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I was more confused with your prediction that Carlton would lose 2 finals in a row if they made Top 4. I'm assuming you're not trolling, so I'm confused as to how you would know this.
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I was more confused with your prediction that Carlton would lose 2 finals in a row if they made Top 4. I'm assuming you're not trolling, so I'm confused as to how you would know this.
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Basically they aren't good enough.
As you said in another post, they raided a couple of top 4 teams with pace. Collingwood belted them both times we played them.
Regardless of personnel, which I don't rate by the way, the game plan that Ratten has will not win finals.
A spankingly dumb statement! Over the last two years the Top 4 has been the same. We've beaten three of those sides; the one we haven't being Collingwood (but we beat them twice in 08').
No wonder you select Collingwood as the only way I could make my claim. If that single Top 4 team had been someone esle, no doubt they would be the ones Carlton have to beat for me to make that claim.
As for Fremantle, we lost to them at Subi by a kick. If that's not matching it, what is?
Just more lame waffle from you Ray ... how bouts you take it to the Bay.
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I agree with this, although StKilda weren't even playing Top 8 football when Carlton met them.
It's so pathetic when a team hangs it's hat on one win against a top side. Reminds me of Richmond who were the last team to beat Hawthorn before they won the premiership. Kept bringing that one up, and thinking they were finals bound.
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our midfeild has the potential to become great IMO, if guys like wellingham and sidebottom can keep improving and obviously we have our 2 young guns in thomas and pendles, i really really rate wellingham, i predict he'll go past thomas this year, big call i know but i couldnt be more impressed with the kid, without doubt one of the most improved players in the comp, not bad for a rookie no matter which way you slice it.
then we have the KPPs, their quality young KPPs too.
ill have to give you the edge in the young ruckmen stakes, i hate wood, pissant pee hearted ruff putter IMO, we have recruited another young ruckman though, if wood cant break into our team this year he'll be on the verge of being delisted IMO.
the backlines a no brainer, reid, brown, keefe, obrien, way better than anything you have.
FTR keefes a 200cm+ player we recruited as a ruckman, we started playing him in the backline in the magoos and he did really well, great agility for his size, was elevated to the senior list not long ago.
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I was talking about 2010. You beat two top sides last year, one was in a form trough, the other is a good matchup for Carlton.
No, I could've picked the Dogs too, but in fairness they're usually your bunnies and they beat Carlton when the Blues were in terrible form.
I said 'maybe if you beat Collingwood or even Fremantle'.
You can't hang your hat on a win against Geelong. It's like Richmond beating Hawthorn in 2008. Just because you beat the premiers (or in this case fourth place) doesn't mean you can mix it with anyone.
Good case example would be when Collingwood belted Geelong by 80 odd points in 07 (I think). Lots of our supporters ran around saying how good we were because of that.
The instructive part is that the personnel and game plan that belted Geelong in the finals in 2010 on the way to a premiership bore no resemblance to what beat them in 07.
FFS, Melbourne drew with us and lost by a point in the other game, does that mean they finish top 2 next year? I don't think so.
Lets let the Carlton supporters boost themselves up pre season as they have done for the last 10 plus years. It just makes the inevitable crash all the more fun.
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They also almost beat the dogs. Mix it with anyone on their day, etc.
Carlton should be excited, but you need to be realistic about time frames. 4 years from now is where you should set yourself.
I think with your draw in 2011 (and yes Collingwood have an "easy" draw too) Carlton should aim for a top 4 spot. I still think your list depth in 2011 is lacking.
I hope that Kreuzer can get over his knee and keep developing. Both he and Fraser are/were similar in the sense of being athletic mobile ruckmen, but as soon as Josh did his knee he struggled to get off the ground. Hate to see that happen to Kreuz.
I think with your draw in 2011 (and yes Collingwood have an "easy" draw too) Carlton should aim for a top 4 spot. I still think your list depth in 2011 is lacking.
I hope that Kreuzer can get over his knee and keep developing. Both he and Fraser are/were similar in the sense of being athletic mobile ruckmen, but as soon as Josh did his knee he struggled to get off the ground. Hate to see that happen to Kreuz.
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We beat Collingwood the first time we played them in 2009.
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TBH, i wouldnt want to be in melbournes shoes next time they play us, expect the mother of all hidings, the amount of players who bludged on both those days was unbelievable, disgracefull in fact, i'll be expecting a clear statment next time round, and rightly so too, lock it in brother.
You joined a discussion in which a poster claimed Carlton couldn't beat any top sides, when actually we beat half the top 4. And 3 of the top 4 over the last two years. The rest is your waffle; but I like the part where 3/4 of the top 4 teams are our bunnies
EDIT: Sorry Sin City, you're right. That's four out of the top 4 sides over the last two years. 3 last year (ran the 4th to within 9pts) and 2 this year. Yet for some reason, some we can't match the top sides on our day
I can see Carlton becoming a force over the next couple of years if they are to address some KPP holes that I think are in their game.
1. Ruck - with a dominant ruckman I think their current midfield can become an elite force in the league.
2. Backline - No real high skilled shut down Full back/ CHB. Great running backs but really need a couple of options for someone like a Reiwoldt on fire, or Jono Brown or Le Cras/ Fevola.
3. Forwards... not as important, as the Pies just won the flag without a real spearhead.
1. Ruck - with a dominant ruckman I think their current midfield can become an elite force in the league.
2. Backline - No real high skilled shut down Full back/ CHB. Great running backs but really need a couple of options for someone like a Reiwoldt on fire, or Jono Brown or Le Cras/ Fevola.
3. Forwards... not as important, as the Pies just won the flag without a real spearhead.
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You joined a discussion in which a poster claimed Carlton couldn't beat any top sides, when actually we beat half the top 4. And 3 of the top 4 over the last two years. The rest is your waffle; but I like the part where 3/4 of the top 4 teams are our bunnies
EDIT: Sorry Sin City, you're right. That's four out of the top 4 sides over the last two years. 3 last year (ran the 4th to within 9pts) and 2 this year. Yet for some reason, some we can't match the top sides on our day
you can get away with beating better teams every now and then in the home and away season, dont expect to get away with it when the shiteth hiteth the faneth though, if you guys had come across us in the finals it wouldve been mighty embarrassing.
I'll have to watch Wellingham more closely perhaps, because tbh his upside hasn't jumped out at me. No Beams? I like Beams (well actually I hate him, but you know what I mean).
I think your midfield could be bordering on great even next year if the older guys maintain form, the younger ones go on with it and Krakouer slots into a role as smoothly as Ball did.
I think Carlton's could be great as well in a few years, especially if Judd maintains form. He'll be 29 for the 2013 H&A season, so there's every chance. But Carlton are more dependent on potential. If someone like Yarran can fulfill his role as a midfielder and Lucas (who I think is a gem) can keep coming along, we're looking good; if not, then maybe not so good. Bit disappointed to lose Grigg, but Robinson has the chance now to take that role. Collins is an unknown to me, but Tigers fans seemed to rate him.
You sure do take the backline, no doubt about it; but the thing is, you wouldn't have been saying that about those players a year or more ago; and this is really where Carlton are at with their backline in some respects.
Bower has had two years affected by injuries, but he's shown as much as any of those you listed when fit and firing (although I like Reid most). Jamison I'm still not sold on tbh, but is adequate at worst. Keefe? Why? Simon White and Mark Austin have shown more than him at senior level. If we're plucking untried players, we've just drafted two pretty decent KPD prospects and have 198cm rookie Levi Casboult apparently developing very nicely.
Match results disprove the comment that Carlton couldn't beat top sides and also shows that it's fairly reasonable to claim the Blues can match it with top sides on their day. Beyond that; I have no interest in waffling the topic around in endless circles.
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Since when have Carlton shown an ability to beat Collingwood?
Past history says that of the Top 6 clubs in 2010, Collingwood, Sydney & Fremantle own them.
Results b/w the WB, St. Kilda & Geelong have been inconclusive to suggest Carlton can match it with the big sides.
Past history says that of the Top 6 clubs in 2010, Collingwood, Sydney & Fremantle own them.
Results b/w the WB, St. Kilda & Geelong have been inconclusive to suggest Carlton can match it with the big sides.
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I and many pie fans rate wellingham higher than sidebottom, in fact, if you were to say to me pick one of wellers and daisy id probably pick wellers, he offers a different skill set to most of our players, for instance, he's our best tackle breaker IMO, he hits packs/stoppages at pace and reads the ball off the hands better than anyone we have, he also has excellent strengh and balance, i liken him to judd in ways, inside/ outside player and those are rare (not saying he anywhere near as good as judd BTW, yet) but you get the point.
look out for him next year, he's pretty hard to miss TBH, he also has courage to burn!!. i had him BOG in the second GF (20+ touches, 2 or 3 goals, lots of heavy inside work as in tap ons and such, he also won crucial genuine one on ones, went head to head with hayes for a while and beat him as well), not bad considering he wasnt long off a pretty bad ankle injury.
and mate, i wouldnt swap wellers for 2 beamers, and that's being 100% honest, i do rate beams though, had a down finals series but overall he had a great year, probably better than wellers, but IMO wellers gifts are rare.
Great things no doubt. A premiership would not surprise.
wellingham is overrated. sidebottom has been disappointing. beams, unsavory.
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the flagers back in town yall, you forgot to mention didaks a squib and harrys hair is naturally str8 though, do we have a ring in?
I wouldn't swap 2 of harry's pubic hairs for one of daisy's sweet locks.
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you'd swap it for your lowest ranking rookies nose hair though woudnt you? lol.
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That's a stupid thing to write. They were both excellent in 2010, leave the ignorant comments to the Collingwood fans please.
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