Andrew Mackie

[Exhale You]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

i think he really needs to be moved up field, maybe to a wing.

Absolutely.
I've long maintained that Mackie's best position would be that of an attacking wingman, where his natural gifts would be best suited.

It's fair to say i'm not an Andrew Mackie fan but i recognise he has some unique talents that definitely have a role in our best 22, however it's not good for anyone to have him playing key defence or even being asked to do a job on a medium forward.

Get him up the ground and let him play a game that suits his style, his body and his ability.

 

[Sarah2Donohue]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

IMO, Mackie's best position/role is what he's been doing for years. A constant of our back 6, honest, reliable & a v/good link player. He looks good on the wing, but only due to the fact he presses forward with the positive assumption his fellow defenders will win the ball - hence an uncontested possession. As VC states, he can be a concern in a physical contest situation.

I'm personally not overly comfortable with disecting elements of player form (although someone with the initials of TH has been worrying me all season), with the view of reaching absolute perfection. I certainly do not subscribe to Mackie's form warranting this threads existence.

At worst, I'm fairly sure he's in the mix for a probable rotational plan in the upcoming winter period, whether it's via Sub or "general soreness".

 

[The Gee Spot]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

I'm not a big Mackie fan either but I do accept he is a needed Geelong player at the mo. Who else would we put there if you do drop him? I'm not sure there are any immediate walk up starts at the moment anyway! What I do like is the idea maybe getting him beyond our defensive fifty because to me he is a receiver of the ball after it has been won then uses his natural skill to pass it on by foot further on up the ground.
What I am really interested in after reading through this discussion is what will Essendon do when we play them?!!!!!!! (Assuming Mackie play's) Given that Thompson has detailed info re Mackie's strengths and weaknesses etc and HAS dropped him before on performance! My guess is that they will put a big bruiser on him early to physically bump, harass and force him to think twice about putting in after the ball and stuff up more often than not!
We'll wait and see. But I'd rather he didn't play or played further up the ground because of above!

 

[The rabbi]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Gawd, don't associate me with meto

It could have been worse, _ME_ thinks.

 

[you pick one]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

The forward press has taken away Mackies space and time in the backline and there for his effectiveness.

 

[Partridge]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

I'm not a big Mackie fan either but I do accept he is a needed Geelong player at the mo. Who else would we put there if you do drop him?

Here's a backline without Mackie:

B: Milburn - Scarlett - Lonergan
HB: Enright - Taylor - T.Hunt

Plus Wocjinski, Josh Hunt and even Kelly if required. Nothing wrong with those options. Height, strength, experience, skill and pace in abundance.

 

[bulletproof]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Here's a backline without Mackie:

B: Milburn - Scarlett - Lonergan
HB: Enright - Taylor - T.Hunt

Plus Wocjinski, Josh Hunt and even Kelly if required. Nothing wrong with those options. Height, strength, experience, skill and pace in abundance.

I can't believe people who watch Geelong play every week genuinly believe that Taylor Hunt is a better player than Mackie at the respective stage of their careers. Quite staggering really.

 

[Sarah2Donohue]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Best not to rate who is "better" player. Everyone has differing strength & weaknesses, roles to play, etc etc. It all comes down to the weekly opposing team's list and the type of player required for each opponent.

All any individual player can do is produce their best, in line with the coaching panel's instructions.

To that end, I doubt Mackie's overall form should be questioned.

All that said, Taylor Hunt needs to be in our best 22 and IMO deserves it. We need to have numerous rotational options through all areas of the lineup, not just through the centre.

 

[David the Cat]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Best not to rate who is "better" player. Everyone has differing strength & weaknesses, roles to play, etc etc. It all comes down to the weekly opposing team's list and the type of player required for each opponent.

All any individual player can do is produce their best, in line with the coaching panel's instructions.

To that end, I doubt Mackie's overall form should be questioned.

All that said, Taylor Hunt needs to be in our best 22 and IMO deserves it. We need to have numerous rotational options through all areas of the lineup, not just through the centre.

Perfectly summarised.....great post

 

[meto]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Finally those two blockheads DF and VC have worked it out, Mackie should play wing, hooray! I finally think you've got it!
Instead of 25 possessions he'll be getting us 30+, and the geniuses wanted him dropped?

 

[jimmy.h]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Instead of 25 possessions he'll be getting us 30+, and the geniuses wanted him dropped?

Based on what?

Across the league this year only Boyd, Mitchell and Swan average over 30 touches a game. Ablett and Watson who are two of the greatest ball accumulators in the game average only 29.

Mackie (like a lot of a backmen) gets a significant number of his possessions as the team work the ball out of the backline. Playing up the ground he will not be able to do this.

The reason I would like to see Mackie on the wing has little to do with him being able to win more possessions (in fact I would probably be happy for him to get less possessions). I believe his strong points (making space forward of the ball, kicking long and direct) could be better utilised in that position.

 

[Furious_G]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

It's not a bad idea, considering his gangly frame, he has a long kick on him. Him and J Hunt in the middles used similarly to Dew at Hawks 2008 would be interesting.

 

[CatFan79]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

I believe his strong points (making space forward of the ball, kicking long and direct) could be better utilised in that position.

The forward press has made it almost impossible for players to find space forward of the ball (unless there's a turnover) so I don't understand why people keep suggesting Mackie will be so awesome off the wing.. Its 2011, not 2007..

Above all else Mackie needs to improve his contested abilities, build core strength so he can ride a tackle and actually learn how to apply physical pressure to opponents when they have the ball..

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Finally those two blockheads DF and VC have worked it out, Mackie should play wing, hooray! I finally think you've got it!
Instead of 25 possessions he'll be getting us 30+, and the geniuses wanted him dropped?

Wut? Me?
Wrong guy chief.

 

[Phenotype]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Coming from a neutral, I think Mackie needs to spend a week or two in the 2's. He was one of my favourite outside-RFC players (my daughter also thinks he's cute, hahaha) and whilst I thought he was pretty good last year he has been having an ordinary, error-ridden season. He should be doing so much better

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Finally those two blockheads DF and VC have worked it out, Mackie should play wing, hooray! I finally think you've got it!
Instead of 25 possessions he'll be getting us 30+, and the geniuses wanted him dropped?

ummm, can you read? i never said he should be dropped.

Wut? Me?

Wrong guy chief.

he is your mate!!!

 

[meto]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

ummm, can you read? i never said he should be dropped.



he is your mate!!!

DF, your posts regarding player Mackie are far from positive to say the least, and since this thread is 'Mackie must be dropped' it could be assumed that you are for the proposition.
Could that be not concluded?

DF, I think you're VC's mate, you seem to do a lot of talking together.

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

DF, your posts regarding player Mackie are far from positive to say the least, and since this thread is 'Mackie must be dropped' it could be assumed that you are for the proposition.
Could that be not concluded?

DF, I think you're VC's mate, you seem to do a lot of talking together.

you obviously have comprehension issues, i stated that he shouldnt be dropped, although i do have issues with his positioning in contests.

maybe vc and i are one in the same person....cue twighlight music.

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

The forward press has made it almost impossible for players to find space forward of the ball (unless there's a turnover) so I don't understand why people keep suggesting Mackie will be so awesome off the wing.. Its 2011, not 2007..

Above all else Mackie needs to improve his contested abilities, build core strength so he can ride a tackle and actually learn how to apply physical pressure to opponents when they have the ball..

Pretty insulting comment about the core strength etc. Do you really believe our fitness and coaching staff would allow and tolerate a player with pp core stability and tackling strength to continue playing?

 

[David the Cat]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

I personally don't see any problem with Mackie on a wing. He's not slow, he has a good pair of hands, and a very long kick to break the press...he doesn't mind a goal from distance either...and he converts pretty well.

I was critical of his delivery by foot against Fremantle, but he seems to have worked on that, with kicking efficiency up since then.

A better option on a wing than in defence in my view.

 

[meto]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Pretty insulting comment about the core strength etc. Do you really believe our fitness and coaching staff would allow and tolerate a player with pp core stability and tackling strength to continue playing?

Best response to the anti-macks' so far!!!!!!!
I also agree with DTC.

 

[David the Cat]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Best response to the anti-macks' so far!!!!!!!
I also agree with DTC.

Bloody hell

 

[CatFan79]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

Pretty insulting comment about the core strength etc. Do you really believe our fitness and coaching staff would allow and tolerate a player with pp core stability and tackling strength to continue playing?

Insulting? haha who are you his mother? Mackie does not have good core strength.. Are you trying to argue this point?

All fitness staff can do is give the guy a program and monitor his progress, they can't build the strength for him..

Sounds like you don't want to acknowledge where he clearly needs to improve..

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

I personally don't see any problem with Mackie on a wing. He's not slow, he has a good pair of hands, and a very long kick to break the press...he doesn't mind a goal from distance either...and he converts pretty well.

in a clinton young esque way banging em from 50!!!

 

[CatFan79]

Re: Mackie MUST be dropped

in a clinton young esque way banging em from 50!!!

Yeah how is Clinton Young going these days? Great ball user but can't find space like he used to, his poor defensive game has been exposed and struggles to get a kick and use it well under pressure.. Sound familiar?