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GreyCrow said:
Contemplating whether a different move might have kept me in the game

Blinds are 3/6k and I am BB.

Utg raises to 15k and it folds to me with KK and 33k extra.

I shove

Utg eventually calls and turns over A8

And yes A on the river is enough

My thought was what would happen if I flat called the 15k and see a low flop of 963 and then shove - do they fold?

I know I am quarterbacking because the flop was low

But would I get away with it? Does my flat indicate low pockets and I get away with it?

Thoughts?
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Unlucky to get rivered

Raiser got lucky, don't over think this one

I got screwed over on Wednesday last week AQ vs A9 and I already had a call from the SB who probably folded what was likely an eventual winner, bloke in the BB rips it over the top with his A9 and forces the SB to fold. I was all in for 250k at 40-80k blinds.

Safe king high flop, jack of hearts on the turn, gives me a straight draw but he a flush draw, he hits a black 9 on the river to send me packing, the bloke completely overvalued the strength of his hand and got lucky in what should have been a triple up for me, what can I do? I'll outplay this bloke time and time again with his loose range if I come up against him again, can't keep on relying on luck.
 
go you pups said:
Unlucky to get rivered

Raiser got lucky, don't over think this one

I got screwed over on Wednesday last week AQ vs A9 and I already had a call from the SB who probably folded what was likely an eventual winner, bloke in the BB rips it over the top with his A9 and forces the SB to fold. I was all in for 250k at 40-80k blinds.

Safe king high flop, jack of hearts on the turn, gives me a straight draw but he a flush draw, he hits a black 9 on the river to send me packing, the bloke completely overvalued the strength of his hand and got lucky in what should have been a triple up for me, what can I do? I'll outplay this bloke time and time again with his loose range if I come up against him again, can't keep on relying on luck.
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Yeah I know I did the right thing just grumbling

More trying to open my mind to other possibilities without shoving

The guy luckboxed all night

Final table 3 to go he shoves with AT gets called by KJ who hits 2 pair on the turn only for the Q on the river

He has QQ against AK A on the flop A on the turn and Q on the river
 
GreyCrow said:
Yeah I know I did the right thing just grumbling

More trying to open my mind to other possibilities without shoving

The guy luckboxed all night

Final table 3 to go he shoves with AT gets called by KJ who hits 2 pair on the turn only for the Q on the river

He has QQ against AK A on the flop A on the turn and Q on the river
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It happens bro

I came 3rd on Friday

Bloke who won luckboxed every all in hand from the final 3 tables onwards, I was getting blinded out and folded everything the luckboxer was involved with but I held on for pay jumps as there was no way I was going to win with the way he was running, 2nd or 3rd was my best chance

Like the way he got me, I had T7 suited in the BB but had just over 1 BB, he put me all in no look and rolls over 63os

Flop KT8 rainbow, ok, 7 turn, oh shit I have 2 pair but he's gunna hit a 9 on the river 100% and yepppp there it is...

Last year Season 1 I wasn't playing that much, only played just enough to qualify for State Championships, but yeah I had like 3 Friday nights in a row around February/March where I got it in way ahead with aces vs kings or kings vs queens right before the final table, every single time they sucked out and either sent me packing or left me with crumbs. I ended up going on tilt on Fridays for 2 more months and changed venue 3 times (played at 4 different places) before I finally won 2 weeks in a row in May and settled down at 2 places to play at on a Friday for the rest of the year, the place I copped those bad beats in at the end of summer I eventually started winning at, also had 1 run end of last year/start of this year where I FTd 8 games in a row and cashed 6 times (1 1st, 2 2nds, 3 3rds)
 

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Blinds 10/20k

Make final table with 289k utg3

utg1 raises to 75k utg2 throws his last 30k in I pull my cards back to see KK - I jam to isolate

Fold fold until BB jams his 250k

Utg repops his 330k

He then turns over AA small stack AJ my KK is matched by BB KK

River gives AJ the straight and KK X 2 is out
 
GreyCrow said:
Blinds 10/20k

Make final table with 289k utg3

utg1 raises to 75k utg2 throws his last 30k in I pull my cards back to see KK - I jam to isolate

Fold fold until BB jams his 250k

Utg repops his 330k

He then turns over AA small stack AJ my KK is matched by BB KK

River gives AJ the straight and KK X 2 is out
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Been thinking this one over the last few months, however

I'm getting really tired of grinding it out in cheaper games ($30-40 buy ins in small-medium 30-50 player fields) where there's only say $300-500 at the top to win and most of the time I'll come say 3rd/4th and get maybe $150-200. Awesome it'll pay for my next week or two of games where I'm slugging it out 3-4 nights a week, but it's at a point where I'm only marginally ahead when you're factoring time spent sitting down playing plus the half hour drive on average to various pubs/clubs.

Last season I had a personal record 13 cashes in a season from just over 50 games and I won nearly 3k (was well over if you count PTCs), but when you're breaking down my cashes, I won

$410 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$340 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$250 ($30 game)
$240 ($25 game)
$235 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$220 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$210 ($40 game)
$190×2 ($30 + $25 game)
$180 ($30 game)
$160 ($30 game)
$110 ($40 game)
$80 ($30 game)

$2815 IIRC

And from those 50 or so games, I would've easily averaged 3 hours of playing time per game, sure some games I'd bust out within 90 minutes, though I final tabled about 20 games, some games going the best part of 5 hours.

So I've calculated a formula (I'm guessing this is nothing new), but I think it'll be worth it in the long run.

Basically the average paying minimum wage would be about $30 an hour, if I have to sit down for 4 hours in a $30 game with 30 players to come 1st and win $300, that's only double my time and money (4 hours × $30 + $30 = $150), even though I just won 10 buy ins, the number on this formula is just 2.

My best ever number using this formula is 3.71 × my time and money. I chopped 2 ways a 4 hour $60 game for $650 each, this was also my 2nd biggest live cash. My biggest live cash of $700 hit 3.09 on the time and money formula. Another time I chopped 3 ways for $600 each, that was 3.42.

I think making 3× your time and money should be the bare minimum.

That $410 cash best effort from last season was from a win where I chopped the cash with 2nd as it was past midnight but I won on chip stack, on this formula I was in for $50 on the night and played for 4 and a half hours ($185 needed to breakeven on time and money), 410 ÷185 = 2.21

So it seems to me I should be playing $50-60 buy ins in big fields that pay $800-1500 at the top, or more expensive games with middling/solid numbers (most expensive games I'll occasionally play is $110 buy ins 45-70 players, these pay $1500-3000 at the top)

In the short-medium term it'll probably be expensive, but once I can find a decent cash or two it'll give me a buffer for a few weeks to build upon, it'll also mean I will drop down to about 5 playing nights a fortnight, instead of 7-8 which is what I've wanted to do for a while, but haven't been able to as yet.
 
go you pups said:
Been thinking this one over the last few months, however

I'm getting really tired of grinding it out in cheaper games ($30-40 buy ins in small-medium 30-50 player fields) where there's only say $300-500 at the top to win and most of the time I'll come say 3rd/4th and get maybe $150-200. Awesome it'll pay for my next week or two of games where I'm slugging it out 3-4 nights a week, but it's at a point where I'm only marginally ahead when you're factoring time spent sitting down playing plus the half hour drive on average to various pubs/clubs.

Last season I had a personal record 13 cashes in a season from just over 50 games and I won nearly 3k (was well over if you count PTCs), but when you're breaking down my cashes, I won

$410 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$340 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$250 ($30 game)
$240 ($25 game)
$235 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$220 ($40 game + $10 LPS chop)
$210 ($40 game)
$190×2 ($30 + $25 game)
$180 ($30 game)
$160 ($30 game)
$110 ($40 game)
$80 ($30 game)

$2815 IIRC

And from those 50 or so games, I would've easily averaged 3 hours of playing time per game, sure some games I'd bust out within 90 minutes, though I final tabled about 20 games, some games going the best part of 5 hours.

So I've calculated a formula (I'm guessing this is nothing new), but I think it'll be worth it in the long run.

Basically the average paying minimum wage would be about $30 an hour, if I have to sit down for 4 hours in a $30 game with 30 players to come 1st and win $300, that's only double my time and money (4 hours × $30 + $30 = $150), even though I just won 10 buy ins, the number on this formula is just 2.

My best ever number using this formula is 3.71 × my time and money. I chopped 2 ways a 4 hour $60 game for $650 each, this was also my 2nd biggest live cash. My biggest live cash of $700 hit 3.09 on the time and money formula. Another time I chopped 3 ways for $600 each, that was 3.42.

I think making 3× your time and money should be the bare minimum.

That $410 cash best effort from last season was from a win where I chopped the cash with 2nd as it was past midnight but I won on chip stack, on this formula I was in for $50 on the night and played for 4 and a half hours ($185 needed to breakeven on time and money), 410 ÷185 = 2.21

So it seems to me I should be playing $50-60 buy ins in big fields that pay $800-1500 at the top, or more expensive games with middling/solid numbers (most expensive games I'll occasionally play is $110 buy ins 45-70 players, these pay $1500-3000 at the top)

In the short-medium term it'll probably be expensive, but once I can find a decent cash or two it'll give me a buffer for a few weeks to build upon, it'll also mean I will drop down to about 5 playing nights a fortnight, instead of 7-8 which is what I've wanted to do for a while, but haven't been able to as yet.
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I like this set up

I will study it a bit more but I like it

The problem as you have assessed it is the value for effort

Is going up in $ also met by higher level of skill required? Or is it more targeting the $50-75 pub games with the same crowd

For me Mon/Tue are $30 with $30 rebuy ( 1 only) and as an example tonight top paid $425 and $215 for 30 runners

Yet Friday night $50/50 pays $800 for 1st and $500 2nd approx similar numbers - and while geographically far apart these games have similar players who will all gather in 3 weeks time for the big week long tournament where the prize pool will be inflated towards the $2800 1st place pots in most games ie crazy p , Bounty and other games to drag the punters in

Just as an example most cash game players aim for that $30 an hour level which might seem small but grinding 10 hours a day/night for $300 profit is meant to be the norm. Of course most will fluctuate but that is the aim when running soft
 
GreyCrow said:
I like this set up

I will study it a bit more but I like it

The problem as you have assessed it is the value for effort

Is going up in $ also met by higher level of skill required? Or is it more targeting the $50-75 pub games with the same crowd

For me Mon/Tue are $30 with $30 rebuy ( 1 only) and as an example tonight top paid $425 and $215 for 30 runners

Yet Friday night $50/50 pays $800 for 1st and $500 2nd approx similar numbers - and while geographically far apart these games have similar players who will all gather in 3 weeks time for the big week long tournament where the prize pool will be inflated towards the $2800 1st place pots in most games ie crazy p , Bounty and other games to drag the punters in

Just as an example most cash game players aim for that $30 an hour level which might seem small but grinding 10 hours a day/night for $300 profit is meant to be the norm. Of course most will fluctuate but that is the aim when running soft
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Funny thing is the most expensive weekly game I play I feel isn't too hard, I've only played it 3 times that's the problem, just haven't persisted with it yet. I have came 12th and 9th the last 2 I've played and it averages about 50 players, just haven't been able to chip up once the blinds hit 20-40k to get into a decent final table position, other than that I've played it right.

Some of the $60 games I play are much harder, deeper fields (70-100 players) and those games attract players that only play bigger buy ins, but sometimes I'll bust out final 2-3-4 tables and it's way past 11 o'clock, so I know I've had a decent crack at it, just fallen short in the end game and I'll be somewhat tired the next day as I've probably used my brain more.

I actually enjoy the challenge of playing against better players though, you don't get donked out on as much, generally lose to better starting hands, or a hand with massive equity. Last night I had to rip it with a flush draw blinds were 60k and I only had 190k on the bubble in the BB facing 3 limpers, sitting here with 78 of diamonds, board was Q♥️2♦️3 ♦️, SB checks I rip it, folds back to the SB and he snaps it off with KT of diamonds 😑 and we both get there on the river, another bloke busted out on the other table same time, so I had him covered on chip stack for the better place.
 
Haven't actually played much lately.. did go Wednesday (I shouldn't of) was so tired. Been very busy at work. Was 3/4's asleep at the table and in the end I made my bluff with ace high and wasn't very upset to get called and get knocked out. Went home straight to bed.

Think I'll have a break as well... (Except for the southern poker tournament I plan to play that)
 
Will probably commit to these expensive games until the end of November then will have to rethink over December what direction I go in for next year if I don't get a few cashes over the next 5-6 weeks, hence I might have to scrap the $100 game I'm playing for the time being (there will also be a few end of the year specials I need to make sure I have a few buy ins for leading up to Xmas/NY) and drop down to the $40-60 range to get a few cashes on the board again if needs be. I am trying very hard to not be results oriented in the short term where is potentially where I've gone wrong in the past and have not given certain games a chance, so yeah about 7 or so weeks to work with for this block of games before I decide to persist or drop away.

I am finding freezeout poker is better at the moment compared to add on/chip up where I find all sorts of players, like you'll still get loose types in expensive games but not as many, but I haven't found a way in the end game yet to push on after the 2nd break to sit on a final table stack. That being said, I'm only 4 games and 12 days into this freezeout period of games (there's upto 4 venues I've identified to go and play at the moment though I've only played 2 of them), I've made it past the 2nd break every game and hit the final 16 rankings points twice, so I'm not too far off hopefully, tonight was my worst one of the 4, but still made it past 930 break, was really just 1 big 3 way hand where I had a bricked flopped nut flush draw away from being competitive for the night (would've had around 300k if I got there), alas 35-40% of my stack was gone before the 2nd break and had to ship it with AT after break (done by AQ). All well, go again on Thursday and probably 1 day of the weekend.
 
Not me but a friend

Final Table still 9 left blinds 15/30k friend has 120k-ish utg and peels back AJo

Shoves - fold fold fold 'call - huh oh wait uh I said call right ok how much ' I immediately said you're gonna get Effed hard - everyone else folds and she turns her cards over as does he

82diamond - everybody was wtf and to be fair he was sheepish

Oh yeah 3 diamonds on the flop with an AJ in the runout so no matter what my friend did they were gonna be dead
 

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dirty2 said:
Blinds 2k/4k utg raises to 4k I'm utg +1 I 3bet to 8k (with pocket A's)

Flop K,6,7

Utg shoves all in... 🤔

I call.. she has pocket 9's

The turn is a 9 😐 river a brick...

And I'm out.
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Sounds like you just min raised here

I'd be pumping it up to like 25k here preflop, that being said fish don't fold
 

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