News Andrew Thorburn is retaining legal counsel for wrongful termination by the Essendon Football Club. NOW WITH BIG BANGS

[Chief]

Posts arguing about the validity of transgender people and abortion and all that stuff are being moved. Stick to the topic please.

Thread bans will start tonight for people who cannot stay on topic.

Essendon Football Club CEO Announcement.

Further news:

• New Bombers boss responds to backlash after appointment that ‘spits in the face of every queer Essendon member’
• New Essendon CEO, Andrew Thorburn, involved in church expressing homophobic, anti-abortion views
• Victorian Premier Andrews slams absolutely appalling views of new Essendon CEO'S church
• New Dons CEO to lead 'inclusive' club despite divisive church links

• Thorburn resigns... Essendon Club Statement
• AFR article - paywalled

 

[The Falcon Strike]

The bigotry you displayed when you claimed there is some difference between the AFLW woman and the other players and Thorburn.

You guys think you are clever, but you're not. You are see through.

Maybe re-read what I wrote

On the contrary - i see the issue between the AFLW woman, Manly players and Thorburn all being very similar in nature

The outrage though appears only on 2 of those maters.

I think you might find the bigotry is somewhere far more uncomfortable for you

 

[Ricketz]

Maybe re-read what I wrote

On the contrary - i see the issue between the AFLW woman, Manly players and Thorburn all being very similar in nature

The outrage though appears only on 2 of those maters.

I think you might find the bigotry is somewhere far more uncomfortable for you

I know what you were implying mate. No need to reread that garbage.

As usual, back tracking from your position is to be totally expected.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I know what you were implying mate. No need to reread that garbage.

As usual, back tracking from your position is to be totally expected.

hahahahahah

I actually think you believe it

 

[Ricketz]

hahahahahah

I actually think you believe it

No, I am evidence based. I don't believe in things that are not real.

 

[Chief]

Maybe re-read what I wrote

On the contrary - i see the issue between the AFLW woman,

Who - although its a crappy attitude - declined to play.

Manly players

Who demanded to play but refused to wear the team jersey.

and Thorburn all being very similar in nature

Thorburn holds a high office in an organisation which spouts hatred.

The outrage though appears only on 2 of those maters.

Many people have appeared outraged at all three.

Read some online abuse here:

Muslim AFLW player refuses to wear pride jumper, sits out game

Greater Western Sydney player and practising Muslim Haneen Zreika will not play this weekend after deciding not to wear the team’s pride jumper on religious grounds.

www.news.com.au

So the conclusion is that no, it's not just about Christians.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Many people have appeared outraged at all three.

Not the holier than thou twitterati though

 

[The Falcon Strike]

So the conclusion is that no, it's no just about Christians.

I am sure you believe that too

 

[Ricketz]

I am sure you believe that too

Persecution complex

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I am sure you believe that too

if Christians want to claim they are the dominant cult, then they should be happy to cop the most criticism.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

if Christians want to claim they are the dominant cult, then they should be happy to cop the most criticism.

I missed where that is claimed? Other than of course that every religion does that. It's sort of their schtick

As an anthiest - i just find it interesting how some sections of the community treat members of one religion and not another - for the same views.

Also as an atheist who was raised through catholic schooling, i also see much of the hypocrisy of christianity. I also don't understand how highly intelligent rational beings think there must be a creator. However, i don't judge them for that.

However we either have laws that protect a right to religion or we don't.

If people want them banned - come out and say so.

But to lay into one religion and not others makes one a massive hypocrite.

 

[Soggy2112]

I missed where that is claimed? Other than of course that every religion does that. It's sort of their schtick

As an anthiest - i just find it interesting how some sections of the community treat members of one religion and not another - for the same views.

Also as an atheist who was raised through catholic schooling, i also see much of the hypocrisy of christianity. I also don't understand how highly intelligent rational beings think there must be a creator. However, i don't judge them for that.

However we either have laws that protect a right to religion or we don't.

If people want them banned - come out and say so.

But to lay into one religion and not others makes one a massive hypocrite.

There is no double standard.

Zreima accepted that the club was wearing the jumper whether she agreed with it or not and chose not to play.

The Manly players expected the club to not wear the jersey because they disagreed with it.

Thorburn expected the club to let him hold two conflicting roles.

The difference in these scenarios is not the religion they belong to, but rather the behaviour of the religious people.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I missed where that is claimed? Other than of course that every religion does that. It's sort of their schtick

As an anthiest - i just find it interesting how some sections of the community treat members of one religion and not another - for the same views.

Also as an atheist who was raised through catholic schooling, i also see much of the hypocrisy of christianity. I also don't understand how highly intelligent rational beings think there must be a creator. However, i don't judge them for that.

However we either have laws that protect a right to religion or we don't.

If people want them banned - come out and say so.

But to lay into one religion and not others makes one a massive hypocrite.

No, it’s the christians that display worse behaviour, compared to other religions.

They are also the most snowflakey, which is somewhat amusing.

 

[JoondalupJ]

How many beers in were you when you posted this?

I'd ask you the same thing when you posted that, you can't understand the depth of what I said , there was a grave mistake made by those who should know better. You have to walk in the room, not watch through the window.
You seriously don't know what I was saying??? Nah your having a joke?

 

[JoondalupJ]

There is no double standard.

Zreima accepted that the club was wearing the jumper whether she agreed with it or not and chose not to play.

The Manly players expected the club to not wear the jersey because they disagreed with it.

Thorburn expected the club to let him hold two conflicting roles.

The difference in these scenarios is not the religion they belong to, but rather the behaviour of the religious people.

How would you know he held two conflicting roles, he belonged to a church that holds ancient laws and beliefs that are written down and also followed to a tee, by a very very small group of fanatics, whose brains are in the 7th century.

Thorburn actually was trying to set up a gay pride day inside his company, NAB, he has no inkling of showing any kind of homophobic behaviour,
what some fanatic from the same church thinks is absolutely nothing to do with Thorburn!

Just some wild assumption from a very uninformed Essendon person or people, and also an assumption that Andrews also mistakenly made.
On Essendon's behaviour.
So when they had a Muslim player in their club they could have sacked him too yes? For some Islamic writings?

You see you are right, its not about religion, it is about foolish uneducated assumptions made by hierarchy at Essendon and by the unstable, in my opinion, Premier of Victoria .

These unaware people have committed an act of illegal discrimination, over religion. Will they get kicked for it, doubtful the wokery will jump in and help watch!

Now there'll be some smarty lawyer that can twist the actual wording and event, to make it sound OK but the public know its not OK.

And Thorburn might lose or win a case of suing Essendon, for wrongful dismissal, but the technicalities could save Essendon I would think he deserves a PAYOUT .

Think on this , I know several gay people and I know for a fact that some or at least two, are Catholics. How do we deal with that, kick them out or just disband that church totally, over this subject not the other things the Church has over looked we're talking about discrimination of a Christian, which leads to the same ideal against every religion of the mainstream.
People have to watch their mouths' and beware of breaking a law.

Andrews obviously didn't know, and may have to answer for it, hopefully.

 

[JoondalupJ]

The public own the ABC.

The LNP have controlled it as a public asset for the last 9 years FFS!!

Fair dinkum mate how indoctirnated are you. The Public do own the ABC the most biased left wing green advocators in the country, and YES WE SUCKERS PAY FOR IT, were you in Australia from last year to May, do you follow commentary.Maybe you better look closer, FFS!!!!!!

 

[TheBigHorne]

Fair dinkum mate how indoctirnated are you. The Public do own the ABC the most biased left wing green advocators in the country, and YES WE SUCKERS PAY FOR IT, were you in Australia from last year to May, do you follow commentary.Maybe you better look closer, FFS!!!!!!

ok

 

[The Falcon Strike]

No, it’s the christians that display worse behaviour, compared to other religions.

They are also the most snowflakey, which is somewhat amusing.

Just to be clear - Christians are worse than other religious followers ?

 

[Gough]

Just to be clear - Christians are worse than other religious followers ?

Christians have been the self appointed moral guardians in this country for a long time now, that's why they're held to higher standards here.

 

[Soggy2112]

How would you know he held two conflicting roles, he belonged to a church that holds ancient laws and beliefs that are written down and also followed to a tee, by a very very small group of fanatics, whose brains are in the 7th century.

Thorburn actually was trying to set up a gay pride day inside his company, NAB, he has no inkling of showing any kind of homophobic behaviour,
what some fanatic from the same church thinks is absolutely nothing to do with Thorburn!

Just some wild assumption from a very uninformed Essendon person or people, and also an assumption that Andrews also mistakenly made.
On Essendon's behaviour.
So when they had a Muslim player in their club they could have sacked him too yes? For some Islamic writings?

You see you are right, its not about religion, it is about foolish uneducated assumptions made by hierarchy at Essendon and by the unstable, in my opinion, Premier of Victoria .

These unaware people have committed an act of illegal discrimination, over religion. Will they get kicked for it, doubtful the wokery will jump in and help watch!

Now there'll be some smarty lawyer that can twist the actual wording and event, to make it sound OK but the public know its not OK.

And Thorburn might lose or win a case of suing Essendon, for wrongful dismissal, but the technicalities could save Essendon I would think he deserves a PAYOUT .

Think on this , I know several gay people and I know for a fact that some or at least two, are Catholics. How do we deal with that, kick them out or just disband that church totally, over this subject not the other things the Church has over looked we're talking about discrimination of a Christian, which leads to the same ideal against every religion of the mainstream.
People have to watch their mouths' and beware of breaking a law.

Andrews obviously didn't know, and may have to answer for it, hopefully.

If you’re at chairman of an organisation are you not responsible for what that organisation does?

One of the church’s main aims is to spread Christianity, their particular edition of Christianity preaches that homosexuality is a sin. Essentially, if they have their way more people, not less are going to believe being gay is morally wrong.

That purpose is completely at odds with Essendon’s aim to promote inclusiveness of all sexuality in football. He would in one role be responsible for promoting gay pride, while in another role responsible for the opposite. No matter what his personal opinion on the matter is, by keeping his senior leadership role in the church he is responsible for what it preaches.

Again, it’s not about him being Christian, it’s not about his personal beliefs, it’s not about his membership to his church.

It’s about him holding two senior leadership roles with completely opposing values on a key issue, take religion out, would that be allowed in any other situation? No, so why should it be different because one is a religious organisation?

Ablett and Kennedy weren’t kicked out of the league, and there would likely be 100s of Christians still employed in the AFL. Stop acting like this is some mission to eliminate religious people from the game.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Just to be clear - Christians are worse than other religious followers ?

In Australia, yes.

 

[Ricketz]

if Christians want to claim they are the dominant cult, then they should be happy to cop the most criticism.

It's a bit rich to cry victim when they hold anti-abortion rallies, try to stop people from getting married because they want to feel superior, make a big culture war over pronouns, or deny the validity of transgendered people.

They seem to want to offer these backward opinions without any opposition to their flaws.

It's a grown up world that isn't ruled by a theocracy any more, and freedom of speech doesn't exclude freedom of consequence.

 

[Ricketz]

I missed where that is claimed? Other than of course that every religion does that. It's sort of their schtick

As an anthiest - i just find it interesting how some sections of the community treat members of one religion and not another - for the same views.

Also as an atheist who was raised through catholic schooling, i also see much of the hypocrisy of christianity. I also don't understand how highly intelligent rational beings think there must be a creator. However, i don't judge them for that.

However we either have laws that protect a right to religion or we don't.

If people want them banned - come out and say so.

But to lay into one religion and not others makes one a massive hypocrite.

You are the one who tried to say there is some bias towards Christians over other religions. You introduced the concept here and got called out for it.

We just had ten years of a government that dog whistled Muslims and tried to prevent same sex couples from being recognised on the same level as heterosexual couples - all in the name of Christian values. We are repeatedly, falsely told by culture warriors at Murdoch that our country was built on them. You must have selected hearing.

I want them banned. From public discourse and discriminating based on fairy tales and charlatans preaching hate and division from behind the cloak of a pulpit.

All of them.

I would love to see their indoctrination of children from the womb and in tax payer funded schools banned as well.

If you don't contribute to all of society, and only your chosen sect, then you don't have much skin in the game and shouldn't expect anyone to grant you special favours.

They can be free to believe whatever they want to believe in the privacy of their own home, but it's ridiculous to expect we tolerate their bigotry and anti-factual ideology. All of the religions.

 

[Daniel B]

Thorburn holds a high office in an organisation which spouts hatred.

I must have missed something. Did they picket funerals with signs saying "God hates f**s?
Or did they just call something sin which is clearly called sin in the Bible, while making clear that they still value the people whose behaviour the Bible identifies as sinful?
Also in the Bible: "For all have sinned, and fall short of God's glory."
I think you are confusing identifying sin with hatred. CoaH has a very orthodox view of sin and salvation in which they make clear that all people need to repent of their sin, including people who indulge in sexual deviancy. It's not a hateful statement. Disagreeable to many, but not hateful.

 

[Daniel B]

I would love to see their indoctrination of children from the womb and in tax payer funded schools banned as well.

Believe it or not, you are actually seeking to indoctrinate children with your own viewpoints. There is no such thing as a belief-free education. What you emphasize and de-emphasize will influence children's belief systems (which they will most likely question as they grow older).

You would have children believe that the Bible is a bunch of "fairy tales" - tell me, when was the first fairy tale written, historically? That's indoctrination. If that's what you want, be up-front and honest about it. But don't pretend you don't want children indoctrinated: you do, just according to your own belief structure.

I would prefer my taxes to fund schools that reflect my belief system instead. For me, that would involve banning tax-payer funded secular schools (i.e. all state schools at present). Are your taxes somehow more important than mine?

 

[Ricketz]

How would you know he held two conflicting roles, he belonged to a church that holds ancient laws and beliefs that are written down and also followed to a tee, by a very very small group of fanatics, whose brains are in the 7th century.

Thorburn actually was trying to set up a gay pride day inside his company, NAB, he has no inkling of showing any kind of homophobic behaviour,
what some fanatic from the same church thinks is absolutely nothing to do with Thorburn!

Just some wild assumption from a very uninformed Essendon person or people, and also an assumption that Andrews also mistakenly made.
On Essendon's behaviour.
So when they had a Muslim player in their club they could have sacked him too yes? For some Islamic writings?

You see you are right, its not about religion, it is about foolish uneducated assumptions made by hierarchy at Essendon and by the unstable, in my opinion, Premier of Victoria .

These unaware people have committed an act of illegal discrimination, over religion. Will they get kicked for it, doubtful the wokery will jump in and help watch!

Now there'll be some smarty lawyer that can twist the actual wording and event, to make it sound OK but the public know its not OK.

And Thorburn might lose or win a case of suing Essendon, for wrongful dismissal, but the technicalities could save Essendon I would think he deserves a PAYOUT .

Think on this , I know several gay people and I know for a fact that some or at least two, are Catholics. How do we deal with that, kick them out or just disband that church totally, over this subject not the other things the Church has over looked we're talking about discrimination of a Christian, which leads to the same ideal against every religion of the mainstream.
People have to watch their mouths' and beware of breaking a law.

Andrews obviously didn't know, and may have to answer for it, hopefully.

They aren't ancient laws and they don't follow them anyway. It's a prosperity church that sprung up because it is a tax haven. Their literal interpretation is selective, they pick and choose which bits they like to follow.

The book has been re-written and reinterpreted countless times, rejigged to suit a narrative. Included texts where cherrypicked by a cabal of powerful men and those that didn't suit their narrative were discarded.

What a classic, patronising example you use to finish off with. What do you do with those gay people in the church? You fight for their right to be included and accepted. You push to have those hateful laws overturned. You judge them based on the quality of their love, not on the subject of it. Like people did with the abhorrent canon that tortured women when their children died in still birth or before baptism.

But you won't. Because it's convenient for you to have someone to look down upon, so you can feel more pious.