Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Boston tiger]

Australian English is it?

And English English

 

[carltonchelsea]

And English English strayan English!

 

[carltonchelsea]

Um yes.

Have you been drinking?

Do you want some?, I needed a few after that “fight of the century”.
It’s math by the way, why the plurality of a single natured process?
And….there are no gods, no sufficient reason nor evidence has been provided thus far.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Just so the religious folks are clear, atheism isn’t a choice, it’s the conclusion!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Do you want some?, I needed a few after that “fight of the century”.
It’s math by the way, why the plurality of a single natured process?
And….there are no gods, no sufficient reason nor evidence has been provided thus far.

Dictionary.com:

Math is the preferred term in the United States and Canada. Maths is the preferred term in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and other English-speaking places.

 

[liz]

Dictionary.com:

Math is the preferred term in the United States and Canada. Maths is the preferred term in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and other English-speaking places.

We could just refer to the non-abbreviated word - mathematics - and then we’d be under no confusion about the ‘s’ at the end.

 

[Vdubs]

Dictionary.com:

Math is the preferred term in the United States and Canada. Maths is the preferred term in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and other English-speaking places.

We could just refer to the non-abbreviated word - mathematics - and then we’d be under no confusion about the ‘s’ at the end.

As said to CC

 

[liz]

As said to CC

Charlie Chaplin? Christopher Columbus? Colin Creevey?

 

[Vdubs]

Charlie Chaplin? Christopher Columbus? Colin Creevey?

 

[carltonchelsea]

Dictionary.com:

Math is the preferred term in the United States and Canada. Maths is the preferred term in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and other English-speaking places.

I know I know, crazy that country got something right!
But, they did give us Carl Sagan and Richard Feynman, so I forgive them!

 

[carltonchelsea]

As said to CC

cc, no capitalisation please, I did it for good reason.
Also, your god doesn’t exist, the universe operates perfectly unaided by the Laws of Physics of its own volition.
Got any evidence to counter yet?
Also, given there was no garden of Eden and no original sin committed by rib woman, was a human sacrifice required to atone for something that never historically occurred?
Cheers…..I have more questions too, but this is a start!

 

[Vdubs]

cc, no capitalisation please, I did it for good reason.
Also, your god doesn’t exist, the universe operates perfectly unaided by the Laws of Physics of its own volition.
Got any evidence to counter yet?
Also, given there was no garden of Eden and no original sin committed by rib woman, was a human sacrifice required to atone for something that never historically occurred?
Cheers…..I have more questions too, but this is a start!

Good that you have questions- we all have questions- so you are not necessarily convinced of your atheism, despite the strong comments.
Besides, it is Ask An Atheist now

 

[Total Power]

Good that you have questions- we all have questions- so you are not necessarily convinced of your atheism, despite the strong comments.
Besides, it is Ask An Atheist now

Yet you avoided answering his questions and replied with reverse psychology straight away like you usually do. Play with a straight bat for a change mate.

 

[Vdubs]

Yet you avoided answering his questions and replied with reverse psychology straight away like you usually do. Play with a straight bat for a change mate.

there was no question, merely statements of opinion and assumption asking for a comment.

 

[Total Power]

there was no question, merely statements of opinion and assumption asking for a comment.

He did ask a question about the garden of Eden and you ended up projecting instead. Why do you always avoid answering the question(s)?

Let me ask you the same question then. Do you think Adam and Eve were literal people? if yes, what evidence do you have? if they weren't literal people, no sin was committed then?

 

[Vdubs]

He did ask a question about the garden of Eden and you ended up projecting instead. Why do you always avoid answering the question(s)?

Let me ask you the same question then. Do you think Adam and Eve were literal people? if yes, what evidence do you have? if they weren't literal people, no sin was committed then?

Adam and Eve may not have been literal people, but the concept of sin certainly is useful, real, applicable and relevant today as it has been forever. Evidently. That some of you refuse to acknowledge sin is your choice. Whether you denigrate the topic because the Bible OT writings are archaic, is again your choice. I don't regard all words as literal, and have no issue accepting that God is our Creator, detests sin, we sin "religiously", and He has given us an out by mere acceptance of Jesus Christ. SIN is real. Go ahead and mock and ask for evidence, but you need look no further than your nose. We all sin.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

There is clearly good and bad in our world, but there is NOTHING useful about the concept of sin.

Took me four decades to learn that. My parents were kind and loving and meant only the best for me but gee their religious beliefs messed me up in ways they would never have considered.

 

[liz]

Adam and Eve may not have been literal people, but the concept of sin certainly is useful, real, applicable and relevant today as it has been forever. Evidently. That some of you refuse to acknowledge sin is your choice. Whether you denigrate the topic because the Bible OT writings are archaic, is again your choice. I don't regard all words as literal, and have no issue accepting that God is our Creator, detests sin, we sin "religiously", and He has given us an out by mere acceptance of Jesus Christ. SIN is real. Go ahead and mock and ask for evidence, but you need look no further than your nose. We all sin.

What is sin? As in a definition.

 

[Total Power]

Adam and Eve may not have been literal people, but the concept of sin certainly is useful, real, applicable and relevant today as it has been forever. Evidently. That some of you refuse to acknowledge sin is your choice. Whether you denigrate the topic because the Bible OT writings are archaic, is again your choice. I don't regard all words as literal, and have no issue accepting that God is our Creator, detests sin, we sin "religiously", and He has given us an out by mere acceptance of Jesus Christ. SIN is real. Go ahead and mock and ask for evidence, but you need look no further than your nose. We all sin.

Sin is disobeying what god says to do. In NT God asks women to submit to men, people not to take atheists as friends, masturbating is a crime, slavery is fine, disbelieving in God is a sin etc etc. Are these all sins? who in this day and age consider any of these as a 'sin'???

These are perfect examples how sin is a social construct, all these things were acceptable back in those days it's unacceptable today. Secondly, social norms different. When i moved to Switzerland from Australia, many things which are acceptable in Australia weren't acceptable in Switzerland. I adjusted to the social norm that you do not stand that close to the next person in a queue or you don't sit next to someone on a bus. It's an unspoken norm. If cultural leaders, such as religious figures, decided that it would benefit all of society to follow this norm as a rule, they might codify it making it a sin. Usually these rules are created to address a specific issue (and sometimes because the religious or political leaders were just nuts), and when that need is no longer accurate the law remains because they said it was "from god," and since god never changes, his law shouldn't either.

This is why you are wrong, yet you are so stubborn you will not accept the most rational argument you stick to your stubborn hopeless argument.

 

[Chief]

That some of you refuse to acknowledge sin is your choice.

Who gets to define sin, though?

The lists given out by religious people seem to change and rarely intersect with those mentioned in the original texts.

 

[Total Power]

That some of you refuse to acknowledge sin is your choice.

Rubbish. Sin is not a choice AT all, the story goes like we are all cursed, it's built in the system. If EVERYONE sins it's not a choice, it's a way of life, then consider joining the boys club to be saved. The irony is you can't see the trap in this. Join the club or suffer...... (not given a choice in this case, cause our nature is sinful according to your so called 'holy book')

See i am playing your game and you still lose.

 

[Vdubs]

Rubbish. Sin is not a choice AT all, the story goes like we are all cursed, it's built in the system. If EVERYONE sins it's not a choice, it's a way of life, then consider joining the boys club to be saved. The irony is you can't see the trap in this. Join the club or suffer...... (not given a choice in this case, cause our nature is sinful according to your so called 'holy book')

See i am playing your game and you still lose.

You say I still lose. Sorry for you TP. That will not be proven until ... who knows when. And yes, we all sin, and there IS a choice. You can bleat about the unfairness of this, or ponder the possibility that it is true. At least you have been aware of the choices. Can not plead ignorance.
OR
you are correct, and what do Christians lose?

 

[Vdubs]

What is sin? As in a definition.

Mine- Succumbing to the temptations of this material world when you know deep down, that choice was flawed because it is against the teachings of God.
Known definitions? Basically separation from God by doing things known to be disobedient to His will, eg disbelief in Him, doubting Him, choosing self over what we are taught is God's will for each of us.
As if anybody here does not know or understand what sin is- it's more a question of accepting sin is departure from God's way.

 

[Vdubs]

Sin is disobeying what god says to do. In NT God asks women to submit to men, people not to take atheists as friends, masturbating is a crime, slavery is fine, disbelieving in God is a sin etc etc. Are these all sins? who in this day and age consider any of these as a 'sin'???

These are perfect examples how sin is a social construct, all these things were acceptable back in those days it's unacceptable today. Secondly, social norms different. When i moved to Switzerland from Australia, many things which are acceptable in Australia weren't acceptable in Switzerland. I adjusted to the social norm that you do not stand that close to the next person in a queue or you don't sit next to someone on a bus. It's an unspoken norm. If cultural leaders, such as religious figures, decided that it would benefit all of society to follow this norm as a rule, they might codify it making it a sin. Usually these rules are created to address a specific issue (and sometimes because the religious or political leaders were just nuts), and when that need is no longer accurate the law remains because they said it was "from god," and since god never changes, his law shouldn't either.

This is why you are wrong, yet you are so stubborn you will not accept the most rational argument you stick to your stubborn hopeless argument.

You bring up the Sin question and then answer it yourself; no matter what a Christian says about sin, you have your pov, and that is it.

Who gets to define sin, though?

The lists given out by religious people seem to change and rarely intersect with those mentioned in the original texts.

Do you have an innate opinion on what constitutes sin in 2024, in your life? Do you need a fixed catechismic definition that holds for perpetuity, otherwise sin is null and void"?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Mine- Succumbing to the temptations of this material world when you know deep down, that choice was flawed because it is against the teachings of God.
Known definitions? Basically separation from God by doing things known to be disobedient to His will, eg disbelief in Him, doubting Him, choosing self over what we are taught is God's will for each of us.
As if anybody here does not know or understand what sin is- it's more a question of accepting sin is departure from God's way.

Because I’m not a religious believer I can confidently say after many decades on this planet that I have absolutely no idea what sin is.