Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Gavin Excell]

Where can Labor turn for ideas on how to win the Australian election? How about Mexico?

The ALP could follow the Mexican example where an incumbent won an election in a cost-of-living crisis by combining radical policies with symbolic measures

www.theguardian.com

Food for thought (although I’m not sure why Australia - 13th largest economy in the world - shouldn’t be comparing itself to Latin American economies like 10th largest Brazil, and 15th largest Mexico).

Go bold Albo.

It's prob too late to go bold before an election which is only a month or so away from being called

Perhaps this was the long term strategy, a quiet first term before a bold and decisive second term

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Where can Labor turn for ideas on how to win the Australian election? How about Mexico?

The ALP could follow the Mexican example where an incumbent won an election in a cost-of-living crisis by combining radical policies with symbolic measures

www.theguardian.com

Food for thought (although I’m not sure why Australia - 13th largest economy in the world - shouldn’t be comparing itself to Latin American economies like 10th largest Brazil, and 15th largest Mexico).

Go bold Albo.

Because they're some of the only places in the world where the political left are doing well right now from a position of incumbency. It's not a coincidence that they embraced bold moves and remain popular, AMLO/Sheinbaum and Lula are not wishy-washy neoliberals like Albanese, Biden and Starmer.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It's prob too late to go bold before an election which is only a month or so away from being called

Perhaps this was the long term strategy, a quiet first term before a bold and decisive second term

Steven Miles went bold two months before the election from a far worse place in the polls. It didn't save his government but they retained far more seats than the doomsday scenario many were predicting. If he'd been in less of a hole, it might have fully got him out of it. Albanese has that opportunity but he'll likely squander it.

 

[Todman]

Consistent with incumbent governments across the world in an inflationary environment

The problem for Gen Z is that they never lived with inflation before. Labor allowed the Inflation genie out of the bottle and they waited too long to put him back in.

 

[Bloods86]

The problem for Gen Z is that they never lived with inflation before. Labor allowed the Inflation genie out of the bottle and they waited too long to put him back in.

Please go look at an inflation graph.

You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[peetoo]

Where can Labor turn for ideas on how to win the Australian election? How about Mexico?

The ALP could follow the Mexican example where an incumbent won an election in a cost-of-living crisis by combining radical policies with symbolic measures

www.theguardian.com

Food for thought (although I’m not sure why Australia - 13th largest economy in the world - shouldn’t be comparing itself to Latin American economies like 10th largest Brazil, and 15th largest Mexico).

Go bold Albo.

They don’t have he Murdoch influence there.

There countless countries who extract a much fairer and higher price for resource extraction, we could follow them too.

We really are simps for global capital

 

[Gralin]

Biden 1 term

That would be why I said most not all

Biden had 4 years though

Albo will hasn't had 3 yet and has managed to absolutely tank it

 

[Gavin Excell]

That would be why I said most not all

Biden had 4 years though

Albo will hasn't had 3 yet and has managed to absolutely tank it

I wouldn't say Albanese government has been a bad one, more just a meh one

 

[Gralin]

I wouldn't say Albanese government has been a bad one, more just a meh one

If the end result is one term and Dutton in power then they've been bad

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

If the end result is one term and Dutton in power then they've been bad

There's not much he's going to be remembered for

• Silica ban - IMO the best thing to come out of this government but banning the 2000's version of asbestos isn't controversial
• Right to disconnect - not a bad idea but a very mild reform
• PBS cost savings - as above
• Energy rebates and cost caps - not much more than putting a band aid over a structural issue

Status quo is very much the same as it was when he arrived.

 

[Gralin]

There's not much he's going to be remembered for

• Silica ban - IMO the best thing to come out of this government but banning the 2000's version of asbestos isn't controversial
• Right to disconnect - not a bad idea but a very mild reform
• PBS cost savings - as above
• Energy rebates and cost caps - not much more than putting a band aid over a structural issue

Status quo is very much the same as it was when he arrived.

Which is the problem

People will just go back to the coalition if Labor aren't going to do anything

Look at Trump, how much has he already changed in the first few days?

Funny how the so called conservatives have no problem enacting the changes they want but the so called progressives can't find the will to do much of anything

It's almost like their real primary purpose is to stop real change from happening

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Which is the problem

People will just go back to the coalition if Labor aren't going to do anything

Look at Trump, how much has he already changed in the first few days?

Funny how the so called conservatives have no problem enacting the changes they want but the so called progressives can't find the will to do much of anything

It's almost like their real primary purpose is to stop real change from happening

Hopefully this puts to bed the argument that you should never talk reform or policy upheaval during the campaign because you don't want to spook the electorate. It's complete bullshit, if a political party isn't going to stick their neck out when it matters they're definitely not going to do it after they've already got your vote.

The other problem is that entre left parties like the ALP don't want to admit there are winners and losers in politics and for somebody to win, somebody else has to lose or at least feel like they've lost. Conservatives have no issue understanding this and they act accordingly. You just don't win votes with righteousness.

 

[Gralin]

Hopefully this puts to bed the argument that you should never talk reform or policy upheaval during the campaign because you don't want to spook the electorate. It's complete bullshit, if a political party isn't going to stick their neck out when it matters they're definitely not going to do it after they've already got your vote.

The other problem is that entre left parties like the ALP don't want to admit there are winners and losers in politics and for somebody to win, somebody else has to lose or at least feel like they've lost. Conservatives have no issue understanding this and they act accordingly. You just don't win votes with righteousness.

I don't believe there's much if anything left of the labor left at any level in the party that matters

They're not pro union or pro worker

Their economics are neoliberal

They're captured by special interests as much as the coalition

It's a different religious branch largely in charge but conservative Catholics hold the power in the party

People still think they're labor of 50 years ago but they're labor in name only much like the liberal party

 

[JackOutback]

How is the average punter expected to understand what, if any, good legislation Labor introduced if supposedly politically aware posters in this thread either don't know or won't acknowledge policy changes? kranky al had a good list of new legislation that took effect Jan 1 and people are still posting that they haven't introduced anything. Any comments on the new legislation at all?

 

[AvantGardener]

I don't believe there's much if anything left of the labor left at any level in the party that matters

They're not pro union or pro worker

Their economics are neoliberal

They're captured by special interests as much as the coalition

It's a different religious branch largely in charge but conservative Catholics hold the power in the party

People still think they're labor of 50 years ago but they're labor in name only much like the liberal party

Spot on.

However, Dutton has addressed this in an interview very recently. He has specifically said he wishes to reconnect with original values and steer away from big corporations and get back to small business and allow the every day Aussie to have aspiration. His $30K Instant Asset Write Off and $20K Entertainment deductibility pledges made last week do show their may be some substance behind those words.

 

[Gralin]

Spot on.

However, Dutton has addressed this in an interview very recently. He has specifically said he wishes to reconnect with original values and steer away from big corporations and get back to small business and allow the every day Aussie to have aspiration. His $30K Instant Asset Write Off and $20K Entertainment deductibility pledges made last week do show their may be some substance behind those words.

If you believe that you're a fool

They'll say anything to get into power

Like the car parks for train stations they promised before Morrison got elected that they then didn't deliver on

 

[Gavin Excell]

There's not much he's going to be remembered for

• Silica ban - IMO the best thing to come out of this government but banning the 2000's version of asbestos isn't controversial
• Right to disconnect - not a bad idea but a very mild reform
• PBS cost savings - as above
• Energy rebates and cost caps - not much more than putting a band aid over a structural issue

Status quo is very much the same as it was when he arrived.

Amending stage 3

 

[AvantGardener]

If you believe that you're a fool

They'll say anything to get into power

Like the car parks for train stations they promised before Morrison got elected that they then didn't deliver on

I did say may be some substance. Given his pledges around IAWO and Entertainment this is some substance.

Thats a weird example to use given the countless examples on both sides of politics.

 

[Gralin]

I did say may be some substance. Given his pledges around IAWO and Entertainment this is some substance.

Thats a weird example to use given the countless examples on both sides of politics.

If you think Dutton has small business ahead of big business in his plans because he said one thing then again

You're a fool.

 

[AvantGardener]

If you think Dutton has small business ahead of big business in his plans because he said one thing then again

You're a fool.

Where did I say that?

I paraphrased what Dutton said.

Then said it may have some substance.

 

[Gralin]

Where did I say that?

I paraphrased what Dutton said.

Then said it may have some substance.

Keep arguing that Dutton is in it for the little guy because he said so then

 

[Goroyals22]

Well albo’s given up on interest rates .. to much for the little battler


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[SBD Gonzalez]

Is Albo destined to be a one-term PM?

What is the legacy of the first (and perhaps only) term of the Albanese government? The loss of the Voice seems to have frozen his appetite for reform.

www.smh.com.au

I have close to zero time for George Brandis but find it hard to disagree with much in this piece.

 

[Bloods86]

Well albo’s given up on interest rates .. to much for the little battler


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What would you like him to do in regards to interest rates?

 

[kickazz]

Dutton is still very much a lightweight. Normally an incumbent shouldn't go on the attack, but it's Albo gets aggressive I don't think Dutton has much in the cupboard