Are Port over doing it

[marty36]

Watts was dropped because he came back from a hamstring too early, not sure how that is different to Jenkins if you think he is also best 18.

Then traded out because he's really a superstar



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[beema limapep]

Anything less than a GF is a failure

Sounds strangely familiar....just cant quite put my finger on it

 

[GreyCrow]

Sounds strangely familiar....just cant quite put my finger on it

Port supporters parroted it at Crows fans all year. Seems they dont like or believe it coming back

 

[Power Raid]

I like Port's list, but there seemed to be a couple of cylinders not firing for much of the year. Unless they sort out the problems, I don't think more quality alone will do it.

I look at us on paper and think, that's not a bad list or line up. On the park though, it simply wasn't working last year against the better sides.

I can't help but notice how slow we are in attack and even worse in defence. The tough bit is our better players/ leaders like Wines and Trengove are examples of too slow. We traded Trengove out but what to do with Wines? Forward pocket?

 

[Mundusa]

I look at us on paper and think, that's not a bad list or line up. On the park though, it simply wasn't working last year against the better sides.

I can't help but notice how slow we are in attack and even worse in defence. The tough bit is our better players/ leaders like Wines and Trengove are examples of too slow. We traded Trengove out but what to do with Wines? Forward pocket?

I'm sure we could offload Wines to a team like Carlton.

 

[Tas]

As long as the present doesn't significantly compromise the future, then go for it.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I look at us on paper and think, that's not a bad list or line up. On the park though, it simply wasn't working last year against the better sides.

I can't help but notice how slow we are in attack and even worse in defence. The tough bit is our better players/ leaders like Wines and Trengove are examples of too slow. We traded Trengove out but what to do with Wines? Forward pocket?

A guy like Hartlett on $500K x 5 - a good player's money. Has the tools, looks the part, just doesn't deliver reliably for mine. Just an OK player.

Port to me seem to have a lot of talented fringe players who for whatever reason don't take the next step, including the released Ah Chee, Impey and Young. I'll add Amon, Sam Gray and Neade. They're "almost" players and must frustrate the hell out of the supporters.

In 2014 the full potential of a young list seemed to have been unlocked. Port needs somehow to flick that switch again.

 

[Farm Boy]

Port will do better than Adelaide next year I reckon.

I would agree with that.

 

[Mundusa]

The crows haven't lost their structure, speed of ball movement or class up forward. They were the best team this year by a margin.

I'd like to be optimistic about my team but I don't see where they fall enough next season.

 

[sonnywalters]

They are facing a situation where many of their key players are at the back end of their careers. For the last few years they have been trying to build a premiership team but the clock is ticking so they have decided to attempt to buy a premiership team.

The equation is pretty simple, they either win a flag in the next 3-4 years or they face a decent sized rebuild. However, if they get lucky with their recruiting they may avoid a full rebuild or rebuild at all. They still have a few young players that have more to give and 5+ years in the tank.

Salary cap may be the biggest issue.

Port have delisted/retired/traded 11 players. Lets say on average those players were on $300k. That's $3.3 million in space lifted.

Funny maths.
Do you replace them with 11 players on zero?

 

[docko911]

The crows haven't lost their structure, speed of ball movement or class up forward. They were the best team this year by a margin.

I'd like to be optimistic about my team but I don't see where they fall enough next season.

Except they weren’t....

Funny maths.
Do you replace them with 11 players on zero?

BigFooty maths

These spuds were paid 300k a year so we have a billion cap space for these guns but these new spuds we had to bring in to fill the list play for free.

Simple maths would highlight that Port have gone all out and there would be some contracts with big $$$ backloaded to allow everyone to fit in.

Dixon, Boak, Hartlett, Wines, Ebert, Westhoff, Gray, Wingard would all be pushing 500k. Add their 3 new recruits averaging at least 500k and you have over 5.5mil in cap space gone on 11 players but probably 6.5mil or more. If that were true, the remaining 29 senior list players would be on less than 200k on average. Given most best 22 players are likely to be somewhere between 200-400k, I can’t imagine there is much in the tank.

 

[schmuttt]

Then traded out because he's really a superstar



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Now you're just getting petty, I haven't said anywhere that he is a superstar but he is a solid player and better than any 2nd tall fwd option Port have.

 

[JPetro83]

They'll win the flag next year

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[JPetro83]

yes port went close to a preliminary final this year and consider themselves in a premiership window
But the massive changes to the list are they needed ? Rocky , watts and Motlop are all great gets but they are linked to many more , for a start are they needed ??? Seems mad to me !

*Port went close to making a semi final this year

 

[JPetro83]

If they sign the DFA's I've heard they're signing then yes.. they're over doing it. Only Rockliff (if fit) is a good pick up.. Watts and Motlop will have moments but the jury is out on them. Hopefully they flop

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

*Port went close to making a semi final this year

Well that was slow, 7 pages, bet he hadn’t heard that one yet

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Lobbe 500k
Impey 400k
Trengove 400k
Monfries 250k

That’s 1.55mil so the other combined 7 only needed to be paid 40k or less to equal the 1.8mil that came in..

Trengove was on significantly more than $400K, which further supports you have freed up plenty of cap space with particularly him & Lobbe gone.

You are still paying some of Lobbe's salary, but Dees are paying even more if Watts.

 

[Mincho]

Port are weak through the middle.

Not getting anywhere near it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'd "hope":
- watts is an improvement on trengove in the forward capacity
- motlop is an improvement on impey on the hf line
- rockcliff an improvement on ahcee

the sun has already set on boak and sadly probably now gray with his medical challenge. but hopefully we will see improvement in wingard, spp, wines, bonner, howard etc

Our lack of speed through the middle and slow transition is a concern. along with the tougher draw than last year but hopefully we will see a net improvement.

Port's only hope of a flag next year is getting into the 8 and seeing what happens. but I guess it worked for richmond and the doggies and the likelihood of another Cats/ Hawks type juggernaut, in the league from any team, is not on the radar for 2018.

No doubt the 3 ins improves Poet's best 22 as all upgrades. Imo Trengove whilst better player than Watts is not suited as as a forward & Watts will be a far better forward option for the balance of the side.

The issue now is depth as have traded out many fringe types.... which is why your chasing experienced DFA's with a lack of early draft picks.

Port will easily make the finals with a good injury run as have too much talent, but vulnerable if they get significant injuries as lack depth.

 

[Mincho]

Port Lost to West Coast on their own patch - a West Coast line up without a recognised ruckman and an sub standard midfield.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Not really sure why the Crazy Vossy line is being thrown out. Voss brought in established spuds like Staker, Buchanan, Raines etc. We’ve brought in 3 blokes who will all be Best 18, all the while losing nothing of note and shedding Lobbe’s contract. Apples and oranges.

 

[Del165198]

I look at us on paper and think, that's not a bad list or line up. On the park though, it simply wasn't working last year against the better sides.

I can't help but notice how slow we are in attack and even worse in defence. The tough bit is our better players/ leaders like Wines and Trengove are examples of too slow. We traded Trengove out but what to do with Wines? Forward pocket?

Wines in a forward pocket.. are you ken?

 

[MarcusP2]

Port are weak through the middle.

Not getting anywhere near it.

A first-22 midfield group of Rockliff, Wines, Ebert, Ryder, Wingard/Gray rotational, Boak, Powell-Pepper feeding out to Polec/Motlop seems pretty strong to me.

 

[Power Raid]

Wines in a forward pocket.. are you ken?

Wines is decent in the middle on paper but when you see him jogging along behind a player with the ball, struggling to put pressure on the opposition, as he is too slow highlights we have an issue. If it was just wines that was one paced in our midfield, it wouldn't be an issue but RGray and Boak are also plodders.

Some say our problem is a lack of depth but anyone who looks at squad will see we have our bases covered. Our problem is actually our best players not having the attributes, required for the midfield, of the game played today. The dogs and Tigers show it's all about pace and pressure where our squad was pulled together and based on the Freo big bodied midfield from a few years back.

Rotating Neade, Wingard, SPP and Motlop through the midfield will address this issue but that means Wines, Boak and Ebert will need to improve their forward skills as all three can't be in the middle at the one time.

 

[PowerForGood]

Port Lost to West Coast on their own patch - a West Coast line up without a recognised ruckman and an sub standard midfield.

Did you watch the game?
We didnt lose it in the ruck (won the hitouts comfortably) or in the midfield (won possessions comfortably) or in field play (won the inside 50's comfortably) or in scoring opportunities (26 scoring shots to 18).

We lost it because we didn't deliver into forward well (intercept marking domination by WC) and when we did we didn't kick straight (10.16 to 12.6). ie not good enough to win.

I could put that analysis on repeat because its the same way we lost to WC earlier in the year (12.15 to 15.7, 68-39 inside 50's).