Coach Be vewy vewy quiet we're hunting coaches.

[Liam Boy]

who is this guy?

Shinboner #744

 

[ferball]

Nathan Buckley one vote ahead of satan.

 

[Hojuman]

Nathan Buckley one vote ahead of satan.

Satan got Jesus easily covered too. Bet he gives a good 1/4 time spray too.

 

[blackshadow]

Satan got Jesus easily covered too. Bet he gives a good 1/4 time spray too.

The Satan post-match activities are elite.

 

[Tas]

Nathan Buckley one vote ahead of satan.

Satan is misunderstood. :stern look

 

[hilly]

Surprised how many votes Chocco has.

 

[Wels Eicke]

We've had the bible coach, might as well give Satan a go.

 

[OMAN]

Remember that Satan is the father of lies. Not a good choice. Where as Jesus was willing to die for all so that you can be in the winning side.

 

[Only Forwards]

Remember that Satan is the father of lies. Not a good choice. Where as Jesus was willing to die for all so that you can be in the winning side.

We do play on Good Friday, I am not sure how into it Jesus would be.

I did vote Jesus initially but was more thinking it was the bowler not the religious guy.

 

[Souup]

I don’t get this constant reference to Lyon being a successful coach, should we say Collingwood was successful not winning 9 grand finals between 1959 and 1981?


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I don't like Lyon, but what I can appreciate is his ability to extract every bit of effort and talent out of some pretty average players.

Go have a look at St Kilda's grand final team from the 2009 and Fremantle's team from 2013. You'll be absolutely astounded at a majority of names in those teams that were regulars. I'll give you names from the Fremantle 2013 Grand Final team: Zac Dawson, Paul Duffield, Lee Spurr, Danyle Pearce, Ryan Crowley, Tendai Mzungu, Cam Sutcliffe, Matt De Boer, Nick Suban, Zac Clarke, Chris Mayne.

Some might argue that guys like Crowley and De Boer had long careers, but I would argue they're certainly not anywhere near the most talented players in the comp. They were very limited footballers who played a role within a system that allowed them to contribute to team success. The same goes for many of the guys I listed, they're average players who were set up to succeed by great coaching.

I'd argue they had 4 elite talents on the day - Fyfe, Pavlich, Barlow and Sandilands. And then some other very good footballers - Ballantyne, Walters, McPharlin and Mundy.

Compare Fremantle's team on the day to Hawthorns. Then, do the exact same thing for that 2009 St Kilda team - compare it to the Geelong team they faced and the names that Geelong had. Undoubtedly, the Geelong in 2009 and Hawthorn in 2013 teams were so much more talented than Lyon's teams, it wasn't even close.

He never had a special list, not even close. He was a coach who carefully crafted a game-style, system and philosophy that marked his style, and he was able to extract every bit of talent out of those who played for him.

 

[Massive Unit]

I don't like Lyon, but what I can appreciate is his ability to extract every bit of effort and talent out of some pretty average players.

Go have a look at St Kilda's grand final team from the 2009 and Fremantle's team from 2013. You'll be absolutely astounded at a majority of names in those teams that were regulars. I'll give you names from the Fremantle 2013 Grand Final team: Zac Dawson, Paul Duffield, Lee Spurr, Danyle Pearce, Ryan Crowley, Tendai Mzungu, Cam Sutcliffe, Matt De Boer, Nick Suban, Zac Clarke, Matt De Boer.

Some might argue that guys like Crowley and De Boer had long careers, but I would argue they're certainly not anywhere near the most talented players in the comp. They were very limited footballers who played a role within a system that allowed them to contribute to team success. The same goes for many of the guys I listed, they're average players who were set up to succeed by great coaching.

I'd argue they had 4 elite talents on the day - Fyfe, Pavlich, Barlow and Sandilands. And then some other very good footballers - Ballantyne, Walters, McPharlin and Mundy.

Compare Fremantle's team on the day to Hawthorns. Then, do the exact same thing for that 2009 St Kilda team - compare it to the Geelong team they faced and the names that Geelong had.

He never had a special list, not even close. He was a coach who carefully crafted a game-style, system and philosophy that marked his style, and he was able to extract every bit of talent out of those who played for him.

Beautifully articulated Souup. I can appreciate his coaching ability despite never having won a flag, but there is just something about the bloke (aside from his behaviour at Fremantle) that I don't like. It's hard to put a finger on it, but there are some people that you just know you do not want to spend any time in their vicinity. He's one of those.

 

[Val Keating]

Surprised how many votes Chocco has.

I’m surprised by the lack of votes Simmo has.

 

[Chadwiko]

Surprised how many votes Chocco has.

Worth a little flutter at long odds on Sportsbet.

 

[Val Keating]

Worth a little flutter at long odds on Sportsbet.

Would he want to be head coach again?

 

[Harris 10]

I don't like Lyon, but what I can appreciate is his ability to extract every bit of effort and talent out of some pretty average players.

Go have a look at St Kilda's grand final team from the 2009 and Fremantle's team from 2013. You'll be absolutely astounded at a majority of names in those teams that were regulars. I'll give you names from the Fremantle 2013 Grand Final team: Zac Dawson, Paul Duffield, Lee Spurr, Danyle Pearce, Ryan Crowley, Tendai Mzungu, Cam Sutcliffe, Matt De Boer, Nick Suban, Zac Clarke, Chris Mayne.

Some might argue that guys like Crowley and De Boer had long careers, but I would argue they're certainly not anywhere near the most talented players in the comp. They were very limited footballers who played a role within a system that allowed them to contribute to team success. The same goes for many of the guys I listed, they're average players who were set up to succeed by great coaching.

I'd argue they had 4 elite talents on the day - Fyfe, Pavlich, Barlow and Sandilands. And then some other very good footballers - Ballantyne, Walters, McPharlin and Mundy.

Compare Fremantle's team on the day to Hawthorns. Then, do the exact same thing for that 2009 St Kilda team - compare it to the Geelong team they faced and the names that Geelong had. Undoubtedly, the Geelong in 2009 and Hawthorn in 2013 teams were so much more talented than Lyon's teams, it wasn't even close.

He never had a special list, not even close. He was a coach who carefully crafted a game-style, system and philosophy that marked his style, and he was able to extract every bit of talent out of those who played for him.

What's his record like at going to the draft, without going through it all I can remember him doing is filling a lot of roles with battlers who as you rightly point out he got the most out of?

Did he bring young talent through the draft? Maybe he didn't have access to picks.

Edit:
Saints 2006 to 2010 draft, St Kilda - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

Freo: 2011 to 2018 draft, Fremantle - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

It's not really great reading for a side that needs to continue to hit the draft like us, he traded a lot of picks for averge players.

 

[DocSholl]

Not a Lyon fan (more as a person) but judging his success purely by flags won is a little naive.

 

[imtheduck]

What's his record like at going to the draft, without going through it all I can remember him doing is filling a lot of roles with battlers who as you rightly point out he got the most out of?

Did he bring young talent through the draft? Maybe he didn't have access to picks.

Edit:

Saints 2006 to 2010 draft, St Kilda - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

Freo: 2011 to 2018 draft, Fremantle - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

It's not really great reading for a side that needs to continue to hit the draft, he traded a lot of picks for averge players.

Similar to Brad Scott, however may have had a more talented list.

 

[Le Grille]

We've had the bible coach, might as well give Satan a go.

I’d sell my soul for a few flags, I’m probably not going to heaven anyway. May as well have a taste of it on earth

 

[Horace]

Nah. I remember that poster saying he was done with North and was going to support Gold Coast.

That's what his Profile says. His AFL Club is the Gold Coast.

I always find it amusing when posters come here showing another Club as the AFL Club in their Profile and then procced to talk as if we are their club. You are either with us or you are not.

Mind you, it might be a bit of fun to slip over to the *essendon board and say a few words, as if I was a supporter of *theirs. I'm sure they would believe me.

 

[Horace]

Think back to the days when football media was lead by Mike Sheehan, Patrick Smith, Caroline Wilson etc. We hated most of them, but those days at least had some analysis worth reading


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Nothing's changed.

And the other two have probably gone senile now, if in fact they weren't when we last heard from them.

 

[Horace]

I don't like Lyon, but what I can appreciate is his ability to extract every bit of effort and talent out of some pretty average players.

Go have a look at St Kilda's grand final team from the 2009 and Fremantle's team from 2013. You'll be absolutely astounded at a majority of names in those teams that were regulars. I'll give you names from the Fremantle 2013 Grand Final team: Zac Dawson, Paul Duffield, Lee Spurr, Danyle Pearce, Ryan Crowley, Tendai Mzungu, Cam Sutcliffe, Matt De Boer, Nick Suban, Zac Clarke, Chris Mayne.

Some might argue that guys like Crowley and De Boer had long careers, but I would argue they're certainly not anywhere near the most talented players in the comp. They were very limited footballers who played a role within a system that allowed them to contribute to team success. The same goes for many of the guys I listed, they're average players who were set up to succeed by great coaching.

I'd argue they had 4 elite talents on the day - Fyfe, Pavlich, Barlow and Sandilands. And then some other very good footballers - Ballantyne, Walters, McPharlin and Mundy.

Compare Fremantle's team on the day to Hawthorns. Then, do the exact same thing for that 2009 St Kilda team - compare it to the Geelong team they faced and the names that Geelong had. Undoubtedly, the Geelong in 2009 and Hawthorn in 2013 teams were so much more talented than Lyon's teams, it wasn't even close.

He never had a special list, not even close. He was a coach who carefully crafted a game-style, system and philosophy that marked his style, and he was able to extract every bit of talent out of those who played for him.

A little harsh there in my opinion. That list was essentially put together by John Beveridge, one of the best in the business in his day.

 

[Tas]

I don't like Lyon, but what I can appreciate is his ability to extract every bit of effort and talent out of some pretty average players.

Go have a look at St Kilda's grand final team from the 2009 and Fremantle's team from 2013. You'll be absolutely astounded at a majority of names in those teams that were regulars. I'll give you names from the Fremantle 2013 Grand Final team: Zac Dawson, Paul Duffield, Lee Spurr, Danyle Pearce, Ryan Crowley, Tendai Mzungu, Cam Sutcliffe, Matt De Boer, Nick Suban, Zac Clarke, Chris Mayne.

Some might argue that guys like Crowley and De Boer had long careers, but I would argue they're certainly not anywhere near the most talented players in the comp. They were very limited footballers who played a role within a system that allowed them to contribute to team success. The same goes for many of the guys I listed, they're average players who were set up to succeed by great coaching.

I'd argue they had 4 elite talents on the day - Fyfe, Pavlich, Barlow and Sandilands. And then some other very good footballers - Ballantyne, Walters, McPharlin and Mundy.

Compare Fremantle's team on the day to Hawthorns. Then, do the exact same thing for that 2009 St Kilda team - compare it to the Geelong team they faced and the names that Geelong had. Undoubtedly, the Geelong in 2009 and Hawthorn in 2013 teams were so much more talented than Lyon's teams, it wasn't even close.

He never had a special list, not even close. He was a coach who carefully crafted a game-style, system and philosophy that marked his style, and he was able to extract every bit of talent out of those who played for him.

I think the slight on him was that he favoured plodders over more talented players, he also had a hands-on role in recruitment so they preferred players Lyon knew he could turn into soldiers. I think latter at Fremantle they had forced him to delegate authority and he didn't have as active a role in recruitment and he did play a more attacking brand of footy.

Just not sure if the game has passed him by. Barassi was a great coach in his day but that style wouldn't fly in this environment.

There hasn't been a lot of recycled success stories, I think our dysfunctional coaching/development might give us an opportunity to overcompensate with getting an abnormally large number of potential A graders, if someone can come in and get them to reach their potential I think we could buck the trend.

 

[Le Grille]

I don't like Lyon, but what I can appreciate is his ability to extract every bit of effort and talent out of some pretty average players.

Go have a look at St Kilda's grand final team from the 2009 and Fremantle's team from 2013. You'll be absolutely astounded at a majority of names in those teams that were regulars. I'll give you names from the Fremantle 2013 Grand Final team: Zac Dawson, Paul Duffield, Lee Spurr, Danyle Pearce, Ryan Crowley, Tendai Mzungu, Cam Sutcliffe, Matt De Boer, Nick Suban, Zac Clarke, Chris Mayne.

Some might argue that guys like Crowley and De Boer had long careers, but I would argue they're certainly not anywhere near the most talented players in the comp. They were very limited footballers who played a role within a system that allowed them to contribute to team success. The same goes for many of the guys I listed, they're average players who were set up to succeed by great coaching.

I'd argue they had 4 elite talents on the day - Fyfe, Pavlich, Barlow and Sandilands. And then some other very good footballers - Ballantyne, Walters, McPharlin and Mundy.

Compare Fremantle's team on the day to Hawthorns. Then, do the exact same thing for that 2009 St Kilda team - compare it to the Geelong team they faced and the names that Geelong had. Undoubtedly, the Geelong in 2009 and Hawthorn in 2013 teams were so much more talented than Lyon's teams, it wasn't even close.

He never had a special list, not even close. He was a coach who carefully crafted a game-style, system and philosophy that marked his style, and he was able to extract every bit of talent out of those who played for him.

I would say that McPharlin/Walters/Mundy even Ballantyne we’re elite at times for them perhaps not all the time but when they were flying those four were just as good as any

 

[Horace]

One untried assistant who I think might be worth a good look, is Ashley Hansen

Ashley Hansen

Age

41

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

8.1

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.0

5star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

1.4

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

. West Coast Premiership player. WAFL Premiership Player. Footscray VFL Premiership Coach. Currently working as the Forwards Coach at Carlton.

He appears to be a quite composed individual and has been involved in and around AFL football since 2004. During that time, coached by or worked with Worsfold, Beveridge and Voss.

 

[Le Grille]

One untried assistant whoi I think might be worth a good look, is Ashley Hansen. West Coast Premiership player. WAFL Premiership Player. Footscray VFL Premiership Coach. Currently working as the Forwards Coach at Carlton.

He appears to be a quite composed individual and has been involved in and around AFL football since 2004. During that time, coached by or worked with Worsfold, Beveridge and Voss.

Sounds ok I just think we need a experienced type