Australian politician ‘sold out’ to foreign regime after being recruited by spies, Asio boss says
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China will be completely self sufficient in 50 years… they’ll set up their economy so they can close themselves off to the western world.
They are exploiting idiot countries like Australia right now, that are willing to sell them natural resources that they dont have for peanuts….
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No that’s stupidity …. Have you seen the tent cities in the US??? Have you seen the US debt level?
Which country is forcing more people into poverty?
Which country is bringing people out of poverty?
They practiced their bullying in central and Latin America in the mid 19th century and then went full bore shortly after World War Two.
We are an appendage of the USA when it comes to the information we are given to consume and it leads to anti this that or the other, whomever the US deems is "evil".
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Where have China expanded to?
Uninhabited islands don’t count as expansionism … in my book.
how much of Australia does the US own? Compared to China?
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When do you want to start with China's "historical" expansionism and it's current territorial boundaries?
Do you want to start with the Qing Dynasty, 1639 to 1912 that covered an area of about 13,400,000 square kilometres? China's current land mass is some 9,300,000 square kilometres so in 110 years, China's land mass has actually contracted.
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England were a murdering colonial ppwer that took whole countries such as India ect
the remnants of that Imperialist power still exist in Australia - the only former colony that does not recognise the indigenous people of the "conquered" land and the only former colony whose national day celebrates the day of colonisation and not the day of independence.
They built an empire and then lost some of it. They expand, hit the skids, and then expand again. It's been happening through their history.
So that's an excuse for China to bully their neighbours?
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Better than murdering them like the English did when they had power. Come back to me when China invade a country or claim the Faulkland Islands or something.
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they shot their own citizens for shits and giggles at Tiananmen
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America did the same thing in Ohio in the 60's
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10000?
Bob Hawke being a shill again, numbers are obviously disputed but that's a crazy high estimate. If I were a betting man I'd say between Amnesty international and Swiss ambassador, maybe 500-1500. Still a shitload and an absolute stain on the CCP
"On the morning of 4 June, many estimates of deaths were reported, including from government-affiliated sources. Peking University leaflets circulated on campus suggested a death toll of between two and three thousand. The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 deaths but later denied having given such a figure.[15][16] The Swiss Ambassador had estimated 2,700.[17] Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times wrote on 21 June that "it seems plausible that about a dozen soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians."[18] United States ambassador James Lilley said that, based on visits to hospitals around Beijing, a minimum of several hundred had been killed.[238] A declassified National Security Agency cable filed on the same day estimated 180–500 deaths up to the morning of 4 June.[174] Beijing hospital records compiled shortly after the events recorded at least 478 dead and 920 wounded.[239] Amnesty International's estimates put the number of deaths at between several hundred and close to 1,000,[15][20] while a Western diplomat who compiled estimates put the number at 300 to 1,000.[18]
In a 2017 disputed cable sent in the aftermath of the events at Tiananmen, British Ambassador Alan Donald initially claimed, based on information from a "good friend" in the China State Council, that a minimum of 10,000 civilians died,[240] claims which were repeated in a speech by Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke,[241] but which is an estimated number much higher than other sources provided.[242][243] After the declassification, former student protest leader Feng Congde pointed out that Donald later revised his estimate to 2,700–3,400 deaths, a number closer to, but still much higher than, other estimates.[244]"
1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre - Wikipedia
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No 6, but they did kill maybe 100 million American Indians.
'Historian David Stannard estimates that the extermination of Indigenous peoples took the lives of 100 million people: "...the total extermination of many American Indian peoples and the near-extermination of others, in numbers that eventually totaled close to 100,000,000."[15] (wikipedia)
One for modern times
'The My Lai massacre (/ˌmiːˈlaɪ/; Vietnamese: Thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰâːm ʂǎːt mǐˀ lāːj] ⓘ) was a war crime committed by United States Army personnel on 16 March 1968, involving the mass murder of unarmed civilians in Sơn Tịnh district, South Vietnam, during the Vietnam War.[1] Between 347 and 504 civilians were killed by U.S. soldiers from Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-r*ped and their bodies mutilated, and some soldiers mutilated and r*ped children who were as young as 12.[2][3] It is the largest publicized massacre of civilians by U.S. forces in the 20th century.[4]'
Soldiers were pardoned by Nixon.
So how's your comparison with China now?
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The US have 20% of the world’s prisoners locked up, 40,000 homocides a year….
The US don’t have the moral high ground to criticise any country on human rights issues.
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I don’t ‘trust’ the US and I doubt many countries on the planet do.. people suck up to them, like little lap dogs, because they are the most powerful.
2 things makes the US powerful, it’s dollar and military.
This is why BRICS’s decision to create a blockchain currency to avoid trading in US dollars is so significant… and the decay in US society and living standards will continue.
The only power the US will Have left is it’s military power…
And it’s history of meddling in other countries affairs will come back to bite them….
Lucky they have a choice between trump and Biden to sought the mess out …. God help us, the next 20-30 years will be one of the most dangerous periods on earth IMO.
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Unchanged. I’m not interested in colonial history events (it’s as irrelevant and pointing out the many many civil wars in classical to medieval times) and the war crime is well basically nothing when argument is about killing own citizens for shits and giggles, and done by current administration (ie the same CCP). Who is also locking up and ethnically cleansing the uighurs.
This is by no mean “USA goood” just USA better than China imo. It is getting closer
