Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[The Shapeshifter]

Yeah.. best you read the article and understand it before you go using it to start pointing to it being about a failure of renewables..

Its not.

Its about a transmission cable taking longer to install than expected which is delaying all the energy currently being generated from new renewable sources around the country being delivered into SA..

Another miserable fail from TopG..

Surely this is pie in the sky dreaming. Doesn't South Australia have the largest production of renewals per capita and if so, why would they need to plug into other states' renewable generation? Surely this is about SA no longer generating any baseload power using fossil fuels and needing to plug into the east's grid that can power up on still nights.

 

[The Shapeshifter]

Anything you disagree with is bias. How surprising!

So when you post stuff from Fox News/Sky News/Murdoch papers. No bias in those at all?


All valid questions tho in the article. Again, why won’t business build/refit these nuclear power stations?

Maybe because there's currentky legislation in place that bans the production of nuclear energy. Businesses won't invest in an industry that can't go ahead based upon law. I expect that you'd support the repealing of the act that prohibits nuclear power so that the market can sort it out?

 

[Mutineer]

Surely this is pie in the sky dreaming. Doesn't South Australia have the largest production of renewals per capita and if so, why would they need to plug into other states' renewable generation? Surely this is about SA no longer generating any baseload power using fossil fuels and needing to plug into the east's grid that can power up on still nights.

Spot on

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I wonder if the ABC would interview Dick Smith on this issue.

 

[Mutineer]

I wonder if the ABC would interview Dick Smith on this issue.

Not a chance, they'll get the Wentworth Waffler Mal Turdbull on or billionaire Simon Holmes a Court both of whom have major investments in renewables...you know that as well as me.

 

[Slippery Pete]

What a business does is up to them?

As long as the owners understand they’re morons, arseholes, w***ers, and hated by the majority.

Looks like they do, as they’ve since issued a grovelling apology lmao.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Not a chance, they'll get the Wentworth Waffler Mal Turdbull on or billionaire Simon Holmes a Court both of whom have major investments in renewables...you know that as well as me.

Energy illiterate politicians have undermined our power grid and will leave our nation poorer and weaker​

Last week the political push to build an electricity system based on erratic generation collided with the physics of delivering reliable power.
And when physics and politics clash, physics always wins.

NSW Premier Chris Minns underlined this iron law as he urged his people to turn down their electricity consumption to save the power system from collapse.

“Solar production in the energy markets starts to come off at 3pm, at exactly the same time as people return home from work,” Minns said.

“If you can not run your pool filter, not run your dishwasher, not run your washing machine, this afternoon between 3pm and 8pm, you’ll help the grid.”



And three times as much weather-dependent capacity must be built to replace every coal generator that retires. They have to be sprayed over a vast amount of land and linked together with 10,000km of new transmission lines.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/energy-illiterate-politicians-have-undermined-our-power-grid-and-will-leave-our-nation-poorer-and-weaker-chris-uhlmann/news-story/336468163de5e619e9795979e5890ea6?utm_source=TheAdvertiser&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=ADV_PREM-PM_NEW_01&net_sub_id=285893080&type=curated&position=4

 

[rocket18]

Surely this is pie in the sky dreaming. Doesn't South Australia have the largest production of renewals per capita and if so, why would they need to plug into other states' renewable generation? Surely this is about SA no longer generating any baseload power using fossil fuels and needing to plug into the east's grid that can power up on still nights.

During the day it will be used to export our surplus power, we are hitting 100% renewables during clear cool days, so much so that solar farms have to be shut off.

As you say once the sun goes down is when it goes pear shape as our base load generators are disappearing hence we need to tap into the Eastern states coal fired generation.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

LOL
Dr. Adi Paterson is an expert, one of the foremost nuclear science experts in the World.

He'd have Tristan Edis and the CSIRO well covered when it comes to nuclear science ten fold.

heck are you still going on about nuclear.

It's not happening Bicks!!!

It's Dutton's trojan horse & you have followed him hook, line & sinker.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I get the feeling you think you are smarter than what you are which is clearly a simpleton.

Most ironic post of the day!

 

[Mutineer]

heck are you still going on about nuclear.

It's not happening Bicks!!!

It's Dutton's trojan horse & you have followed him hook, line & sinker.

Gey back to me after the long hot summer...

Albo will be off to the election in the new year because there's no way he'll want to deliver a new budget before all the chickens come home to roost with massive deficits as far as you can see into the future. I'm tipping it will be soon after the WA election. Blackouts over summer will kill him if they happen which is very much on the cards.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Gey back to me after the long hot summer...

Albo will be off to the election in the new year because there's no way he'll want to deliver a new budget before all the chickens come home to roost with massive deficits as far as you can see into the future. I'm tipping it will be soon after the WA election. Blackouts over summer will kill him if they happen which is very much on the cards.

I'm getting back to you now Bicks!

Right here right now, Nuclear is not happening.

The fact you think Dutton is actually serious shows how gullible you are!

Wont happen in your lifetime.

Wont happen in my lifetime

How about you start talking realistic solutions.

 

[Mutineer]

I'm getting back to you now Bicks!

Right here right now, Nuclear is not happening.

The fact you think Dutton is actually serious shows how gullible you are!

Wont happen in your lifetime.

Wont happen in my lifetime

How about you start talking realistic solutions.

Might be a good idea if you did the same.

Nobody's against renewables being a major part of energy delivery but there is nothing on the horizon that suggests we won't always need a firming source and the cleanest possible source of that is nuclear. Batteries won't ever cut the mustard.

 

[Mutineer]

Interesting times ahead for the Albanese and Plibersek relationship.

Big trouble on the horizon for these two.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Might be a good idea if you did the same.

Nobody's against renewables being a major part of energy delivery but there is nothing on the horizon that suggests we won't always need a firming source and the cleanest possible source of that is nuclear. Batteries won't ever cut the mustard.

Gas is going to be the go until a bigger battery source is sorted out.

Nuclear will not happen as not only is not financially viable it wouldn't happen soon enough even if you could get agreement by all governments.

We are now wearing the lack of a decent energy policy for decades... including your braniac Angus Taylor.

 

[Mutineer]

Gas is going to be the go until a bigger battery source is sorted out.

Nuclear will not happen as not only is not financially viable it wouldn't happen soon enough even if you could get agreement by all governments.

We are now wearing the lack of a decent energy policy for decades... including your braniac Angus Taylor.

LOL

big batteries, you've got it real bad..

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

LOL

big batteries, you've got it real bad..

Coming from the guy who actually thinks nuclear is realistic lol.

One of us will be proven true & won't be Mr Nuclear lol.

 

[rocket18]

Gas is going to be the go until a bigger battery source is sorted out.

Nuclear will not happen as not only is not financially viable it wouldn't happen soon enough even if you could get agreement by all governments.

We are now wearing the lack of a decent energy policy for decades... including your braniac Angus Taylor.

The answer is not batteries, the 'Big Batteries' are only to provide crucial inertia when solar and wind flucuate. The battery can kick in instantly to provide stability to the network.

It could only power the state for 10 minutes.

Its a shame the lefties shutdown nuclear discussion for the last 30 years, it was by far the cleanest option to provide the base generation to renewables.

Edit: And we haven't even factored in "every house will have an electric vehicle by 2030". As mentioned political dreams can't overcome basic physics.

 

[Slippery Pete]

 

[Mutineer]

Diesel LOL

But gas dontcha know...More of Lefty KMc's delusion..

 

[Mutineer]

Disgusting foreign intervention in Australia, no doubt our ALP/Lefty mates won't have a problem with this disgraceful behaviour by foreign billionaire entities meddling in Australia's business. It's only a problem when it's seen to effect the ALP in the Political sphere.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/wealthy-foreigners-help-fund-environmental-defenders-office-to-stall-australian-energy-projects-in-the-courts/news-story/3ddb68050575b2a3d7e6ab464b238a33

Wealthy foreigners help fund Environmental Defenders Office to stall Australian energy projects in the courts​

The billionaire widow of Apple’s Steve Jobs is leading a foreign charge to funnel money to a taxpayer-funded activist body that tries to block Australian energy projects in court.

American clothing giant Patagonia, the foundation launched by the widow of Apple founder Steve Jobs and the Albanese Government have joined forces to fund protracted litigation that is stymieing job-creating energy projects across our nation.
Millions of dollars in overseas donations to the Environmental Defenders Office come on top of almost $15m in taxpayer funds from the federal and state governments over the past five years that have been used to stall resource developments in the courts.

Now the EDO has come under fire in the Federal Court for concocting Indigenous songlines to block Santos’s $5.7bn LNG pipeline in the Timor Sea, and questions are being asked about the motives behind its overseas financiers.

Justice Natalie Charlesworth was scathing of the tactics used by the EDO’s lawyers, saying they had engaged “in a form of subtle witness coaching” and had presented evidence “so lacking in integrity that no weight can be placed on them”.

The EDO was last week ordered to pay Santos’s entire costs totalling more than $9m.

 

[steve9798]

Would you believe Australian Venue Co that owns these pubs/Restaurants/ etc venues are actually owned by an Asian Investment Fund.

Strangely this mob have plenty of other "days"..

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www.ausvenueco.com.au

Big Gay Day
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International Woman's Day
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If you were into conspiracy theories, you might conclude that is part of a CCP plan to destroy our institutions and traditions. The CCP love's watching the west implode with its agenda of deranged woke ideologies, ideologies that it will not tolerate in China.

 

[kirky]

Maybe because there's currentky legislation in place that bans the production of nuclear energy. Businesses won't invest in an industry that can't go ahead based upon law. I expect that you'd support the repealing of the act that prohibits nuclear power so that the market can sort it out?

Irrespective even if the law got reversed and legislated, business won’t invest in it for the obvious reason - they never are built in time or on budget.

The act won’t get repealed - end of story.

This is a Mr Potato Head thought bubble.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Great article by Chris Uhlmann about this topic. Perhaps Mutineer can post the full online version?

Also:

 

[kirky]

The answer is not batteries, the 'Big Batteries' are only to provide crucial inertia when solar and wind flucuate. The battery can kick in instantly to provide stability to the network.

It could only power the state for 10 minutes.

Its a shame the lefties shutdown nuclear discussion for the last 30 years, it was by far the cleanest option to provide the base generation to renewables.

Edit: And we haven't even factored in "every house will have an electric vehicle by 2030". As mentioned political dreams can't overcome basic physics.

So full of it.

The Howard government in 2004 had control of both the HOR and Senate after the 2004 Federal Election. If Howard had the balls, he could have legislated but he didn’t.

Don’t blame the Left when the Coalition actually had the power to do something and did nothing (other than bring in Workchoices - had no issue bashing the workforce).