fumbler
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Don't include me in your bigot post.
I never said I didn't want anything in the flag I posted to stop bring race into the comments.
If you lot choose to make this about race or religion then gtfo.
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Don't include me in your bigot post.
I never said I didn't want anything in the flag I posted to stop bring race into the comments.
If you lot choose to make this about race or religion then gtfo.
fumbler
Lazy, Very Very Lazy
Oh tickle me with a feather, the context is neither the way you tried to twist it or taken the way you have posted it.
See this is the reason I don't want it changed.
Also can we change the aboriginal flag to included my smile?
I disagree that it would make them out to be "more important" than the rest of the country. The Union Jack is not designed to do so in regards to the UK, it is there because we are a Commonwealth realm. An indigenous element would carry a completely different meaning to the Union Jack.
Canada's flag is great, and I think the one contesting the referendum in NZ is good too, but that doesn't mean we have to go down that path. NZ especially has a very different relationship with its indigenous people compared to us.
A flag is, among many things, an international symbol of a country. I think it would be great for foreigners to see an Australian flag and wonder "what's that shape/symbol there for?", and go on to discover a bit about our history.
I certainly believe that a flag that shows a bit of our history can nonetheless be a "flag for everyone".
Craegus
One and Only
The Union Jack may have been placed there for that reason, but it has become a symbol for other reasons which are not what we want or need in a flag.
There is so much more Australian history than just that one element. Yes it is a major part, but everyone else has a history here and not all of them have that connection to the indigenous history so the flag should never be a representation of just one element of a nations history, rather one that represents all of it.
So that is why something that features our national colours and the federation star and probably the southern cross is a far better representation as it includes rather than excludes. The colours be it red for the soil that makes up the vast majority of our land, blue for the sea and sky that surrounds us, white for the beaches, or green and gold for either the national floral symbol the wattle or our sporting heritage. The federation star for the unification of all the individual states and territories into the current nation that we live. And the Southern Cross as a symbol that is unique to the southern hemisphere and sits above our entire nation looking over us as one. Those elements are far more thought provoking and representative to Australia in the 21st century than any other symbol could ever be.
TBFH indigenous imagery and a God darn kangaroo are about the only things uniquely Strayan to be genuinely suggested as part of our flag. Commonwealth doesn't count because the rest of the world will be like 'cool, a star'
I'd love to see what an aboriginal elder has to say about the flag.
fumbler
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Why would they care when they have one they want?
hitthepost
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The gold section either needs to be in the dead centre or closer to the hoist; currently it feels like it's just floating in the middle of the two positions.
Spanna_
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I don't think they'd really care.
IMO, Craegus is dead right. Why already divide our nation with symbols that MUST showcase our country's Aboriginal heritage, when we can design something that represents ALL of Australians, not just singling out a minority group that some are suggesting?
Craegus
One and Only
Really? The USA has just Stars and Stripes but those have a massive amount of meaning, and many other countries have the same, so why do we have to have something that is specifically Australian that the rest of the world instantly knows is an Australian image. Shouldn't our flag have symbology that has meaning to all of us (the colours and the stars) rather than just be a brand icon for everyone else while having far less specific meaning to us (the Kangaroo is on our Coat of Arms and should remain there, and Indigenous imagery is far too specific and relates to only a small part of our entire nations make up).
Exactly. I'd like to know if they care.
fumbler
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Well get going and start asking, or are you one of the ones that wants someone else to find out for you?
People indigenous to a land are not 'just' a minority group. In my opinion.
I honestly don't care about the flag (anymore). I'm trying to put out there that everyone saying 'we need to acknowledge aboriginals' might not be the best thing since we don't even know if that's what they want.
fumbler
Lazy, Very Very Lazy
I'm indigenous to this land, but you don't value my opinion.
Spanna_
The secret ingredient is crime
I'm not devaluing Aboriginal or Torres strait Islanders by any means. I'm just pointing out that these names are just that- names.
Dylan8
Bar Up
Are you an indigenous Australian or is this some dumb white person statement?
fumbler
Lazy, Very Very Lazy
Racist.
You know the meaning of indigenous right?
Are the truly any indigenous people of this land if Adam and eve are from Africa?
Dylan8
Bar Up
It means you're a descendant of the people who originally inhabited the land.
fumbler
Lazy, Very Very Lazy
No it doesn't, look again.
How is a kangaroo indigenous then if its not a people?
How is a kangaroo indigenous then if its not a people?
Dylan8
Bar Up
This is embarrassing. I am embarrassed for you.
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Indigenous with a capital I and indigenous with a lowercase i are different words.
One refers to a specific racial and cultural group, the other refers to the origin of something.
Confusing the two definitions says is quite dangerous.
