Being too reliant on KPF

[satan1]

I would like any forward line to simply be fluid, honour the lead of the player in the best position.

Used to drive me nuts watching Williams lead time and time again to be ignored whilst we kicked to a blanketed franklin, before him Dixon was the same. It seems if you're an accurate kick you got ignored in our forward line I hope Breust doesn't suffer the same fate.

 

[Football Tragic]

I would like any forward line to simply be fluid, honour the lead of the player in the best position.

I agree 100%. Midfielders often take the instinctive option when under pressure which is usually to the most dangerous forward or 'Big Bloke in the Goal Square'.

I think the secret to a KPF is to use them to make the whole forward 'team' more potent. If you continually go to the one player with no one kicking goals in, under and around them then you are bound to fail. I think if you have a power forward who worries the opposition and draws their focus you need to provide extra marking options up forward to both share the load and hopefully make the defenders unsure of who to man up on.

Similarly, midfielders running back into space or who crumb at the feet of tall forwards are the biggest difference in today game. If you have a tall forward you is being double teamed in the air but can create a contest and bring the ball to ground, then this is great. What it does is create space for your crumbers to swoop on the ball and kick opportunistic goals - usually the difference between winning and losing in todays game.

Thirdly, a power forward who can defend ir tackle, chase etc and not give their opponent any freedom to run the ball out of defence is another must in todays game. Keeping the ball inside your forward 50 is the biggest trend and priority in 2011.

So having a Power Forward is never a bad thing but how you use them is.

 

[AllFooty4]

look at who's on top of the ladder.
the aim of the game is to win as many games as you can, not have one of your forwards on top of the goalkicking list

You're right Collingwood NEVER go to Cloke, the only reason he gets a bit less delivery is because of Dawes, who's next...Essendon, Carlton and Geelong.

Last time I checked none of them had decent BIG (tall) KPF's.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

A stroll through modern history looking at the Coleman Medalist and the place his side finished on the ladder might tell you that "aint broke" is just just plain wrong.

2000 - Lloyd - Premiers
2001 - Lloyd - 2nd
2002 - Neitz - 6th
2003 - Lloyd - 6th
2004 - Gehrig - 3rd
2005 - Gehrig - 4th
2006 - Fevola - 16th
2007 - Brown - 10th
2008 - Franklin - Premiers
2009 - Fevola - 7th
2010 - Riewoldt - 15th

Apart from Fev in 06 and Riewoldt in 2010 that's a pretty solid list.



It baffles me when people say things like: "Richmond would be better of with Riewoldt kicking 50-60 a year instead of 70-80".

That means other players have to make up 20 extra goals before they break even. It's better to have multiple options but having a gun FF like Buddy just means you don't need quite as many options.

 

[telsor]

A gun Forward draws the defensive attention and creates opportunities for the other forwards. You need a good midfield to find/utilise those other forwards though.

 

[absfab]

You're right Collingwood NEVER go to Cloke, the only reason he gets a bit less delivery is because of Dawes, who's next...Essendon, Carlton and Geelong.

Last time I checked none of them had decent BIG (tall) KPF's.

Last time I checked Geelong was undefeated, Collingwood had lost only to Geelong; and Essendon and Carlton had lost only to Collingwood.

How you think that supports your case I don't know.

 

[Blue since 72]

An interesting question is what happens if your gun KPF gets injured? particularly for a team who is reliant on one.

The easy answer is you're stuffed but didn't the Saints win a fair few games without Riewoldt last year? and has Barry Hall reallly been the answer to the Bulldogs forward line?

A KPF who is out injured but is normally a focal point forces the players to look for other options.

The problem with a standout KPF, when they're playing is that they demand the footy, run to the right spots etc and consequently players down field can't help looking for them, but a quality defensive unit (think Geelong in recent times) can shut one guy down a hellva lot easier than several.

I'd suggest there wouldn't be a coach going who would rather rely on one standout forward as opposed to having various options at his disposal and I'd bet you someone like Damien Hardwick, although happy to have a Jack Riewoldt in his team would be working hard to develop those other options.

Tbh the current trend seems to be a couple of KP targets who can mark and kick a few or create a contest for one or two smalls, a couple of goal kicking/defensive HF's and some goal kicking mids to top it off.

Gives you a much better chance of winning more games for mine.

 

[cynical]

Most premiership sides have a balanced team.

1 great forward isn't usually enough if he is surrounded by spuds.

It's how good the worst guy is that matters.

 

[master bate]

You generally need 1 very good key forward and a good forward bunch or at least 2 guys capable of giving you a contest at CHF and FF to win a flag.

But premierships and grand finals are more often than not won by the team with the best midfield and defence.

That said I think structures are very important. I believe in the current Melbourne side you took out Bate (FF this week) and put in Riewoldt we'd be a 2-3 wins per year better side, but if you took out Bate (FF this week) and Watts (CHF this week) and put in Dawes and Josh Kennedy (examples of honest/good talls) we'd by 4-5 wins per year better.

 

[Running Dog]

I'd be more worried about becoming too reliant on acronyms. WTF is a KPF? Do KPI's apply to a KPF? Does KFC affect a KPF's KPI's? Is this measured by KPMG? What if a KPF were in the KGB or the KKK and listened to KLF before being KIA flying KLM from KOR to KLA?

 

[AllFooty4]

Last time I checked Geelong was undefeated, Collingwood had lost only to Geelong; and Essendon and Carlton had lost only to Collingwood.

How you think that supports your case I don't know.

I was noting the fact that how can we say Geelong, Essendon, Carlton and somewhat Collingwood aren't too reliant on a KPF....when they don't have any?

Rocket science I know.

 

[absfab]

I was noting the fact that how can we say Geelong, Essendon, Carlton and somewhat Collingwood aren't too reliant on a KPF....when they don't have any?
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Good lad. You're making progress.

Now just make the jump to how the four best teams to date managed to get there without a show pony one man forward line, and you'll come closer to enlightenement.

 

[Quantum]

I'd be more worried about becoming too reliant on acronyms. WTF is a KPF? Do KPI's apply to a KPF? Does KFC affect a KPF's KPI's? Is this measured by KPMG? What if a KPF were in the KGB or the KKK and listened to KLF before being KIA flying KLM from KOR to KLA?

HAHAHA GOLD!

 

[AllFooty4]

Good lad. You're making progress.

Now just make the jump to how the four best teams to date managed to get there without a show pony one man forward line, and you'll come closer to enlightenement.

Because they're amazing teams, I have no doubt they would be better with key forwards, imagine Hawthorn without Buddy or Tigers without Jack....

 

[HolyWars]

I'd be more worried about becoming too reliant on acronyms. WTF is a KPF? Do KPI's apply to a KPF? Does KFC affect a KPF's KPI's? Is this measured by KPMG? What if a KPF were in the KGB or the KKK and listened to KLF before being KIA flying KLM from KOR to KLA?

Genuine lols!

 

[Underarm]

Because they're amazing teams, I have no doubt they would be better with key forwards, imagine Hawthorn without Buddy or Tigers without Jack....

Collingwood rely on their KPF. but they win because even when Dawes and Cloke do shit, the others are good enough to chip in.

Ditto Hawks (roughie and Buddy), Geelong (Johnson, Jpod) saints last year (Roo, Kosi and before that Gehrig)

teams like Richmond are getting there. Jack last year, and Richo's last 5 were completly reliant on him and the rest didnt chip in enough. now though they are stepping up and making it look like Jack is having a shit year (even though its better than last)

take out the KPF of any top team, and the club would replace them with another KPF. its a myth that big forwards are being edged out of the game. you still need one to win a premiership.

 

[mike14]

Last time I checked Geelong was undefeated, Collingwood had lost only to Geelong; and Essendon and Carlton had lost only to Collingwood.

How you think that supports your case I don't know.

Re-check. The Bombers lost to Sydney....