Are Port over doing it

[demondavey]

That is the great unknown and the punt they are taking, do they continue on as they have for ten years, is it just how they are????

You'd think if your coach, captain and football manager publicly dressed you down for being half arsed, you'd want to arrive at your new home with a better attitude.

You're right, it is the great unknown. For the sake of the remainder of your career and some good earning potential you'd pull your socks up. If not, then Old Brighton Grammarians might be the better fit for Jack with a couple of jars at Milano's on the Brighton foreshore post game with your old school mates.

 

[simba_]

But the massive changes to the list are they needed ?

Yes

 

[simba_]

<nonsense>

you're the worst

 

[thephenom]

Port have done a fantastic mini rebuild to their list over the trade period. Have also moved on and delisted well. Impressed. Moving in the right direction.

 

[master bate]

I was thinking more across a series of games if ryder is injured, given they lost lobbe & trengrove (sp?) this off season.

just look at your own club this season.

either way i'll be watching closely to see if the brutal port can become more consistent, the wins against carlton & gc in china were merciless.

Melbourne were fine without Gawn, the problem was when he came back he wasn't in great form.

Most clubs are in the same boat. Adelaide - what do we really know about Reilly O'Brien. GWS - Dawson Simpson. Rich - Hampson/Soldo.

 

[Power Raid]

The Key though is who below you will improve, along with who above you will drop, all teams are striving to improve

I'd "hope":
- watts is an improvement on trengove in the forward capacity
- motlop is an improvement on impey on the hf line
- rockcliff an improvement on ahcee

the sun has already set on boak and sadly probably now gray with his medical challenge. but hopefully we will see improvement in wingard, spp, wines, bonner, howard etc

Our lack of speed through the middle and slow transition is a concern. along with the tougher draw than last year but hopefully we will see a net improvement.

Port's only hope of a flag next year is getting into the 8 and seeing what happens. but I guess it worked for richmond and the doggies and the likelihood of another Cats/ Hawks type juggernaut, in the league from any team, is not on the radar for 2018.

 

[marty36]

you're the worst

Thanks for your contribution so insightful

 

[SterlingArcher]

I think they've done well so far. I think the talk of looking at McKenzie, Mullett and Thomas is getting a bit too much. You'd look at Mullett for depth to Pittard/DBJ but why would he choose a club he'd be depth at, and the other 2 have no upside whatsoever.

Have to be careful not to load the list with a bunch of these 250-400k players. They've gotten rid of a few, I'd now look to replace them with draftees and go the Hawthorn route of let them develop in the SANFL, meanwhile the likes of Atley, Marshall, Frampton move up from being 'developed in the SANFL' to genuine AFL depth.

 

[marty36]

I'd "hope":
- watts is an improvement on trengove in the forward capacity
- motlop is an improvement on impey on the hf line
- rockcliff an improvement on ahcee

the sun has already set on boak and sadly probably now gray with his medical challenge. but hopefully we will see improvement in wingard, spp, wines, bonner, howard etc

Our lack of speed through the middle and slow transition is a concern. along with the tougher draw than last year but hopefully we will see a net improvement.

Port's only hope of a flag next year is getting into the 8 and seeing what happens. but I guess it worked for richmond and the doggies and the likelihood of another Cats/ Hawks type juggernaut, in the league from any team, is not on the radar for 2018.

I still think the doggies was a deadset fluke and top 4 is so important to have a real crack

If Gray can mainatin his output, he isnt going to get much better but hes pretty damn good

Boak I feel can improve and the others will or should improve you, watts is probably the most unreliable

But like I said St Kilda and Melbourne would be hoping thier youngsters continue to develop and improve which is where they will get improvement from espicially melbourne with the inclusion of Lever and Oliver and Petracca will only get better, then you have Essendon in a similar boat escpecially if Daniher goes to the mext level. GWS could improve they had serious injury problems last year and a quality list, Geelong are not dissimilar to Port with G Ablett, he could do anything or he could also fail. Richmond you would expect get better. Adelaide are reliant on Gibbs to improve them and the rest to maintain their output so not dissimlar to Port although starting from a stronger base. Sydney are Sydney who knows they are there every year. Hawthorn could take it up with more from Omeara and the likes of Burton and Mitchell getting better and more out of rioli

So many things could go right and wrong but improvement from our own teams will be gauged against our oppositions improvement

 

[branedotorg]

Melbourne were fine without Gawn, the problem was when he came back he wasn't in great form.

Most clubs are in the same boat. Adelaide - what do we really know about Reilly O'Brien. GWS - Dawson Simpson. Rich - Hampson/Soldo.

don't disagree, just noting that they've loaded up on read-to-go flankers and mids but thinned out on rucks by letting 2 average senior ruckman leave.

think they'll be a better team for it in the near future, injuries apart.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Not sure if bringing in one champ and two hot and colds (while also losing a key defender) is the Big roll of the dice that everyone is making it out to be.

Rocky is a gun and if he stays on the park they’ll be a much better side for it.

The others will dominate when Port is up and about, but I’ve got my doubts that motlop and watts are going to grind out the tough wins when the momentum is with the opposition.

Hard to tell what impact losing trengrove will have. Clubs set up pretty differently these days in defense - but he just seemed like a reliable player that got the job done consistently.

 

[boondy]

Port lost Trengove and Impey and AhChee. Brought in Watts and Motlop and Rockliff
. They pretty much have gone backwards

 

[La Dispute]

Not sure why they'd entertain trading Thomas, who's cooked and McKenzie, who's always been overrated and one-dimensional.

Otherwise it makes sense to load up and try to jag a flag with the list they've got. Always thought their bottom 4-5 players were on the average side - then again, Richmond's premiership team had plenty of average players in it so who knows?

 

[Ron The Bear]

I like Port's list, but there seemed to be a couple of cylinders not firing for much of the year. Unless they sort out the problems, I don't think more quality alone will do it.

 

[schmuttt]

They literally gave up pick 31 and cap space for three best 18 players. Every club would do the same in their situation.

 

[marty36]

They literally gave up pick 31 and cap space for three best 18 players. Every club would do the same in their situation.

Why is watts top 18 in their team but not yours?

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Lobbe 500k
Impey 400k
Trengove 400k
Monfries 250k

That’s 1.55mil so the other combined 7 only needed to be paid 40k or less to equal the 1.8mil that came in..

Yeh, those other 7 guys clearly weren't averaging 250k per season each.
Probably cleared around 2 mil of cap space, and if reports are accurate, brought in around 1.6 mil.

I still like what Port Adelaide have done, I just don't see the point in acting like Port have tremendous salary cap flexibility. They clearly won't (Unless their players contracts didn't allow for the CBA increase, in which case, well played Port)

 

[schmuttt]

Why is watts top 18 in their team but not yours?

Watts has barely played VFL for years, it was a wakeup call to drop him rather than not seeing him in our best 22 going forward.

 

[Chad WinGOAT]

Yeh, those other 7 guys clearly weren't averaging 250k per season each.
Probably cleared around 2 mil of cap space, and if reports are accurate, brought in around 1.6 mil.

I still like what Port Adelaide have done, I just don't see the point in acting like Port have tremendous salary cap flexibility. They clearly won't (Unless their players contracts didn't allow for the CBA increase, in which case, well played Port)

We were one of the only clubs that did not have CBA % increases for our players.

Offloading both Lobbe and Trengove now puts us in a situation that we can actually grab a big name FA next year too!

The comments on here bagging Port’s salary cap are exaggerated and wishful thinking at best.

 

[Noobz0r]

The others will dominate when Port is up and about, but I’ve got my doubts that motlop and watts are going to grind out the tough wins when the momentum is with the opposition.

I don't think we have recruited them for this purpose. Rocky undoubtedly adds to the cake, but Watts and Motlop are infinitely better cream than Impey / Amon etc. You don't need 22 hard nosed players who are there to grind a win each week.

 

[Jade]

yes port went close to a preliminary final this year

Wait wut.

 

[Jade]

Improving the list with 3 best 18 players 2 blokes U26.

Smart list management, gave up nothing.

They appear (just a feel, not a fact) to have thought they were being clever by not including the CBA increase in contracts, but have then utilised that cash by making some questionable recruiting decisions.

Will it work? It might, but I doubt it.

 

[marty36]

Watts has barely played VFL for years, it was a wakeup call to drop him rather than not seeing him in our best 22 going forward.

You usually get dropped for non performance, not because the way you walk around the club, guess things are different at Melbourne

 

[schmuttt]

You usually get dropped for non performance, not because the way you walk around the club, guess things are different at Melbourne

He was traded because of his work ethic off field, he was dropped because he was out of form.

 

[marty36]

He was traded because of his work ethic off field, he was dropped because he was out of form.

Out of form not performing whats the difference