Hey princess, little bit over the top
Nope...skunk.
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Baker charged with 'unduly rough play'
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Nope...skunk.
Farmer ends up on the ground with concussion and a broken nose. If nothng happens on account of there being no video of the event, the tribunal is being totally negligent. There are other ways of determining what occured. Eye-witnesses, cross examination of players, examiniation of injuries and probable cause.
There is an explanation. It is the tribunal's duty to seek this explanation.
If the tribunal concludes that the explanation is a behind the play hit, the culprit should be suspended for 10-12 weeks.
There is an explanation. It is the tribunal's duty to seek this explanation.
If the tribunal concludes that the explanation is a behind the play hit, the culprit should be suspended for 10-12 weeks.
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Yes but an UMPIRE normally cited an incident. What next Some Dockers bogan whos pissed sitting at home watching the game on tv can ring up the AFL and bring charges against Baker?
Yes but an UMPIRE normally cited an incident. What next Some Dockers bogan whos pissed sitting at home watching the game on tv can ring up the AFL and bring charges against Baker?
Exactly...
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You're right, the umpire can report a player. And the match review panel can also refer a case to the tribunal if they feel that there is a case to answer. So what's your point cos you really didn't make it clear.
You're right, the umpire can report a player. And the match review panel can also refer a case to the tribunal if they feel that there is a case to answer. So what's your point cos you really didn't make it clear.
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The AFL has the power to refer a case directly to the tribunal where witnesses to the incident are called. If Baker did nothing wrong then he shouldn't be too concerned but it seems that some people did see something and thats what the tribunal hearing is supposed to determine.
The AFL has the power to refer a case directly to the tribunal where witnesses to the incident are called. If Baker did nothing wrong then he shouldn't be too concerned but it seems that some people did see something and thats what the tribunal hearing is supposed to determine.
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If he sees it on TV then there will be video footage, wont there?
Anyway, Vossy says he saw it. Will he be subpoenaed?
If he sees it on TV then there will be video footage, wont there?
Anyway, Vossy says he saw it. Will he be subpoenaed?
sherb
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So really they still need to have procedures in place to cover incidents that fall into that category.
Theoretically it is still possible for an incident to be missed by both umpires and cameras.
So really they still need to have procedures in place to cover incidents that fall into that category.
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Voss claims to have seen the hit.
As a listed player with BrisVegas he could be called before the tribunal.
Also regarding why...I heard it was Bakers van Farmer assaulted a while back...and he loves that van.
In all honesty if Baker snotted Farmer and nobody saw it good bloody luck to him...Farmer is no saint (pardon the pun) and he would have been asking for it.
Voss claims to have seen the hit.
As a listed player with BrisVegas he could be called before the tribunal.
Also regarding why...I heard it was Bakers van Farmer assaulted a while back...and he loves that van.
In all honesty if Baker snotted Farmer and nobody saw it good bloody luck to him...Farmer is no saint (pardon the pun) and he would have been asking for it.
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(Can't believe I'm going to defend Baker...)
Where did this supposedly take place? From the radio commentary (haven't been able to watch the game yet) it sounded like it happened in/near to the goalsquare. What was the goal umpire doing? Don't they still have the authority to report players? Surely he would've seen *something* if this were the case...?
(Can't believe I'm going to defend Baker...)
Where did this supposedly take place? From the radio commentary (haven't been able to watch the game yet) it sounded like it happened in/near to the goalsquare. What was the goal umpire doing? Don't they still have the authority to report players? Surely he would've seen *something* if this were the case...?
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Re: Saints hitman caught in the act
Centre square apparently.(Can't believe I'm going to defend Baker...)
Where did this supposedly take place? From the radio commentary (haven't been able to watch the game yet) it sounded like it happened in/near to the goalsquare. What was the goal umpire doing? Don't they still have the authority to report players? Surely he would've seen *something* if this were the case...?
scorpion2466
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Settle down.
Good news for us
Thanks Freo, for all the damage you did to the Saints. Could well mean we finish top 2 after all
Settle down.
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What garbage. If an offense occurs and there are witnesses it goes to the tribunal and they make a decision on the facts presented. Maybe Baker is guilty, maybe not, but it needs to go to the tribunal.
What garbage. If an offense occurs and there are witnesses it goes to the tribunal and they make a decision on the facts presented. Maybe Baker is guilty, maybe not, but it needs to go to the tribunal.
scorpion2466
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What a ridiculous statement. A player comes off the ground bloody and dazed, with the ball nowhere in sight, and we're supposed to believe nothing happened because it wasn't caught on TV and not seen by an umpire?
It should be up to the tribunal to assess the credibility of any evidence (including statements by witnesses) against any explanation that Baker provides.
The AFL should be fully supported in investigating any incidents that occur behind play that are not caught on video or seen by an umpire, but where there are reasonable grounds to believe that an offence was committed (i.e. identifiable injury to a player).
If you do the crime, you should expect to do the time.
What a ridiculous statement. A player comes off the ground bloody and dazed, with the ball nowhere in sight, and we're supposed to believe nothing happened because it wasn't caught on TV and not seen by an umpire?
It should be up to the tribunal to assess the credibility of any evidence (including statements by witnesses) against any explanation that Baker provides.
The AFL should be fully supported in investigating any incidents that occur behind play that are not caught on video or seen by an umpire, but where there are reasonable grounds to believe that an offence was committed (i.e. identifiable injury to a player).
If you do the crime, you should expect to do the time.
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Too bad the roof was shut, or the AFL could have used Google Earth.
Too bad the roof was shut, or the AFL could have used Google Earth.
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Freo were flooding back at the time, and Farmer and Baker were pretty much the only players in Freo's forward half, so the goal umpire may have seen something. The fact that everyone was pushing back also lends some credence to the story I have heard put about that Baker stopped and blocked Farmer and there was a clash of heads.
I'll also say that, regardless of what happened, unless there is video evidence, or evidence from one of the umpires (goal, boundary or field) then Baker shouldn't have a case to answer. I know that Fremantle runners, trainers and other club staff are completely trustworthy and only ever tell the truth, but I wouldn't ever want to be in a position where a Freo player faced suspension based on the word of someone in the employ of one of the other clubs.
At the edge of the centre square. Or at least that's where Farmer ended up face down on the grass. I was at the ground, and that's all that I can say for sure.(Can't believe I'm going to defend Baker...)
Where did this supposedly take place? From the radio commentary (haven't been able to watch the game yet) it sounded like it happened in/near to the goalsquare. What was the goal umpire doing? Don't they still have the authority to report players? Surely he would've seen *something* if this were the case...?
Freo were flooding back at the time, and Farmer and Baker were pretty much the only players in Freo's forward half, so the goal umpire may have seen something. The fact that everyone was pushing back also lends some credence to the story I have heard put about that Baker stopped and blocked Farmer and there was a clash of heads.
I'll also say that, regardless of what happened, unless there is video evidence, or evidence from one of the umpires (goal, boundary or field) then Baker shouldn't have a case to answer. I know that Fremantle runners, trainers and other club staff are completely trustworthy and only ever tell the truth, but I wouldn't ever want to be in a position where a Freo player faced suspension based on the word of someone in the employ of one of the other clubs.
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Scrap that - he didn't come off bloody and dazed, but was forced off with a broken nose, lacerated upper lip and concussion (according to today's Herald Sun)!
Scrap that - he didn't come off bloody and dazed, but was forced off with a broken nose, lacerated upper lip and concussion (according to today's Herald Sun)!
concur, farmer should get 10 to 12 weeks for charging baker.
fair call.
dirty sniper farmer, pity he is soft.
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sounds like he tripped over his feet and face planted.
sounds like he tripped over his feet and face planted.
