i nominated him for. He's an accurate shot for goal and he has a very good outside game.
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His body strength and speed are weak spots and aspects in his career, would fail dismally if he played according to your standards.

Matthews is incomparable, I wasn't comparing him to Matthews.

No actually you did compare him to matthews in late of matthews career which is pitifuil given you have wronged yourself over and over in big footy, you really are a deluded human being.

Ummm, Yarran is already so much faster than Mitchell that it doesn't matter if he gets slower. Bad example. Also Mitchell's pace isn't what you should be focusing on here because he is already a slow player.

exactly why I mentioned the topic, you used mitchells chances of playing in the forward pocket in the twilight of his career and I thought well pace would be a factor for him so that is a flawed piece of argument you raised altogether.

Take some of your own advice mate. Your last two posts have been a laugh.

Not your mate I would say the same thing to you also, seems you contradict yourself quite abit.
Alaugh is good for the soul, you every post is a laugh.

 

[winty]

The performance of Rioli in finals doesn't rely on your memory.

In every final but one he's been up to the standard he set in the home and away season of that year. We can't say the same for finals flop Judd.

So you are saying Rioli had an abysmal 2011 season, as his finals performances were horrendous.

 

[pharoah]

Just pointing out the irrelevancy of pharoah's comment.

Which proves how many times your posts have been irrelevant also.
hmmm I wonder,

 

[pharoah]

So you are saying Rioli had an abysmal 2011 season, as his finals performances were horrendous.

Thats exactly what Im friggen talking about with this f...n t...r when it suits his needs he mentions cyrils season as a whole and then contradicts himself down the track.

 

[pharoah]

Judd is equal with hodge on that score. You said he had more than the entire side put together. Wrong.

either he is on par or he has more, but he doesnt fall short, so no not wrong.

Again, how does a home and away award have anything to do with finals performance?

roff.

Let me work it out.
Brownlow medals and their significance.
Akermanis, Black, Voss, Swan, Judd, Goodes, Riccuitto, Cousins, Ablett, Bartel, Wanganeen, Williams all premiership players of the last 20 years as well as brownlow medallists.
Notice how I failed to mention the meaningless ones???
Crawford, dipper and platten seen as you undervalue brownlows so much
Rofl

 

[Subliminal_Revolution]

^ Not sure if actual Collingwood supporter...

I like him. He's actually someone who embraces the facts of a rival team. Top bloke : )

 

[Hodgepodge]

So you are saying Rioli had an abysmal 2011 season, as his finals performances were horrendous.

God you're dumb.

The one poor final was in 2011, and the statement excepted that performance as the one poor final of his career, therefore 2011 was obviously not on par with his home and away season.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Let me work it out.
Brownlow medals and their significance.
Akermanis, Black, Voss, Swan, Judd, Goodes, Riccuitto, Cousins, Ablett, Bartel, Wanganeen, Williams all premiership players of the last 20 years as well as brownlow medallists.
Notice how I failed to mention the meaningless ones???
Crawford, dipper and platten seen as you undervalue brownlows so much
Rofl

What?

None of this explains the relevance of Brownlows to finals performance, which was the point you commented on.

I'm serious. Have a think before you post.

 

[pharoah]

I like him. He's actually someone who embraces the facts of a rival team. Top bloke : )

I love the pies and broke down when the margin was blown out to 25 points in the last term, But I give credit where its due, the blues 4 years ago were staring bankruptcy and were about to become a thing of the past and I remember feeling a hollow emotion that it would be pointless without them as it would only bring rivalry for the pies on anzac day against the bombers.
Our greatest rival is carlton and I am enjoying their climb up the ladder, It makes me feel like the 70s and 80s coming of age all over again, only this time we have broken the drought with last year and hope to better it next year.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Just pointing out the irrelevancy of my stain threads.

edited for accuracy

 

[winty]

God you're dumb.

The one poor final was in 2011, and the statement excepted that performance as the one poor final of his career, therefore 2011 was obviously not on par with his home and away season.

What about his game in the Prelim? Wasn't he the player jogging through the midfield looking like a stunned mullet in the dying stages before being wrapped up in a brilliant tackle by Dale Thomas?

Who knows? If he actually disposed of the ball to one of his teammates running past the Hawks might've been able to score another goal and qualify for another grand final. Guess we'll never know now though, will we?

 

[pharoah]

What?

None of this explains the relevance of Brownlows to finals performance, which was the point you commented on.

I'm serious. Have a think before you post.

Are you a d...head??
no really are you???
The brownlow medal signifies the best players to have played the game as I mentioned earleir, these players have carried their teams over the line and through to premierships.
Just a few names that were brownlow medallists and norm smith medallists.
Judd, Williams, Buckley, Black, Hird, Bartel, all brownlow medallists and norm smith medallists.
It means they perform right through from home and away and finals.
When has hodge, mitchell or franklin done so????

 

[winty]

Leaving aside that it can't be purely about premierships, Varcoe shat himself in all but one grand final. He's lucky he had Leon Davis as an opponent.

Rioli has had one bad final out of 7. That's a better record than most.

Not required, just look at the stats. 1 poor final.

Fremantle final is not included due to first quarter injury.

It's funny that you talk about Cyril's supposed superior records in finals performances compared to Varcoe. I did a bit of number crunching, and Varcoe's averages in finals are actually better than his averages in H&A games, while Cyril's numbers in finals actually decrease:

Rioli's H&A averages: 15.76 possessions, 1.23 goals, 4.59 tackles
Rioli's Finals averages*: 15 possessions, 1.16 goals, 2.67 tackles

Varcoe's H&A averages: 13.38 possessions, 1.13 goals, 3.43 tackles
Varcoe's Finals averages: 14.41 possessions, 1.16 goals, 2.91 tackles

*And since I know you will try and argue that Cyril's averages are diminished due to the Freo final when he got injured, I went to the liberty of ignoring that game when doing my calculations, otherwise his finals averages would be 13.8 possessions, 1 goal and 2.57 tackles.

 

[pharoah]

What about his game in the Prelim? Wasn't he the player jogging through the midfield looking like a stunned mullet in the dying stages before being wrapped up in a brilliant tackle by Dale Thomas?

Who knows? If he actually disposed of the ball to one of his teammates running past the Hawks might've been able to score another goal and qualify for another grand final. Guess we'll never know now though, will we?

Hey aside from his early term domionance against your mob in the first qualifyer, what happened???
He went missing after quarter time, didnt feature too strongly against the swans, more franklin carried them through, and did absolute stuff all in the prelim.
Which takes us back to 2010 against the dockers, well the whole hawthorn team went missing, goback 2 years to their flag and thats where it was his last worthy final.
Hodgepodge is an argumentative p...k.

 

[winty]

Hey aside from his early term domionance against your mob in the first qualifyer, what happened???
He went missing after quarter time.

The only reason he got enough space to take the mark and kick the goal in the first few minutes of the game was because Enright slipped when changing direction.

Had to laugh when in the 2nd term he got agro, tried to take on 3 opponents and got pinged for holding the ball. Was the last I saw of him for the night too after that.

 

[Hodgepodge]

What about his game in the Prelim? Wasn't he the player jogging through the midfield looking like a stunned mullet in the dying stages before being wrapped up in a brilliant tackle by Dale Thomas?

That's just your spin on things... don't confuse it with reality.

Who knows? If he actually disposed of the ball to one of his teammates running past the Hawks might've been able to score another goal and qualify for another grand final. Guess we'll never know now though, will we?

There were no teammates ahead or running past. Essentially he was the furthest forward. Again, you're trying to find an angle rather than judging the performance. 1 holding the bal decision doesn't sum up a player's game.

 

[blue gunslinger]

That's just your spin on things... don't confuse it with reality.



There were no teammates ahead or running past. Essentially he was the furthest forward. Again, you're trying to find an angle rather than judging the performance. 1 holding the bal decision doesn't sum up a player's game.

Fraser Brown begs to differ

 

[Hodgepodge]

It's funny that you talk about Cyril's supposed superior records in finals performances compared to Varcoe. I did a bit of number crunching, and Varcoe's averages in finals are actually better than his averages in H&A games, while Cyril's numbers in finals actually decrease:

Haha, no shit Sherlock, Varcoe played his first final in his second season, whereas Rioli played half his finals in his debut year. Not to mention possessions and goals are a poor way of comparing these two. i.e. Varcoe and Rioli are similar in terms of possessions and goals, yet Rioli is the superior player when comprehensive stats are used.

I'm not going to bother checking your numbers, they are at this point irrelevant.

Varcoe's been a dud in countless finals now, you know that. 7 disposals in his QF this year is worse than ANY final Rioli has played, including the final against Freo where he was taken off in the first quarter

 

[kreuze_missile]

Marc Murphy (Pick 1, picked himself.)
Josh Kennedy (moved on, kicked Carlton out of the finals)

Thanks for the thread Hodgepodge, further strengthening my argument that that Wayne Hughes is incapable of making a bad 1st round selection.

Also, isn't this the draft that Pelchen took Xavier Ellis at #3, Dowler at #6 and Birchall at #14? I'd love to hear your thoughts on these three

 

[Hodgepodge]

Thanks for the thread Hodgepodge, further strengthening my argument that that Wayne Hughes is incapable of making a bad 1st round selection.

We can't all have No.1 picks every year. Suffice to say that even with the Dowler headstart, Hawthorn won the 2005 draft-off with carlton.

 

[kreuze_missile]

We can't all have No.1 picks every year. Suffice to say that even with the Dowler headstart, Hawthorn won the 2005 draft-off with carlton.

How do you figure? Hawthorn traded the best player they drafted in 2005 for nothing (Ben McGlynn) but kept all the other plodders. With 4 picks in the top 22 including 3 first round selections, and 12 selections in total, its quite funny that the only AFL grade player Pelchen netted was Birchall.

Carlton have out-drafted Pelchen every single year he was in charge at Hawthorn. If you want to continue the discussion make a thread on the main board about it, I won't waste my time with you on a forum where you can just make up utter shit

 

[Hodgepodge]

How do you figure? Hawthorn traded the best player they drafted in 2005 for nothing (Ben McGlynn) but kept all the other plodders. With 4 picks in the top 22 including 3 first round selections, and 12 selections in total, its quite funny that the only AFL grade player Pelchen netted was Birchall.

One of the draft picks from the trade of McGlynn got Ben Stratton, so it was hardly for nothing. Birchall, Guerra, Gilham, Bailey, Ellis from that draft. Carlton have Marc Murphy and Hampson.

Carlton have out-drafted Pelchen every single year he was in charge at Hawthorn.

No fair-minded footy fan would take Murphy/Hampson over Birchall, Ellis, Bailey and a young Gilham and Guerra. 2005 draft goes to Hawthorn.