Are there any vegetarian or vegan footballers?

[SC_Power]

Any footballers who've done the opposite and eat nothing but meat? I know Tom Mcdonald did in 2021 for a time but he was still having coffee and random spices and stuff on his meat and would cramp up after 3 quarter time.
I did myself for about 6 weeks strict and it took decades off aching joints and energy levels(though I think I have some nutrient absorption issues that made it work better for me than it would most people).

I read somewhere a while back that Tom Hawkins basically didn’t eat a fruit or vegetable up until 16 or 17?

 

[Ironmonger85]

I read somewhere a while back that Tom Hawkins basically didn’t eat a fruit or vegetable up until 16 or 17?

Would've helped him grow bigger and stronger but once he stops eating that way he'd still be susceptible to the other problems aging players have(inflammation and weight gain caused by insulin resistance etc).
For someone like Hawkins to maintain the same body weight he had at 25 years of age means he will have a lower % of muscle and higher % of fat at his current age compared to 25 because of insulin resistance, tanking his overall strength as well as power to weight ratio(think Lockett after he lost a lot of weight in his failed comeback). As for general inflammation and soreness I think he could easily play to 40yrs if he could somehow manage to strictly adhere to a meat diet(lifetime habits are really hard to break though I only lasted 6 weeks strict myself).

 

[Danw0w]

Would've helped him grow bigger and stronger but once he stops eating that way he'd still be susceptible to the other problems aging players have(inflammation and weight gain caused by insulin resistance etc).
For someone like Hawkins to maintain the same body weight he had at 25 years of age means he will have a lower % of muscle and higher % of fat at his current age compared to 25 because of insulin resistance, tanking his overall strength as well as power to weight ratio(think Lockett after he lost a lot of weight in his failed comeback). As for general inflammation and soreness I think he could easily play to 40yrs if he could somehow manage to strictly adhere to a meat diet(lifetime habits are really hard to break though I only lasted 6 weeks strict myself).

Wtf

 

[Seeds]

I had a lovely vegan meal with my roast pork last night.

potatoes roasted in duck fat are technically not vegan. But close enough.

 

[BrockBlitz]

Meat only seems to work really well for people with autoimmune issues. So chill on the its dumb crap. Context is everything.

Can't see it being useful for a repeat burst sport like afl. Carbs are a must.

 

[iameviljez]

yeah I'm intolerant to dairy and wheat at least. Eating only meat is fine none of the plant foods humans can eat existed before agriculture was invented(like wheat). There's no plants that just naturally exist in nature that humans could eat that had any meaningful calories(except some fruit if you happen to live near the tropics).

Yeah I’m guessing you’re neither a dietician nor a doctor

 

[Gough]

Owsley Stanley III who cooked the Purple Haze acid Hendrix dropped at Monterey Pop, built the Grateful Dead's Wall of Sound, and invented a lot of modern PA equipment lived on an all meat diet since the 60s and he died in a car accident in Queensland aged 76 so it works for some people.

 

[kranky al]

Owsley Stanley III who cooked the Purple Haze acid Hendrix dropped at Monterey Pop, built the Grateful Dead's Wall of Sound, and invented a lot of modern PA equipment lived on an all meat diet since the 60s and he died in a car accident in Queensland aged 76 so it works for some people.

Couldn’t imagine eating nothing but meat, when I’ve gone away on boys camping trips in the past and it’s been wall to wall snags, steaks, bacon, lamb etc after 2 days i start getting indigestion and craving a salad.

 

[Gough]

Couldn’t imagine eating nothing but meat, when I’ve gone away on boys camping trips in the past and it’s been wall to wall snags, steaks, bacon, lamb etc after 2 days i start getting indigestion and craving a salad.

I'd live on steak and chips if I could.

 

[kranky al]

 

[iameviljez]

Owsley Stanley III who cooked the Purple Haze acid Hendrix dropped at Monterey Pop, built the Grateful Dead's Wall of Sound, and invented a lot of modern PA equipment lived on an all meat diet since the 60s and he died in a car accident in Queensland aged 76 so it works for some people.

“Not dead by 76” isn’t exactly the strongest endorsement!

 

[kranky al]

potatoes roasted in duck fat are technically not vegan. But close enough.

Well they are, right up till the point you put the duck fat on innit?

 

[Vdubs]

Would've helped him grow bigger and stronger but once he stops eating that way he'd still be susceptible to the other problems aging players have(inflammation and weight gain caused by insulin resistance etc).
For someone like Hawkins to maintain the same body weight he had at 25 years of age means he will have a lower % of muscle and higher % of fat at his current age compared to 25 because of insulin resistance, tanking his overall strength as well as power to weight ratio(think Lockett after he lost a lot of weight in his failed comeback). As for general inflammation and soreness I think he could easily play to 40yrs if he could somehow manage to strictly adhere to a meat diet(lifetime habits are really hard to break though I only lasted 6 weeks strict myself).

Interesting points.

Completely mythical you need meat to get big and strong. Evidence aplenty that even vegans on a carefully planned regime can get all the protein they need and can become as large, strong, quick, resilient and have as much endurance as any meat eaters. Check out

The Game Changers Official Film Website | Documentary

Watch the Game Changers movie about plant-based eating, protein, and strength. Presented by James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jackie Chan, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic and Chris Paul.

gamechangersmovie.com

Insulin resistance can certainly be prevented, treated and reversed on a whole food plat based diet- highly recommended.

General inflammation and soreness would be exacerbated by an inflammatory meat-only diet. What that does to the gut microbiome, the digestive system, joints, brain , heart and kidneys is dangerous if adhered to long term.

Lack of fibre is a proven risk factor for many diseases, mainly related to microbiome issues.

 

[kranky al]

Interesting points.

Completely mythical you need meat to get big and strong. Evidence aplenty that even vegans on a carefully planned regime can get all the protein they need and can become as large, strong, quick, resilient and have as much endurance as any meat eaters. Check out

The Game Changers Official Film Website | Documentary

Watch the Game Changers movie about plant-based eating, protein, and strength. Presented by James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jackie Chan, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic and Chris Paul.

gamechangersmovie.com

Insulin resistance can certainly be prevented, treated and reversed on a whole food plat based diet- highly recommended.

General inflammation and soreness would be exacerbated by an inflammatory meat-only diet. What that does to the gut microbiome, the digestive system, joints, brain , heart and kidneys is dangerous if adhered to long term.

Lack of fibre is a proven risk factor for many diseases, mainly related to microbiome issues.

Insulin resistance can also be reversed on a keto diet.

Carbs = sugar = insulin resistance.

 

[Vdubs]

Insulin resistance can also be reversed on a keto diet.

Carbs = sugar = insulin resistance.

Keto- short term, yes, certainly not long term. Insulin resistance is NOT due to carbs. Carbs does not mean sugar.
There is plenty of non-anecdotal research proving that insulin resistance is more related to the effects of saturated fat. MRI spectroscopy shows microscopic fat build up inside muscle and liver cells, preventing insulin from working. Any added sugar in the diet will obviously cause blood sugar to rise. Prevention is by avoiding saturated fats, meats, dairy, coconut and palm oils.
Clearly avoiding added sugar is important, but complex carbs in bread, grains, legumes, fruits, vegies is important. Fibre is critical. Excessive consumption of anything is worth avoiding.
Stay away from added oils, all animal products, processed food, added sugar.
On a keto diet, strictly, of course there is no raise in blood sugar. But it's a fad diet, and as soon as an apple or other useful carb is eaten, blood sugar spikes.
Do you really believe eating fruits and veg is prohibitive? The keto diet does not address the underlying issue- fat blocking the effect of insulin.

 

[Ironmonger85]

Found a clip where Tom Mcdonald

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says he lost 6kg in total weight over the 9months he was on the meat diet in 2021 at the same time as gaining 2kg of muscle. That means he lost 8kg of water/fat in total, that's a massive boost to his power to weight ratio of over 5%(assuming he was around the 100kg mark when he started). He goes on to say the dietitians think it's "impossible" to lose that weight without losing a large amount of muscle mass(like Lockett during his comeback).

 

[BrockBlitz]

Interesting points.

Completely mythical you need meat to get big and strong. Evidence aplenty that even vegans on a carefully planned regime can get all the protein they need and can become as large, strong, quick, resilient and have as much endurance as any meat eaters. Check out

The Game Changers Official Film Website | Documentary

Watch the Game Changers movie about plant-based eating, protein, and strength. Presented by James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jackie Chan, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic and Chris Paul.

gamechangersmovie.com

Insulin resistance can certainly be prevented, treated and reversed on a whole food plat based diet- highly recommended.

General inflammation and soreness would be exacerbated by an inflammatory meat-only diet. What that does to the gut microbiome, the digestive system, joints, brain , heart and kidneys is dangerous if adhered to long term.

Lack of fibre is a proven risk factor for many diseases, mainly related to microbiome issues.

This is literally one of the worst endorsements ever for being a vegetarian or vegan. During the filming many athletes pulled out because they went back to eating meat. No one is at the top of their sport and the experiments done are laughable to anyone with a remote science background.

Entertaining sure, it was produced by the dude who did Avatar. Every nutritionist with a strong profile came out with their own debunking of it.
About as evidence based as the blue zones

 

[Vdubs]

This is literally one of the worst endorsements ever for being a vegetarian or vegan. During the filming many athletes pulled out because they went back to eating meat. No one is at the top of their sport and the experiments done are laughable to anyone with a remote science background.

Entertaining sure, it was produced by the dude who did Avatar. Every nutritionist with a strong profile came out with their own debunking of it.
About as evidence based as the blue zones

It is not the worst endorsement for veganism.
There is a massive difference between vegetarianinsm and veganism.
And most importantly. many people are vegan without being healthy, so the main message is to be fully whole foodplant based.
A bag of chips with oil and salt is vegan.
But to eat whole unprocessed foods, minimising added salt, oil, sugar, is the emphasis, and obtaining foods from all of fruits, veg, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and mushrooms can lead to perfect nutrition for all people and athletes, and can lead to preventing, treating, and reversing nearly all of the chronic conditions that afflict humans, which no other medication, lifestyle and dietary regime can do.

 

[Orange crush]

Interesting points.

Completely mythical you need meat to get big and strong. Evidence aplenty that even vegans on a carefully planned regime can get all the protein they need and can become as large, strong, quick, resilient and have as much endurance as any meat eaters. Check out

The Game Changers Official Film Website | Documentary

Watch the Game Changers movie about plant-based eating, protein, and strength. Presented by James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jackie Chan, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic and Chris Paul.

gamechangersmovie.com

Insulin resistance can certainly be prevented, treated and reversed on a whole food plat based diet- highly recommended.

General inflammation and soreness would be exacerbated by an inflammatory meat-only diet. What that does to the gut microbiome, the digestive system, joints, brain , heart and kidneys is dangerous if adhered to long term.

Lack of fibre is a proven risk factor for many diseases, mainly related to microbiome issues.

Game Changers is so not science

 

[faible]

Well this page has been a real ride.

 

[Vdubs]

Game Changers is so not science

Who cares? It's legit.
Besides, the research behind whole foods plant based nutrition is outstanding.

 

[ioppolo]

Everything in balance. Meat, vegetables, fruit. Limit the processed shit.

How hard is it?

 

[rumply]

Carnivore diet is great for those that need to lose some serious weight or those with inflammatory issues but it can have it's down side & certainly isn't for everyone. There can be issues with cramping & energy levels for example.

I've been carnivore off & on for awhile now & it 100% addressed some arthritic problems I'd developed in recent years, all gone believe it or not. Currently doing carnivore plus some fruits, works for me.

I'm not in the 'vegetables are trying to kill you' camp but some were certainly ****ing with me.

 

[Orange crush]

Who cares? It's legit.
Besides, the research behind whole foods plant based nutrition is outstanding.

No it’s not

 

[Ironmonger85]

It is not the worst endorsement for veganism.
There is a massive difference between vegetarianinsm and veganism.
And most importantly. many people are vegan without being healthy, so the main message is to be fully whole foodplant based.
A bag of chips with oil and salt is vegan.
But to eat whole unprocessed foods, minimising added salt, oil, sugar, is the emphasis, and obtaining foods from all of fruits, veg, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and mushrooms can lead to perfect nutrition for all people and athletes, and can lead to preventing, treating, and reversing nearly all of the chronic conditions that afflict humans, which no other medication, lifestyle and dietary regime can do.

I see the people who eat those foods you advise at the whole foods supermarket I go to(I know I shouldn't but since I went on the meat diet I check what others are buying at the supermarket and then look at them). They really don't look good or free from the chronic conditions that affect humans. They look haggard and older than their years, some underweight but more are over weight and all have their weight in the wrong places(as I did before the meat diet even though I was underweight).