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Bali bomb
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I reckon you've nailed it Shinners. Terrorist attacks have been ongoing in Indonesia-just look at Anbon.
A very sad day for Australia and for Indonesia-How is Bali ever going to recover?
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We shouldnt take our anger out on Muslims (if thats what you mean). But there can be little doubt that the people who committed this atrocity are Islamic fundamentalists. While 99.9% of Muslims are decent law abiding citizens, it seems that the religion does produce the odd fruit-loop that takes everything the Koran says to the nth degree. A large proportion of the worlds worst terrorist attacks have been commited by these people, there is certainly a theme here that cannot be ignored.
Sorry but just had to comment, even though the tragedy is still so recent.
Now suppose you are a terrorist and you want to go to australia. Do you get your millionaire boss to provide you with a fake passport and a plane ticket and get there in hours or do you go on a leaky boat with a load of unfortunates, then spend months if not years in a holding camp and then when you get out look fom a target ?
The refugees are the victims - just think they have probably been near victims of several such violent acts themselves.
Anyway now I have got started already the right wing ratbags such as Piers Akerman and Andrew Bolt have defiled the memory of the victims by kicking straight into thre 'this is why we should 'get' Iraq. argument
And the link between Iraq and Bali is exactly ?
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Peace !
Now is not the time for political point scoring -we should be concentrating on the appalling loss of life - many of whom are our countrymen and women. The targetting of innocents is an appalling thing - no matter what the motivation behind it.
That said I can't wait for war mongering pr*cks like Ackerman and Bolt torturing logic to justify the war on Iraq.
As Elvis Costello wrote "What's so funny about peace and love and understanding"
Now is not the time for political point scoring -we should be concentrating on the appalling loss of life - many of whom are our countrymen and women. The targetting of innocents is an appalling thing - no matter what the motivation behind it.
That said I can't wait for war mongering pr*cks like Ackerman and Bolt torturing logic to justify the war on Iraq.
As Elvis Costello wrote "What's so funny about peace and love and understanding"
Last week, I booked to go to Bali in January. Not sure what's happening now though - whether to cancel plans and go somewhere else (where?) or still go to Bali. Don't even know if the hotel is still standing!
Scary when it is close to home. Got my photos back from the celebrations last week, one of the blokes I was drinking with is now deaf, one has burns. One of the blokes missing was a friend of my fathers. Our full forward has serious burns and broken bones. 
Yep, I can just see all those nasty terrorists coming in to the country on a leaky boat. Then being locked up for months before being able to blow the crap out of their intended target. Of course this way would be so much more better than getting into the country on a fake passport, fake ID and having access to the weapons and ammunition needed to perpetrate such an attack!
Now isn't the time for hate and revenge. This is what the people involved in planting the bomb want from us.
This is an attack on our citizens for our government's lap dog approach to US foreign policy.
This is an attack on our citizens for our government's lap dog approach to US foreign policy.
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Blame the yanks. Its been our way to support America whenever they have faught in wars and IMO this bomb attack has something to do with this.
I blame them as much as I blame the people who actually planted it.
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Doesnt sound like a safer world if you happen to be muslim, as about 1/4 of the world is.
Leave this sort of redneck retoric to the George dubyas of the world thanks.
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Yep, I can just see all those nasty terrorists coming in to the country on a leaky boat. Then being locked up for months before being able to blow the crap out of their intended target. Of course this way would be so much more better than getting into the country on a fake passport, fake ID and having access to the weapons and ammunition needed to perpetrate such an attack!
weapons and ammo? all it takes are a few cheap household chemicals. and the vast majority of western hating people would not have millionaire bosses or money to get visas. they would be just an average joe, thus find it hard to get in under the current govt.
and bee, why would terrorists come only to be locked up for months?? they wouldnt.. hence the great idea.
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docker brat, blues brat...and all you other poor excuses for left wing sympathising intellectually bankrupt poor excuses for human beings...
how you could possibly bring this back onto our foreign policy is absurd. i knew it wouldnt take long for morally bankrupt individuals to try and tie this atrocious act of terrorism with ours and the USs foreign policy.
Terrorism is Terrorism is Terrorism. And if you know your history then you will understand that acts of terrorism like this is committed under any number of false pretences and excuses, but in the end it comes down to one thing only...fundamentalism.
To start laying blame at anyone else other than the people who committed this heinous act is disgraceful and quite frankly, free speech is a waste of a precious right on people like you and you should be banned from the website.
Absolutely atrocious, the act of terrorism on the weekend and your comments now.
how you could possibly bring this back onto our foreign policy is absurd. i knew it wouldnt take long for morally bankrupt individuals to try and tie this atrocious act of terrorism with ours and the USs foreign policy.
Terrorism is Terrorism is Terrorism. And if you know your history then you will understand that acts of terrorism like this is committed under any number of false pretences and excuses, but in the end it comes down to one thing only...fundamentalism.
To start laying blame at anyone else other than the people who committed this heinous act is disgraceful and quite frankly, free speech is a waste of a precious right on people like you and you should be banned from the website.
Absolutely atrocious, the act of terrorism on the weekend and your comments now.
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Mate, say what you're really thinking.
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how about people accepting responsibility for their own actions.
like a drunk driver who hits a pedestrian or a 28 y.o. smoker who then suffers lung cancer who then blames tobacco companies (after all the govt warnings)....how about the simple but old notion of people accepting responsibilty for whatever they do.
to try and off load blame to other people is bad enough, when a crime against innocent civilians like this one is then blamed on howard, bush et al. is outrageous. it really is.
the blame lies with the sick individuals who committed this act. full stop.
like a drunk driver who hits a pedestrian or a 28 y.o. smoker who then suffers lung cancer who then blames tobacco companies (after all the govt warnings)....how about the simple but old notion of people accepting responsibilty for whatever they do.
to try and off load blame to other people is bad enough, when a crime against innocent civilians like this one is then blamed on howard, bush et al. is outrageous. it really is.
the blame lies with the sick individuals who committed this act. full stop.
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Afgani refugees have been processed though the community in NZ, the UK, and most european counties, and the closest any of them in these countries have come to terrorism is when a couple of young boys were caught lighting farts one evening in bruxton.
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"But one possible explanation for the bombing comes from a Saudi source who prefers not to be named.
He told the BBC that many Indonesians blamed Australian troops for the loss of their former territory, East Timor.
He said these were Indonesians nationalists bent on revenge, and that the resort of Bali would be an obvious soft target, causing high casualties amongst Australians. "
Who Bombed Bali?
He told the BBC that many Indonesians blamed Australian troops for the loss of their former territory, East Timor.
He said these were Indonesians nationalists bent on revenge, and that the resort of Bali would be an obvious soft target, causing high casualties amongst Australians. "
Who Bombed Bali?
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Well said. They say that islam is a religion of peace, but like you said there will be the odd fruit loop who inteprets the the koran and the religion is some fanatical way. It gives islam/muslim people a bad stereotype, which is really sad, especially when you consider actions like islamic colleges getting attacked after september 11. Luckily i know better than to put stereotypes in such occasions.
Exactly my point! They wouldn't. They'd come in to the country another way. Get it?
As Bee, Localyokel, Ian Rocks and a few of the others lefties on this board will attest, I am certainly not left wing.
I posted earlier in response to a comment made by Ian Rocks that the atrocity should be laid at the feet of John Howard and his backing of U.S. foreign policy. Of course, Ian Rock's view is absolute rubbish - after all, the French aren't backing U.S. plans to attack Iraq and yet it was a French oil tanker that was attacked in Yemen. However, the points that the lefties (and myself) are trying to make are:
1. Don't paint all Muslims in the light of the acts of radical Islamic terrorists.
2. To understand what drives these people to commit these atrocities, you have to look for the cause, and part of what is causing these problems is U.S. foreign policy, specifically in the Middle East. And why pick on the U.S.? We do it because they can actually do something about it.
Nice of you to state the bleedin' obvious.
"Wasting free speech on people" simply because you don't agree with them? Perhaps you're preaching a sort of radical right wing fundamentalism yourself.
But surely discussion to understand why something happened is the first step to trying to find a solution. Okay, perhaps that's a lofty and idealistic aim. My motivation for making my opinions known is to point out the more silly statements by some people when it comes to discussing culture and politics.
I assume you are including me in that left wing hatred of yours! Where have I said I lay the blame with our foreign policy? As a matter of fact, I don't even believe the bomb was targetted at Australians. There is no proof that it was. It was probably more aimed at westerners in general.
I know my history and I know about terrorism too. So don't come in here as a new member blasting $hit out of people you know nothing about. You haven't been here long enough to know anything about me or my political beliefs.
Once again I never laid any blame. But you come in here shouting about left wing intellectually bankrupt excuse for human beings and tar everyone with the same brush. Free speech is what it is all about,so don't try telling everyone else what to say or what to think. In fact you can take your right wing liberal loving $hit and shove it up your arse.
and if they didnt get locked up and sent back, the other 99% of these fundamentalists who dont have the means to forge visas and afford airline tickets etc. would have an easy way to get in. get it??
if you set up a 10 foot wall and a moat around your house, sure it can still get broken into, but only with very elaborate climbing equipment etc. it would keep out the other 99% of theives who would more easily rob your place with just a picket fence around it.
get it??
The difference and its a big one is that the the Islamic terrorists commit crimes in the name of islam...... to allegedly rid the world or their particular country of western culture.
The IRA arent commiting crimes in the name of religion, in fact some of the founders of the IRA were protestant.
These muslim extremists groups hate everything western....... things like equal oppurtunity, free speech etc.......things we take fot granted.
If Australia one day becomes more than 50% muslim do you think we would still have all the freedoms we have today, or would people be returned to the dark ages as is the case of many muslim countries.
