Bendigo FL discussion 2024

[ringo1]

Who from Moama said that?

Moama would be a highly attractive option for the Bendigo and GV leagues.

Bendigo is likely to be an eight-team competition in 2025 after losing Kyneton to the Riddell District league and Maryborough to recess in the last two years.

But recently accepting Broadford into the league could potentially scuttle Bendigo being able to attract Moama due to the two-hour travel between the two towns.

Moama would develop an instant cross-river rivalry with Echuca if it joined the GV league.

 

[ringo1]

But it's OK to travel to Seymour and Mansfield.

Seymour is closer! Mansfield is a tourist town and has a lot more to offer than Broadford for a weekend away.There are also more clubs closer to Moama than those in the Bendigo league. Echuca, Tatura, Mooroopna , Swans, United, Rochy, Bears all within an hour.

 

[boncer34]

I can't imagine the 10 minutes difference between Broadford and Seymour is a deal breaker.

Or that the extra half an hour to Mansfield is looked fondly on because it's a "tourist" town. Drive up Saturday, play footy, stay the night, drive home Sunday. Not a lot of time to see the wonderful sites of Mansfield.

 

[ringo1]

I can't imagine the 10 minutes difference between Broadford and Seymour is a deal breaker.

Or that the extra half an hour to Mansfield is looked fondly on because it's a "tourist" town. Drive up Saturday, play footy, stay the night, drive home Sunday. Not a lot of time to see the wonderful sites of Mansfield.

I'm only going off what has been written. As stated you have at least 7 clubs within a 50 min driven the GV. The BFL has one club 2 hours away with no coach, players or a snowflakes chance in hell of being competitive in the BFL. A lot of Echuca people make a weekend of it in Mansfield. I'm pretty sure Moama people would do the same thing.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

The only positive of Broadford would be the Allen's factory (if they have a seconds shop for some sweet tooth purchases).

 

[boncer34]

I'm only going off what has been written. As stated you have at least 7 clubs within a 50 min driven the GV. The BFL has one club 2 hours away with no coach, players or a snowflakes chance in hell of being competitive in the BFL. A lot of Echuca people make a weekend of it in Mansfield. I'm pretty sure Moama people would do the same thing.

And I'm pointing out how absurd it is trying to pin anything Moama do or don't do on Broadford is.

They aren't going to make a decision based on travelling to one club that's not even the furtherest away from the 2 leagues they're rumoured to be looking at.

The rest of the post (7 clubs closer etc) all makes sense. But would GV want another snout in their trough?

 

[Del28562]

What a steaming pile of crap. You’re a better poster than that, Trent.



That’s just playing the person instead of making a salient debate. Low fruit.



No disputing that whatsoever but it’s also true teams outside the finals can be in better form and condition than teams that qualify.

Brisbane and Sydney are great examples this year, Sydney had a much superior season but Brisbane was going when it counted.

Fair point forrest, I enjoy your views on footy

 

[ringo1]

And I'm pointing out how absurd it is trying to pin anything Moama do or don't do on Broadford is.

They aren't going to make a decision based on travelling to one club that's not even the furtherest away from the 2 leagues they're rumoured to be looking at.

The rest of the post (7 clubs closer etc) all makes sense. But would GV want another snout in their trough?

I get that but its what was written. The GV needs remigration. The local derby between Echuca and Moama would be fantastic for the GV and those two clubs.As I stated before, Mansfield actually has a club with coaches and players and it is a significant tourist town, especially in the winter months.

 

[boncer34]

I get that but its what was written. The GV needs remigration. The local derby between Echuca and Moama would be fantastic for the GV and those two clubs.As I stated before, Mansfield actually has a club with coaches and players and it is a significant tourist town, especially in the winter months.

I get it was written. That doesn't absolve it from criticism.

It's even more incorrect if Broadford never gets up yes?

Why would Moama care about a trip they're never going to make?

 

[ringo1]

I get it was written. That doesn't absolve it from criticism.

It's even more incorrect if Broadford never gets up yes?

Yes....but let's remember the BFL has accepted the Broadford football club at this point in time. Let's also remember they should've also applied for an AFL 9's competition in which they may have been somewhat competitive in!

 

[boncer34]

Yes....but let's remember the BFL has accepted the Broadford football club at this point in time. Let's also remember they should've also applied for an AFL 9's competition in which they may of been competitive in!

Broadford still need to show they can be viable. And the concerns on that is perfectly valid but irrelevant to my point that Moama aren't saying no to Bendigo over travel that's less than what they'd face in GV.

And fwiw mate only a small point but one that's irrationally irritating to me.

BFNL

As I said I know it's not rational to get bent out of shape over it but let's not forget the netball.

 

[ringo1]

Broadford still need to show they can be viable. And the concerns on that is perfectly valid but irrelevant to my point that Moama aren't saying no to Bendigo over travel that's less than what they'd face in GV.

And fwiw mate only a small point but one that's irrationally irritating to me.

BFNL

As I said I know it's not rational to get bent out of shape over it but let's not forget the netball.

Hahaha..my bad, apologies!

 

[Del28562]

Broadford don't have a great reputation as a club. They've never played major league footy, they were in recession. Why would Moama think the bendigo league is a good idea if the league thinks broadford are a good idea. The bfl would actually have more appeal than the gv as most kids go to bendigo or Melbourne for work rather than east. It's an 1 hour drive to bendigo from echuca. The league has shot themselves in the foot with broadford or should I say afl vic for pushing this agenda and watching a league go to shambles, where now they'll lose far better options

 

[redragger]

Moama would be a highly attractive option for the Bendigo and GV leagues.

Bendigo is likely to be an eight-team competition in 2025 after losing Kyneton to the Riddell District league and Maryborough to recess in the last two years.

But recently accepting Broadford into the league could potentially scuttle Bendigo being able to attract Moama due to the two-hour travel between the two towns.

Moama would develop an instant cross-river rivalry with Echuca if it joined the GV league.

As others have said, he’s not quoting anyone there, and is the opinion of the author. And as others have also said, there’s longer drives in the GV than Broadford. Seems irrelevant to me.

 

[Mad Jack]

I know what I’m choosing if I’m the board of the BFNL

Given they’ve already accepted Broadford there is no “choice” to be made.

 

[Mad Jack]

Broadford don't have a great reputation as a club. They've never played major league footy, they were in recession. Why would Moama think the bendigo league is a good idea if the league thinks broadford are a good idea. The bfl would actually have more appeal than the gv as most kids go to bendigo or Melbourne for work rather than east. It's an 1 hour drive to bendigo from echuca. The league has shot themselves in the foot with broadford or should I say afl vic for pushing this agenda and watching a league go to shambles, where now they'll lose far better options

The league have already got a lot of holes in their feet from misguided shots from the past 5-10 years.

It’s also 2 hours from Moama to Gisborne which is being overlooked… though common sense (which albeit isn’t a strong point of the board) would say they should be thinking of life without Gisborne in the very near future.

 

[Back in my Day]

From a football point of view losing Gisborne would be less than ideal they are a very strong club but if they were to leave and join Ballarat I think it makes sense for them and in a way Bendigo League.

It has been spoken about plenty how Gisborne going to Ballarat gives them geographical rivalry matches and potential for massive gates which is a massive benefit to them.

If Gisborne were to leave so be it thanks for making Bendigo league better and good luck in the Ballarat league.

Now I also know Bendigo league & AFLCV lack any logical thinking and ideas but if the Bendigo league was to pickup a club or two from up north, a Moama or Echuca team I think that is better. I think Bendigo has more connection and relationship to that region than Gisborne does to Bendigo. So I think games against Bendigo teams vs teams up north would be more interesting and connected than Gisborne. Gisborne away game feels like a chore, disconnected know one knows much that’s going on down there. I think people would be more interested with games vs Moama/Echuca.

I would also like to see the League and AFLCV help Maryborough get back on their feet to major league level, at least have a good crack at that if it doesn’t work at least they try.

I think they should also look at the teams west in MGYCW/Marong give them support and help build them up to a Major league level.

We don’t need to touch on Broadford anymore what a mess. Need to start putting the Leagues wellbeing and future ahead of some stupid AFLCV agenda. We need BFNL to get back to the best standard and attractive league for top players.

And save the whole Echuca won’t come I know I don’t care if it’s the other team based in Echuca it’s still better than Broadford.

 

[Del28562]

From a football point of view losing Gisborne would be less than ideal they are a very strong club but if they were to leave and join Ballarat I think it makes sense for them and in a way Bendigo League.

It has been spoken about plenty how Gisborne going to Ballarat gives them geographical rivalry matches and potential for massive gates which is a massive benefit to them.

If Gisborne were to leave so be it thanks for making Bendigo league better and good luck in the Ballarat league.

Now I also know Bendigo league & AFLCV lack any logical thinking and ideas but if the Bendigo league was to pickup a club or two from up north, a Moama or Echuca team I think that is better. I think Bendigo has more connection and relationship to that region than Gisborne does to Bendigo. So I think games against Bendigo teams vs teams up north would be more interesting and connected than Gisborne. Gisborne away game feels like a chore, disconnected know one knows much that’s going on down there. I think people would be more interested with games vs Moama/Echuca.

I would also like to see the League and AFLCV help Maryborough get back on their feet to major league level, at least have a good crack at that if it doesn’t work at least they try.

I think they should also look at the teams west in MGYCW/Marong give them support and help build them up to a Major league level.

We don’t need to touch on Broadford anymore what a mess. Need to start putting the Leagues wellbeing and future ahead of some stupid AFLCV agenda. We need BFNL to get back to the best standard and attractive league for top players.

And save the whole Echuca won’t come I know I don’t care if it’s the other team based in Echuca it’s still better than Broadford.

I don't think it'd bother Moama or echuca a 1 off game to gisborne. A club the complete opposite to broadford in every sense and allows echuca people to keep going for a night in the city.

It'd be a massive loss, gisborne have been great for bendigo, watching Saunders, Fitzgerald, Missoudi etc has been great and pushed the standard of the league up.

If I was on the board, I'd be throwing the kitchen sink at echuca and Moama and the new gisborne giants.

Echuca are currently the best club in the state and gisborne aren't far away, you get big cross town rivals at both ends and you'll find better clubs wanting to catch up

 

[Long Run]

Would an incentive or two for Moama (10 extra player points over 5 years, an Easter and or King's Birthday weekend fixture in first two years in both BFNL and GV, guaranteed hosting first ever match against Echuca in year one if they went to GV) be enough to get them over the line?
Got to be said they're playing this perfectly.
Bendigo is desperate for clubs (good ones) and GV has a blockbuster rivalry in the making against Echuca because can't see Echuca going anywhere for next 3-5 years until some sort of track record of BFNL improvement becomes apparent.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

If Moama did have the urge to change leagues, the best thing it could do is have a chat with Echuca to see what their future plans are.

The best option would involve the two clubs being in the same league because there would be a great little money-spinner in playing their matches on Good Friday and on the Kings Birthday weekend. A guarantee for both dates for years one to five and then alternating on Good Friday after that would curry favour with the two clubs, no doubt.

 

[Del28562]

Would an incentive or two for Moama (10 extra player points over 5 years, an Easter and or King's Birthday weekend fixture in first two years in both BFNL and GV, guaranteed hosting first ever match against Echuca in year one if they went to GV) be enough to get them over the line?
Got to be said they're playing this perfectly.
Bendigo is desperate for clubs (good ones) and GV has a blockbuster rivalry in the making against Echuca because can't see Echuca going anywhere for next 3-5 years until some sort of track record of BFNL improvement becomes apparent.

Moama played on 31 points and Holman their bnf has left as a 3 pointer. They don't need additional points or salary.

I might have slightly unpopular opinion, I think the gv is a far stronger league, but I think sandhurst and gisborne are a far better team than shepp and are strong in all grades of footy. There's a challenge there for echuca and their kids are more aligned to the bendigo, Ballarat geelong Melbourne travel which is less than the gv.

If the bfl are serious about expanding they need to cut broadford. No club is interested in playing broadford in the bfl or getting any good side over.

Moama will need a new kit though, with euroa and castlemaine the pies, will they go the river raider crows path?

 

[unwise gamgee]

Moama played on 31 points and Holman their bnf has left as a 3 pointer. They don't need additional points or salary.

I might have slightly unpopular opinion, I think the gv is a far stronger league, but I think sandhurst and gisborne are a far better team than shepp and are strong in all grades of footy. There's a challenge there for echuca and their kids are more aligned to the bendigo, Ballarat geelong Melbourne travel which is less than the gv.

If the bfl are serious about expanding they need to cut broadford. No club is interested in playing broadford in the bfl or getting any good side over.

Moama will need a new kit though, with euroa and castlemaine the pies, will they go the river raider crows path?

Probably won't need a new kit anymore with away jumpers. Thinking of kyneton here

 

[BlueJet]

Moama played on 31 points and Holman their bnf has left as a 3 pointer. They don't need additional points or salary.

I might have slightly unpopular opinion, I think the gv is a far stronger league, but I think sandhurst and gisborne are a far better team than shepp and are strong in all grades of footy. There's a challenge there for echuca and their kids are more aligned to the bendigo, Ballarat geelong Melbourne travel which is less than the gv.

If the bfl are serious about expanding they need to cut broadford. No club is interested in playing broadford in the bfl or getting any good side over.

Moama will need a new kit though, with euroa and castlemaine the pies, will they go the river raider crows path?

I would have thought it was the consensus tbh.

Given the chat seems to be that the Bendigo comp cast a wide net to see what clubs they could bring in, with Broadford the only taker - I find some of the smugness on here unusual.

The best way forward though appears to be in making a concentrated effort lure an Echuca United or Moama across and hope that in time it'll present enough of an inducement for Echuca to make the jump on the back of the local rivalry.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Bendigo is an attractive option for both Moama and Echuca as there is more connection in that direction particular with players studying in Bendigo / Ballarat . There is no connection with Shepparton and senior people within both clubs have expressed that privately , along with AFLGM being Shepparton eccentric.
There is absolutely no love lost between both clubs and AFLGM .
If Bendigo weren’t administered by AFLCV the chances of attracting both would increase.

 

[Kilonewton]

With all the discussion regarding which clubs could fit into which leagues, I’ve had some thoughts on a complete overhaul.
Whilst I post this in the Bendigo forum, as it’s the most active, it could be applied to other regions of the state.

Apologies about formatting, the dot points have been lost as I pasted into the forum


Divisional Football / Netball League Proposal

Option A:

30 Clubs – Three 10 Club divisions
18 match H&A Season
Full Competition Byes at Easter, Kings Birthday and Middle Weekend of School Holidays
Final 5 – 4 week finals series. Grand Finals on AFL Preliminary Final Weekend
Promotion / Relegation based on Club Championship*

Option B:

32 Clubs – Four 8 Club divisions
14 match H&A season
Full Competition Byes at Easter, Kings Birthday and Middle Weekend of School Holidays
Final 4 – 3 week finals series. Grand Finals on AFL Semi Final Weekend
Cup Competition
Open draw
Round 1 all teams per club at same venue
Round 2 onward, teams follow winning Senior Football / A Grade Netball open draw. All teams for a particular club will be at same venue, may be neutral.
Cup completion to be weeks 3, 6,13,16 & 22 of season
Cup Finals on AFL Preliminary Final Weekend
Promotion / Relegation based on Club Championship*


*Promotion / Relegation

Home & Away season only to be included in Club Championship Rankings
4 points per win Senior Football
4 points per win A Grade Netball
2 Points per win Reserves Football
2 Points per win B Grade Netball
Draws – half win points of the grade of Football / Netball
Club with highest ranking in division to be promoted if club wishes to be
Club with lowest ranking to be relegated if champion club from lower division chooses to be promoted
Club to be promoted to inform league within 14 days of conclusion of H&A Season of their intention.


Lower Grades

Football
U19 / U18 / U17 to be determined by the league as a whole. Age group to be aligned with Netball
All clubs in all divisions to endeavour to field teams in this grade, including “Cup” competition under Option B.
Underage competition does not contribute to Club Championship for promotion / relegation.
Lower age groups to be run as geographically based separate competition. No “Cup” competition. Align Age Groups & Clubs with netball
Netball
All clubs to endeavour to field C/D/E grades and underage aligning with football underage grade including “Cup” competition under Option B.
C/D/E and underage netball does not contribute to Club Championship for promotion / relegation.
Lower age groups to be run as geographically based separate competition. No “Cup” competition. Align Age Groups with football


Womens Football

All clubs to be encouraged to field womens teams under a “one club” philosophy
Womens competition to be separate league until such time that all clubs field teams
Upon sufficient teams in the league, the competition will align with existing Football / Netball divisional structure
Womens teams to contribute to club championship rankings as per mens Senior football and A Grade netball


Salary Cap / Player Points

Salary Cap to be applied equally across all clubs in all divisions
For the purposes of player transfers, Division 1 to be considered a Premier Community Competition