Opinion Andrew Gaff's hit - should we introduce a red card system?

[Saintly Viewed]

I dont understand the 'Good Character' defence, like it carries weight into somewhat forgiving the act itself - which could physically and emotionally have caused permanent damage to an 18 year-old kid.

Doesn't fly with me.

This ^

Might be a nice guy, so what.
Be nicer and don’t punch.

 

[Chameleon75]

Yes they will.

And for each such fade they can spend a year on the sidelines thinking about it.

The introduction of video evidence reduced the number of “brain fades”.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The introduction of video evidence reduced the number of “brain fades”.

Sure has.

But that’s pure coincidence

 

[CFC2010]

I dont understand the 'Good Character' defence, like it carries weight into somewhat forgiving the act itself - which could physically and emotionally have caused permanent damage to an 18 year-old kid.

Doesn't fly with me.

It is used in a court of law.

It should be applicable in this case IMO.

It’s ok if you don’t see it that way.

 

[CFC2010]

Yes they will.

And for each such fade they can spend a year on the sidelines thinking about it.

Disagree mate.

 

[RunByThePool]

This thread is about introducing a red card for Gaff's action, not the penalty that was given. Still very much against the AFL making any decisions. They stuff up the fixture, they stuff up the goal review system, they stuff up hands in the back and everything else. While in theory, a red card system seems to make sense, the AFL HQ will screw it up.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

It is used in a court of law.

It should be applicable in this case IMO.

It’s ok if you don’t see it that way.

Yeah we're just talking its all good lol.

Just never flown with me.

Seized him up, delivered a roundhouse, un-suspectingly, 100m off the ball, breaks his jaw and smashes his teeth........

'But I'm a good guy so don't penalise me too harshly'.

Meanwhile, Brayshaw will experience months of physical pain & suffering, and who knows, may never emotionally/mentally feel the same again. Ask Neville Bruns...

 

[BringouttheGimp]

I dont understand the 'Good Character' defence, like it carries weight into somewhat forgiving the act itself - which could physically and emotionally have caused permanent damage to an 18 year-old kid.

Doesn't fly with me.

Spot on. I hope he recovers well.

Why not eliminate the punch all together.. are players intimidated by the chest punch? Watching De Goey.. players are just intimidated by his size.. skill.. the way it should be.

 

[Black_White]

Haven’t read the whole thread. Assume someone has noted this already.
The Gaff punch was not seen by the umpires.
So how do they hand out a red card?
Ludicrous.

 

[TheSierBear]

'The last 48 hours have been the toughest of my life' Gaff.

This incident doesn't make Gaff a bad person. He made a mistake, he's now going to serve his time.

The guys not a criminal and he hasn't gotten into a fight outside a pub. He's not the same chracter as the thug in Frankston who elbowed the innocent civilian unprovoked. He's playing a physical sport, where you're trained, coached, mentored to push the lines. I've no doubt he tried to punch him in the chest and stuffed it up. For that, I feel empathy for him, of course more empathy is reserved for Brayshaw, but I still have empathy for how this has affected Gaff.

He deserves eight weeks, but in the context of it all, yes his good character has to be taken into account when making a judgement of him as a person, or perhaps more accurate, taking his good character into perspective.

I hope all parties can recover from all of this as it's just been an awful time for all involved.

 

[CFC2010]

Yeah we're just talking its all good lol.

Just never flown with me.

Seized him up, delivered a roundhouse, un-suspectingly, 100m off the ball, breaks his jaw and smashes his teeth........

'But I'm a good guy so don't penalise me too harshly'.

Meanwhile, Brayshaw will experience months of physical pain & suffering, and who knows, may never emotionally/mentally feel the same again. Ask Neville Bruns...

I agree with most of that mate.

Argued with people today he should have been sent off if that rule was applicable.

I just don’t think 12 months is warranted........just my opinion.

My point is when the next Gaff reaches that point he won’t be thinking about the 12 month penalty.

 

[CFC2010]

Haven’t read the whole thread. Assume someone has noted this already.
The Gaff punch was not seen by the umpires.
So how do they hand out a red card?
Ludicrous.

3rd umpire decision

 

[Leviathan Pie]

I agree with most of that mate.

Argued with people today he should have been sent off if that rule was applicable.

I just don’t think 12 months is warranted........just my opinion.

My point is when the next Gaff reaches that point he won’t be thinking about the 12 month penalty.

I agree, 12 months is excessive.

I thought 10 should have been the minimum, myself.

 

[Anzacday]

Haven’t read the whole thread. Assume someone has noted this already.
The Gaff punch was not seen by the umpires.
So how do they hand out a red card?
Ludicrous.

You're assuming the on-field umpire hands them out.

 

[Black_White]

You're assuming the on-field umpire hands them out.

Well, in country footy, which does have red cards, they are the only ones who hand them out.

 

[CanadianPie]

Well, in country footy, which does have red cards, they are the only ones who hand them out.

Is there a team penalty as well in country footy? Is it like soccer where they down a man for the rest of the game?

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Out of curiosity.. what type of mouth guard was Brayshaw wearing? One off the counter or a custom made dental one?

You'd think clubs would make custom made dental mouthguards compulsory right?

 

[CFC2010]

Out of curiosity.. what type of mouth guard was Brayshaw wearing? One off the counter or a custom made dental one?

You'd think clubs would make custom made dental mouthguards compulsory right?

Pretty sure he didn't buy it from K-mart re.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Pretty sure he didn't buy it from K-mart re.

I'm sure there's a few of em out there with those Kmart jobs re.. kids playing in the junior leagues as well I'd say majority of em would have Kmart jobs. Not good

 

[CFC2010]

I'm sure there's a few of em out there with those Kmart jobs re.. kids playing in the junior leagues as well I'd say majority of em would have Kmart jobs. Not good

My kids are under 10's and they don't have them.

No way at the AFL level re.

 

[left at home]

No for red cards, to hard to get right, deserved the eight weeks though, may be lucky it was not more. Was surprised the incident involved Gaff to be honest.

 

[Kirby]

How frickin lucky are the Tigers after all this???

Their biggest threat for the flag, West Coast, have lost 2 of their star players for the rest of the year, in the last 3 weeks. It's now almost impossible to see the Eagles win.

Tigers are truely kissed on the doodle.

 

[jackcass]

But let's say a John Greening incident happens. Surely there has to be a mechanism in place to evict that player from the game. I know these sort of incidents have only happened so rarely throughout history, but they can happen, particularly when you have players in the heat of battle a bit hot under the collar. All I'm saying is that umpires do need to have that alternative in the most extreme of circumstances.

Doubt we'll ever see a Greening type incident, it was a different era. No coach or player would be party to it.

 

[Robroy22]

Doubt we'll ever see a Greening type incident, it was a different era. No coach or player would be party to it.

Being there and witnessing the Greening HIT (it was a targeted King-hit) I don't think having Jimmy O'Dea "red carded" would have made any difference to anyone at the ground. Yes our players sought retribution during the game and yes the crowd "Booed and Hissed at O'Dea" for the entire game but what would sending him off do? Hide him from everyone? Save HIM?

To my mind O'Dea should have been called to public account for his actions. His suspension seemed to placate the media and then the stories just became about JG's recovery and how unlucky he was to miss the Brownlow!
O'Dea should have had to answer public questioning on TV so that the truth could have come out at the time. Alan Jeans was never going to fess up...O'Dea should have been made to.

I'm a no to red cards in our game. They come from soccer and basketball and sports that don't have the "mateship" element that our game has. The fact that 15 Freo guys shook Gaff's hand after the game shows that they knew he didn't mean what had happenned. No-one shook O'Dea's hand, he wasn't even out there at the end of the game.

 

[Schraderbrau]

People keep throwing around these emotive terms but isn't the maliciousness or cruelty of an action directly linked to the intent of the individual? Doesn't it presume some level of preconception? How is an umpire meant to know what that intent is in an in-game situation. There's 3 instances which I think you can make a case for a send-off, the Hall case, the Bugg case, and this instance. In each of them though I challenge anyone to prove there was any preconceived malicious or cruel intent. You certainly can't assess that purely by looking at the outcomes. I don't know any of those blokes so I can't attest to their characters but sometime good people just do stupid things. This isn't a John Greening type scenario where a player was (allegedly) directed to take someone out, these were all spontaneous actions.

not sure if sirious