Are we in in for a 0 win season with <50% ?

[Philth]

We win 4-6, we wont be nearly as bad as people are predicting. Players were checked out this year, even Baker admitted he was, then Shai as well and Dusty taking the piss choosing when to train and play, how could the rest of the team take it seriously. Next year everyone will be onboard. In the modern game if you bring pressure and have a crack, you can beat anyone (like the Swans game last year).

Correct.
We will be in a red hot battle with North for the spoon next year.

 

[Do the Dew]

Like how you conviently left out the part where he won a flag inbetweem all that. Don't we 'love our boys' until they are cut or traded, then they are all shit, apparently. Markov is a high quality guy & excellent clubman. Could do a lost worse than picking him up for literal nothing.

Stringer would be a walk-up start in our forward-line and likely be the most talented bloke in it most weeks. He just got traded for pick 67. Jake is younger than Tom Lynch & kicked over 350 goals in his career and is less than 100goals behind Tom for his whole career.

I would take either of these blokes in our starting 18 next year over K-Mac, Dow, Ryan.

People saying we will win 6-7 games - where is the logic. We won TWO last year & lost by tons every week.

Out: Martin. Bolton. D.Rioli. Baker. Pickett. Graham. Grimes. Cumberland. Naismith.

In. Not a single game of AFL experience

Lynch. Prestia. Toby all get 1 year older and absolutely no reason to believe they will have better lack with injuries. Same with Hopper, who looks like an old Kane Johnson at best even when fit. Gibcus has missed 2 years of footy. J.Clarke, Lefau & Young all go into the season unlikely to feature until July.

Who makes a meaningful leap this season Vs taking a noteable fall in form? There is not a single drop of reasoning except hope to how we would win 7 games, let along.

In 40+ years of following AFL i can't remember a team playing and performing as poorly as we did this year, lose so many players & do not a single thing to make the team more competitve the next year. The draft picks are great, but ffs - there were some legit talented AFL journeyman available either completely free or incredibly cheap - would it have killed us to chase 1 or 2 to just TRY and get a lil better in some areas?

How could Stringer be really good and also worth pick 67...?

We're clearly on the developing the kids route so there's no point in getting rid of draft capital to top up with the rejects from other clubs that you suggested. Only reason we'd do that is if we're in a flag window and having a back-up forward or ruck etc. is useful.

I'm sure Markov is a good guy, but he's not a player that would turn the club around on field. He won a flag in a Pies team that had the worst finals percentage of any premiership team potentially ever, and were incredibly lucky to even make the grand final, let alone win it. Billy Frampton also won a flag, doesn't say much about the player.

We've also gone down the top up path when we brought over Tarrant from Norf, and that potentially stifled the development of one of our young defenders.

There's also some extremely obvious extenuating circumstances with our performance last season. Old coach abandoned us, premiership stars retiring, new coach/gameplan came in, and the worst injury run we've likely ever had. I'm not saying we're gonna bounce back up the ladder, but I expect if we can get a decent run at it, keep developing the younger players, we'll be competing for finals again in a few years. The last point is we have a ton of money to throw at some free agents in the next couple of years rather than spend it on rejects from other clubs.

 

[db26]

We're looking for green shoots next year the most important and a few wins

 

[Drunken Wookie]

We need to top up with DFAs, get as many as we can in, scientifically speaking it’s a good idea.

 

[sabso]

We need to top up with DFAs, get as many as we can in, scientifically speaking it’s a good idea.

palm tree man has taught me that dfa is a really blatant way of cheating the system. Weirdly none of the flakes from other teams want to come to Richmond, they want to go to st dildo or the bummers

 

[rammmbo]

Yeah I do think its a real possibility we won't win a game but hopefully we can be competitive sometimes and see some signs in the young players.

 

[SplintWhisky]

What's the rules for priority picks? If we have a 1 win season then doesn't that get us to 13 wins over 3 seasons? Average of 4.33 wins a year? Would love to see the collective AFL world lose their shit at a priority pick especially if we do some smart deals for 23 and 24 and top up in the first round.

Imagine going to the draft with Pick 1, Priority pick, North Melbourne First, 2 extra firsts

 

[sabso]

Guys a 0 win season will put the afl on track to shut us down and merge our zombified souls into some shitmuncher franchise out east

 

[Ceehook]

last year we had the rebuild elephant in the room
and maybe the transition away from Dimma era elephant

I think fair to say they are gone
we are in rebuild mode and are allowed to get excited by the prospects our pick hand could deliver

with the departures and the bottom out the Dimma/Kingsley/Mini/Xav Clarke era has finished and we are in a new era

Can we bounce up in 2025 or is that too soon ?

We will have, in theory , a softer draw , we can bank on that and that we will have excitement within the club
the ifs and maybes are around injuries to our older players
and the group below them , will any have break out years ?

I can see real positives if one of Lefau , Fawcett or Gray can play along side Lynch for a good run of games

with two talls in the forward line playing well , getting marks , bringing ball to ground , all of a sudden you start to look like you can kick a winning score

but it hinges on Lynch staying fit .... tigers supporters grimmace and quietly shed a tear

and thats before we talk midfield

 

[Dr Tigris]

What's the rules for priority picks? If we have a 1 win season then doesn't that get us to 13 wins over 3 seasons? Average of 4.33 wins a year? Would love to see the collective AFL world lose their shit at a priority pick especially if we do some smart deals for 23 and 24 and top up in the first round.

Imagine going to the draft with Pick 1, Priority pick, North Melbourne First, 2 extra firsts

Whatever the AFL decides the rules are. Typically:
1) You are an AFL love child - Not the RFC
2) Extended period of being incredibly, direly, unbelievably, terribly, bad - Not the RFC
3) The AFL sees that you coming back would be worth $ - Not the RFC ... as yet
4) Some random crap that makes no sense from the outside - ?
5) The AFL wants to facilitate a story (i.e. GAJ back to Geelong) - Not the RFC
6) Being incredibly poorly run so that although you finish at the bottom year on year you can't get good picks because you've traded them away and/or picked and developed really badly. - Not the RFC


We're not in a the zone for some time. Stay bottom of 2 more years and maybe rules 2 dn 6 might come into play. Maybe make that 4 years.

 

[Madtiger2006]

We’ll give Carl a nudge round 1 like this year. Our home game big crowd

 

[RJK Tiger]

How could Stringer be really good and also worth pick 67...?

We're clearly on the developing the kids route so there's no point in getting rid of draft capital to top up with the rejects from other clubs that you suggested. Only reason we'd do that is if we're in a flag window and having a back-up forward or ruck etc. is useful.

I'm sure Markov is a good guy, but he's not a player that would turn the club around on field. He won a flag in a Pies team that had the worst finals percentage of any premiership team potentially ever, and were incredibly lucky to even make the grand final, let alone win it. Billy Frampton also won a flag, doesn't say much about the player.

We've also gone down the top up path when we brought over Tarrant from Norf, and that potentially stifled the development of one of our young defenders.

There's also some extremely obvious extenuating circumstances with our performance last season. Old coach abandoned us, premiership stars retiring, new coach/gameplan came in, and the worst injury run we've likely ever had. I'm not saying we're gonna bounce back up the ladder, but I expect if we can get a decent run at it, keep developing the younger players, we'll be competing for finals again in a few years. The last point is we have a ton of money to throw at some free agents in the next couple of years rather than spend it on rejects from other clubs.

Lol - mate i only read the first line and didnt even bother on the rest

How can Stringer be worth pick 67 and still be "good"? The same way Jesse Hogan got traded for pick 54 (again to the Giants) and was still good. Get A clue, Dew

 

[smasha]

WDGAF
Onward The Tigers!

 

[docko911]

No pressure but Brown, Banks, HRS, MRJ, Mansell, Ross and Miller need to step up next year.

If any of Dow, Sonsie, Ryan or Kozi can as well that would be a big win.

These are basically the guys we need to improve the most as they are the older and more experienced players on our list that aren’t fully established in our best 22. Without them, we are working with a list of older experienced players close to retirement, young 1-3 year players, slightly older players with injury concerns, and Balta.

We either have a big list gap or we don’t. If Clarke, Lefau, Gibcus and Young can all come right it will further help close it. Fingers crossed or this rebuild really will take 4-6 years.

 

[Do the Dew]

Lol - mate i only read the first line and didnt even bother on the rest

How can Stringer be worth pick 67 and still be "good"? The same way Jesse Hogan got traded for pick 54 (again to the Giants) and was still good. Get A clue, Dew

You read more of my post then I typically read of yours. I'd wager the vast majority of the Richmond board does the same.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

No pressure but Brown, Banks, HRS, MRJ, Mansell, Ross and Miller need to step up next year.

If any of Dow, Sonsie, Ryan or Kozi can as well that would be a big win.

These are basically the guys we need to improve the most as they are the older and more experienced players on our list that aren’t fully established in our best 22. Without them, we are working with a list of older experienced players close to retirement, young 1-3 year players, slightly older players with injury concerns, and Balta.

We either have a big list gap or we don’t. If Clarke, Lefau, Gibcus and Young can all come right it will further help close it. Fingers crossed or this rebuild really will take 4-6 years.

I'm happy if it does take 4-5 years to fully complete (including this year), that'll mean it's a proper rebuild with no shortcuts taken. That doesn't mean 5 spoons but developing our youth, trading in good long-term players, backing our coach and system to bed in.

Want another bag of premierships not a decade of mid-table finishes with a half decent list and then need to bottom out again.

 

[RJK Tiger]

You read more of my post then I typically read of yours. I'd wager the vast majority of the Richmond board does the same.

Yeah, i doubt that. your takes on most things footy and politics have already proven to be miles off. Just because you say something confidently, doesn't make it true.

The pick the player gets traded for can have many factors - ie being considered a salary dump, or, detrimental to team chemistry or a rebuild/structure.

Stringers peak is certainly over, but its probably worth noting that we are discussing this topic in a very serious thread titled "Are we in in for a 0 win season with <50%? ". We are talking about the 2025 team on target to be historically bad.


If Stringer & Lynch were to play 16-17 games together, that would be 16-17 games where we had a genuine forward structure around 2 guys who have kicked 800 goals between them. It stuns me the club has not bothered to get even 1 mature age recruit to help this side be competitive. Its Sam Hinke level list management stuff, tanking under "The Process" mentality

 

[Do the Dew]

Yeah, i doubt that. your takes on most things footy and politics have already proven to be miles off. Just because you say something confidently, doesn't make it true.

The pick the player gets traded for can have many factors - ie being considered a salary dump, or, detrimental to team chemistry or a rebuild/structure.

Stringers peak is certainly over, but its probably worth noting that we are discussing this topic in a very serious thread titled "Are we in in for a 0 win season with <50%? ". We are talking about the 2025 team on target to be historically bad.


If Stringer & Lynch were to play 16-17 games together, that would be 16-17 games where we had a genuine forward structure around 2 guys who have kicked 800 goals between them. It stuns me the club has not bothered to get even 1 mature age recruit to help this side be competitive. Its Sam Hinke level list management stuff, tanking under "The Process" mentality

When all the dust settles, I know I'm on the right side of history in supporting women and LGBTQ+ rights, compared to what I've seen from you. I'd ask you to have a taste of your own medicine when you're also asserting things, but that takes the ability to introspect which I haven't seen from you.

Back to footy, same was said of us in 2010 - worst list since Fitzroy etc. That proved wrong.

I don't know why you have such a hard-on for Stringer. He's past his peak, overweight, overpaid, a culture-killer, and was traded for a nothing pick. If we had picked him up, he'd play a couple of years tops, stifling the development of our younger forwards and not setting us up for the future. The club is also aware that the Tassie team will be taking all the draft picks in a few years so maximising our return now is important and then we'll use free agency to attract more senior players now that Cotch/Riewoldt/Dusty's money is off the book.

 

[Azzleberry]

When all the dust settles, I know I'm on the right side of history in supporting women and LGBTQ+ rights, compared to what I've seen from you. I'd ask you to have a taste of your own medicine when you're also asserting things, but that takes the ability to introspect which I haven't seen from you.

Back to footy, same was said of us in 2010 - worst list since Fitzroy etc. That proved wrong.

I don't know why you have such a hard-on for Stringer. He's past his peak, overweight, overpaid, a culture-killer, and was traded for a nothing pick. If we had picked him up, he'd play a couple of years tops, stifling the development of our younger forwards and not setting us up for the future. The club is also aware that the Tassie team will be taking all the draft picks in a few years so maximising our return now is important and then we'll use free agency to attract more senior players now that Cotch/Riewoldt/Dusty's money is off the book.

 

[RJK Tiger]

When all the dust settles, I know I'm on the right side of history in supporting women and LGBTQ+ rights, compared to what I've seen from you. I'd ask you to have a taste of your own medicine when you're also asserting things, but that takes the ability to introspect which I haven't seen from you.

Back to footy, same was said of us in 2010 - worst list since Fitzroy etc. That proved wrong.

I don't know why you have such a hard-on for Stringer. He's past his peak, overweight, overpaid, a culture-killer, and was traded for a nothing pick. If we had picked him up, he'd play a couple of years tops, stifling the development of our younger forwards and not setting us up for the future. The club is also aware that the Tassie team will be taking all the draft picks in a few years so maximising our return now is important and then we'll use free agency to attract more senior players now that Cotch/Riewoldt/Dusty's money is off the book.

Exhibit A of why the Left will keep losing in Australia and the U.S.: people aren’t voting for Trump—they’re voting against the current Left. Supporting women and LGBTQ+ rights shouldn’t be a competition. We’ve backed both causes as much as we need to. It’s not a “who supports them more” contest. The Left needs to stop using excuses that call Right voters “dumb” and face the truth: the noisy Gen Z crowd isn’t showing up when it counts. And for such a targeted demographic, the women you are so proudly defending plus Latinos, didn’t turn up in the numbers expected considering their reported existenial fear.

Also, you can relax - no one in real life asks, “Were you on the right side of history on gay rights?” That’s just Gen Z posturing. So, grow up.

As for 2010, I’ve already pointed out that, despite high expectations, we had aging players like Richo, Deledio, and Cousins, but also young hall of famers like Riewoldt, Cotchin, and Rance in their 2nd or 3rd season + A rookie GOAT Dustin Martin. That team would destroy this one, and I still don’t see how Lynch, Prestia, or Hopper will stay healthy with age. We also had Dimma, a generational coach, in his first year, while Yze’s first year didn’t give me confidence he’s cut from the same cloth.

 

[Do the Dew]

Exhibit A of why the Left will keep losing in Australia and the U.S.: people aren’t voting for Trump—they’re voting against the current Left. Supporting women and LGBTQ+ rights shouldn’t be a competition. We’ve backed both causes as much as we need to. It’s not a “who supports them more” contest. The Left needs to stop using excuses that call Right voters “dumb” and face the truth: the noisy Gen Z crowd isn’t showing up when it counts. And for such a targeted demographic, the women you are so proudly defending plus Latinos, didn’t turn up in the numbers expected considering their reported existenial fear.

Also, you can relax - no one in real life asks, “Were you on the right side of history on gay rights?” That’s just Gen Z posturing. So, grow up.

As for 2010, I’ve already pointed out that, despite high expectations, we had aging players like Richo, Deledio, and Cousins, but also young hall of famers like Riewoldt, Cotchin, and Rance in their 2nd or 3rd season + A rookie GOAT Dustin Martin. That team would destroy this one, and I still don’t see how Lynch, Prestia, or Hopper will stay healthy with age. We also had Dimma, a generational coach, in his first year, while Yze’s first year didn’t give me confidence he’s cut from the same cloth.

Reminder that the Democrats aren't a left-wing party. They're pretty much dead center, sometimes straying left and sometimes right, given that they can't agree on socialized health care and also majorly benefit from corporate greed. People voted for Trump against their own interest because they can't think critically and actually dissect what he says and see it as bs. Less educated people (which studies show to much more likely be conservative) swallow his tripe without a second thought. There's plenty of people who found old nazi or kkk uniforms, memorabilia etc. in their grandparents closet who would have a whole lot of shame at finding it. Interestingly a lot of paramilitary Trump supporting groups also wear nazi shit. That's how I know I'm on the socially correct side as my descendants won't be finding any of that crap.

Back to footy: we may have the next Riewoldt, Cotchin, Dusty, Rance etc. already in the team or about to be drafted but don't know it yet. I'll put my hand up and say that I always thought Rance was only ever going to be a B-grader at best. I got that one completely wrong. But taking games away from those young potential guys and giving it to players from other clubs on 1 year contracts isn't going to help develop them.

I'll stop now and talk only about footy. For those that don't know, I live in the US and things are gonna be really really ****ed here shortly.

 

[Vassp]

List cloggers will be far and few between next year....

PS Hopper better lift his game.

 

[tiger_tough]

Lalor straight in the middle will improve clearances a bit

Doubt he spends much time at all in the middle (if we do draft him). He'll play forward until the tank is ready.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Reminder that the Democrats aren't a left-wing party. They're pretty much dead center, sometimes straying left and sometimes right, given that they can't agree on socialized health care and also majorly benefit from corporate greed. People voted for Trump against their own interest because they can't think critically and actually dissect what he says and see it as bs. Less educated people (which studies show to much more likely be conservative) swallow his tripe without a second thought. There's plenty of people who found old nazi or kkk uniforms, memorabilia etc. in their grandparents closet who would have a whole lot of shame at finding it. Interestingly a lot of paramilitary Trump supporting groups also wear nazi shit. That's how I know I'm on the socially correct side as my descendants won't be finding any of that crap.

Back to footy: we may have the next Riewoldt, Cotchin, Dusty, Rance etc. already in the team or about to be drafted but don't know it yet. I'll put my hand up and say that I always thought Rance was only ever going to be a B-grader at best. I got that one completely wrong. But taking games away from those young potential guys and giving it to players from other clubs on 1 year contracts isn't going to help develop them.

I'll stop now and talk only about footy. For those that don't know, I live in the US and things are gonna be really really ****ed here shortly.

What i love about your novels is i generally only have to read the first paragraph to realise i can save myself 10 minutes.

"Democrats are not a left wing party" - LOL. Righto buddy

 

[Thrasher97]

What's the rules for priority picks? If we have a 1 win season then doesn't that get us to 13 wins over 3 seasons? Average of 4.33 wins a year? Would love to see the collective AFL world lose their shit at a priority pick especially if we do some smart deals for 23 and 24 and top up in the first round.

Imagine going to the draft with Pick 1, Priority pick, North Melbourne First, 2 extra firsts

Until West Coke get a priority pick, it ain't happening.