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Genuinely forgot, had Hampson in there then took him out for a position change and didn't slot him back in.
At the moment I have Hampson as our second ruck and Warnock the Kreuzer back up.
Laidler, Jamison, Watson
Yarran, Henderson, Scotland
Gibbs, Judd, Simpson
Walker, Waite, Garlett
Betts, Casboult, Hampson
Kreuzer, Murphy, Carrazzo
McLean, Robinson, Lucas, Bell/Armfield
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A fair few people have Bell in their starting side for round 1. Whilst I don't have him in there at this stage, I did mention his name as a candidate to take on Scotland's role in the opening two rounds of the season.
Thinking of a potential match-up for him in round 1, I wonder if we'll consider playing him in a defensive role on Dustin Martin. Martin is a gun and a genuine match winner when he is on song, well and truly one of the players we have to be careful of.
Bell can match Dustin in body size & strength, and whilst Martin may have Belly for pace he certainly doesn't for endurance. From memory, Bell spent a fair bit of his junior career as a defender so may not be overawed if Dustin pushes deep forward. In our last meeting with the Tigers, they exploited Marcus Davies who was completely out of his depth in that department.
On top of that Dustin isn't the most defensively-minded of footballers and with Bell a solid mark and able to push forward that may well be an area where we can exploit the Tigers. Bell's a strong mark and knows how to kick a goal so that could cause Richmond a real issue and force a re-think from them.
I think the idea certainly has merit. Bell is certainly not without a chance of playing senior footy in round 1 and that may be a match-up worth looking out for. A good preseason campaign and he could well push his name right to the front of the few spots up for grab early in the season.
Thinking of a potential match-up for him in round 1, I wonder if we'll consider playing him in a defensive role on Dustin Martin. Martin is a gun and a genuine match winner when he is on song, well and truly one of the players we have to be careful of.
Bell can match Dustin in body size & strength, and whilst Martin may have Belly for pace he certainly doesn't for endurance. From memory, Bell spent a fair bit of his junior career as a defender so may not be overawed if Dustin pushes deep forward. In our last meeting with the Tigers, they exploited Marcus Davies who was completely out of his depth in that department.
On top of that Dustin isn't the most defensively-minded of footballers and with Bell a solid mark and able to push forward that may well be an area where we can exploit the Tigers. Bell's a strong mark and knows how to kick a goal so that could cause Richmond a real issue and force a re-think from them.
I think the idea certainly has merit. Bell is certainly not without a chance of playing senior footy in round 1 and that may be a match-up worth looking out for. A good preseason campaign and he could well push his name right to the front of the few spots up for grab early in the season.
Something like
B: Laidler, Jamison, Watson
HB: Yarran, Henderson, Scotland
C: Simpson, McLean, Murphy
HF: Gibbs, Waite, Garlett
F: Betts, Hampson, Walker
Foll: Kreuzer, Judd, Carrazzo
I/C: Robinson, Armfield + 2
B: Laidler, Jamison, Watson
HB: Yarran, Henderson, Scotland
C: Simpson, McLean, Murphy
HF: Gibbs, Waite, Garlett
F: Betts, Hampson, Walker
Foll: Kreuzer, Judd, Carrazzo
I/C: Robinson, Armfield + 2
Great idea to get Belly involved in the game J. The burning question for me is how do you envisage this fitting in with Malthouse's plans, given that (historically) he has a reluctance to utilise a hard tag?
If you watch the replay from the 2nd meeting last season Gibbs did a great job on Martin. I think he is the logical match-up. I especially like it as Martin often gets lazy and unaccountable later in games which would allow Gibbs to run off him and punish them.
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Cotchin as left alone to wander into the forward 50 and that is when he picked up his goals. When Bell and Curnow were put on him - he was completely shut out.
Allowing Martin and Cotchin their 'free' passes in teh first half was a costly gaffe - it was corrected and thanks to Armfield we got back into teh game and McLean's magic wobbler won us the ame...however the lead was 'given' to them by inexplicable lack of match-ups in the first and second quarters.
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Round 1 of the NAB Cup has now passed - are we any clearer to finding out our 'best 22', or our preferred side to face Richmond in round 1 of the Home & Away season?
Of course we can't say anything definitively on the back of yesterday's games, but it may have helped put some things into perspective.
Personally I now have 18 spots filled in my preferred side for round 1, with 4 spots remaining open and up for grabs.
The names I thus far have on the team sheet for round 1 are as follows:
1) Walker
2) Murphy
3) Gibbs
4) Judd
5) Simpson
6) Kreuzer
7) Robinson
8) Yarran
9) McLean
10) Laidler
11) Betts
12) Henderson
13) Waite
14) Garlett
15) Jamison
16) Carrazzo
17) Casboult
18) Hampson
The first 16 I believe to be certainties, and I don't expect there to be much by way of disagreement regarding their inclusion.
Casboult and Hampson are two who are a little more up in the air but I do expect them both to be there. Casbout was excellent in the second half of 2012 and he looks to have used that as a foundation from which to spring into 2013. We know his limitations but from what I've seen, whilst his kicking is still not great, it does look to have improved slightly. His contested marking remains an absolute highlight as does his willingness to launch himself into a contest and genuinely impose himself on the game - and for that I believe it'll be too difficult to overlook for senior selection.
There has been much debate on this board regarding our ruck division and how they fit into our best side. Kreuzer is seen by most as our best option in the ruck, and rightly so. The Hampson/Warnock debate is what has generated the most discussion. As I said in the designated thread, I feel that Hampson is comfortably ahead of Warnock not just because of what he can do in the ruck but mainly because of what he offers us around the ground. By no means did yesterdays performance stamp Warnock's papers and I still think he has an important role to play heading forward but it did solidify my thoughts that Hampson is clearly our best option for the backup ruck position, and part-time forward.
With that 18 listed, we are left looking to fill the final four positions. I'm yet to settle on the four but I have narrowed it down to 11 names - Watson, Armfield, Bell, Curnow, Duigan, White, Joseph, Ellard, Lucas, Tuohy & Graham. There are some names in that group that certain supporters won't like seeing but the reality is that all of them have their strengths and weaknesses, and I expect all to feature in the senior side throughout 2013. Even though the likes of ROK, Rowe and Bootsma have all been mentioned and have all impressed at times, I feel they are in the grouping below and not necessarily in contention for a round 1 spot - although few names could be ruled out completely and a strong showing over the next few weeks could well change that. At this stage I find it difficult to pick four from that group and much may well depend on how they perform throughout the rest of the preseason games and indeed on the training track. All have genuine claims to getting a call up and it will be interesting to see which way we go and there will be some unlucky boys to miss out. Such is the nature of depth in the squad - well and truly a good problem to have. If I'm to name four right now, I'd probably have to go with Armfield, Duigan, Bell and Lucas - but in no way is that set in stone and if I'm to reconsider at the end of this sentence it's not a guarantee that those four named would be the same as I have just written - that's how close it is.
Putting the 22 then on paper and it reads as follows:
B: Jeremy Laidler - Michael Jamison - Nick Duigan
HB: Chris Yarran - Lachie Henderson - Tom Bell
C: Kade Simpson - Andrew Carrazzo - Bryce Gibbs
HF: Andrew Walker - Levi Casboult - Mitch Robinson
F: Eddie Betts - Shaun Hampson - Jarrad Waite
R: Matthew Kreuzer - Marc Murphy - Chris Judd
INT: Brock McLean - Jeff Garlett - Dennis Armfield - Kane Lucas
Of course we can't say anything definitively on the back of yesterday's games, but it may have helped put some things into perspective.
Personally I now have 18 spots filled in my preferred side for round 1, with 4 spots remaining open and up for grabs.
The names I thus far have on the team sheet for round 1 are as follows:
1) Walker
2) Murphy
3) Gibbs
4) Judd
5) Simpson
6) Kreuzer
7) Robinson
8) Yarran
9) McLean
10) Laidler
11) Betts
12) Henderson
13) Waite
14) Garlett
15) Jamison
16) Carrazzo
17) Casboult
18) Hampson
The first 16 I believe to be certainties, and I don't expect there to be much by way of disagreement regarding their inclusion.
Casboult and Hampson are two who are a little more up in the air but I do expect them both to be there. Casbout was excellent in the second half of 2012 and he looks to have used that as a foundation from which to spring into 2013. We know his limitations but from what I've seen, whilst his kicking is still not great, it does look to have improved slightly. His contested marking remains an absolute highlight as does his willingness to launch himself into a contest and genuinely impose himself on the game - and for that I believe it'll be too difficult to overlook for senior selection.
There has been much debate on this board regarding our ruck division and how they fit into our best side. Kreuzer is seen by most as our best option in the ruck, and rightly so. The Hampson/Warnock debate is what has generated the most discussion. As I said in the designated thread, I feel that Hampson is comfortably ahead of Warnock not just because of what he can do in the ruck but mainly because of what he offers us around the ground. By no means did yesterdays performance stamp Warnock's papers and I still think he has an important role to play heading forward but it did solidify my thoughts that Hampson is clearly our best option for the backup ruck position, and part-time forward.
With that 18 listed, we are left looking to fill the final four positions. I'm yet to settle on the four but I have narrowed it down to 11 names - Watson, Armfield, Bell, Curnow, Duigan, White, Joseph, Ellard, Lucas, Tuohy & Graham. There are some names in that group that certain supporters won't like seeing but the reality is that all of them have their strengths and weaknesses, and I expect all to feature in the senior side throughout 2013. Even though the likes of ROK, Rowe and Bootsma have all been mentioned and have all impressed at times, I feel they are in the grouping below and not necessarily in contention for a round 1 spot - although few names could be ruled out completely and a strong showing over the next few weeks could well change that. At this stage I find it difficult to pick four from that group and much may well depend on how they perform throughout the rest of the preseason games and indeed on the training track. All have genuine claims to getting a call up and it will be interesting to see which way we go and there will be some unlucky boys to miss out. Such is the nature of depth in the squad - well and truly a good problem to have. If I'm to name four right now, I'd probably have to go with Armfield, Duigan, Bell and Lucas - but in no way is that set in stone and if I'm to reconsider at the end of this sentence it's not a guarantee that those four named would be the same as I have just written - that's how close it is.
Putting the 22 then on paper and it reads as follows:
B: Jeremy Laidler - Michael Jamison - Nick Duigan
HB: Chris Yarran - Lachie Henderson - Tom Bell
C: Kade Simpson - Andrew Carrazzo - Bryce Gibbs
HF: Andrew Walker - Levi Casboult - Mitch Robinson
F: Eddie Betts - Shaun Hampson - Jarrad Waite
R: Matthew Kreuzer - Marc Murphy - Chris Judd
INT: Brock McLean - Jeff Garlett - Dennis Armfield - Kane Lucas
Can't take a lot out of the matches on the weekend. Lots of rusty players and it's not a real home and away environment although GWS played a good brand of footy. Just from the weekend, for players who are borderline 22, you could say that Rowe, Casboult, Armfield, Dale, Graham, Lucas and Hampson all put their hands up while Touhy, O'Keefe, McCarthy, Watson and White did themselves no favours. Still too early to make any big decisions on the final 22 from these first matches.
One thing we might see is players who are dodgy kicks for goal given the boot out of the forward line. I noticed Simpson and Robinson sifted quickly to the back half after missing easy goals. Not the most reliable those two.
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FB: Laidler Jamison Yarran
HB: Lucas Henderson Scotland
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Robinson Waite Garlett
FF: Walker Casboult Betts
R: Kreuz Judd Murphy
Int: Carazzo Watson Bell Sub: Armfield
hard call leaving out on Hampson and tuohy
HB: Lucas Henderson Scotland
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Robinson Waite Garlett
FF: Walker Casboult Betts
R: Kreuz Judd Murphy
Int: Carazzo Watson Bell Sub: Armfield
hard call leaving out on Hampson and tuohy
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Very hard to try to pick a squad for round 1. I gave it a crack anyway though.
FB- Duigan Jamo Laidler
HB- Yarran Hendo Bell
C- Simpson Mclean Gibbs
HF- Walker Waite Garlett
FF- Hampson Casboult Betts
Fol- Kruez Murphy Judd
Int- Robbo Carrots Armfield Sub-Lucas
If Rowe keeps going how he is going, he could easily squeeze one of Cas out of the FF position.
Watson may get used if MM wants 3 genuine talls in the defensive 50. I have left him out for balance back there.
Scotland is a lock when he comes back from suspension, so someone will need to make room for him.
Tuohy showed enough last year to suggest he is best 22, but I just couldn't find a way to leave Bell out of the side.
Joesph did enough yesterday to suggest he is pushing for a spot in the BP
Graham showing plenty, would not look out of place in the round 1 clash.
Appologies to Curnow who has not done anything wrong.
It is just fantastic to see a healthy list at the moment though. Especially the big men. I am very excited about our year if we can keep all the big men up and firing.
Some tough decisions for MM and the selection commitee in the lead up to round 1.
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FB- Duigan Jamo Laidler
HB- Yarran Hendo Bell
C- Simpson Mclean Gibbs
HF- Walker Waite Garlett
FF- Hampson Casboult Betts
Fol- Kruez Murphy Judd
Int- Robbo Carrots Armfield Sub-Lucas
If Rowe keeps going how he is going, he could easily squeeze one of Cas out of the FF position.
Watson may get used if MM wants 3 genuine talls in the defensive 50. I have left him out for balance back there.
Scotland is a lock when he comes back from suspension, so someone will need to make room for him.
Tuohy showed enough last year to suggest he is best 22, but I just couldn't find a way to leave Bell out of the side.
Joesph did enough yesterday to suggest he is pushing for a spot in the BP
Graham showing plenty, would not look out of place in the round 1 clash.
Appologies to Curnow who has not done anything wrong.
It is just fantastic to see a healthy list at the moment though. Especially the big men. I am very excited about our year if we can keep all the big men up and firing.
Some tough decisions for MM and the selection commitee in the lead up to round 1.
Go Blues.
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Tuohy Jamison Laidler
Yarran Henderson Lucas
Simpson Murphy Scotland
Walker Waite Garlett
Betts Casboult Hampson/Rowe
Kreuzer Judd Carrazzo
Gibbs McLean Robinson Bell
EMG: Curnow Armfield McInnes
Yarran Henderson Lucas
Simpson Murphy Scotland
Walker Waite Garlett
Betts Casboult Hampson/Rowe
Kreuzer Judd Carrazzo
Gibbs McLean Robinson Bell
EMG: Curnow Armfield McInnes
This. Except Lucas out, Garlett into that HFF spot and Rowe into the pocket. Also think you've got 4 of the same player on the pine, maybe Duigan/White/Tuohy or someone else that can play back/forward for Bell. So hard to fit everyone into the team right now!
Laidler, Jamison, Watson
Yarran, Henderson, Scotland
Gibbs, Judd, Simpson
Walker, Waite, Garlett
Betts, Casboult, Rowe
Kreuzer, Murphy, Carrazzo
McLean, Robinson, Armfield, Duigan/White/Tuohy/Bell
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I wouldn't just judge anyone on week one of the NAB cup. He'll get games, still reckon he and Bootsma are more for 2014 though.
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Id agree with that, Watson will get games, but its important to remember that he got games last year because both Jamo and particularly Henderson were injured a lot. He'll keep developing and everyone will be better off for it. Bootsma is in a similar position. Wouldnt be surprised if Mick brings these guys back for games against lower teams though.
Probably the only thing that has stopped Simpson being an "A" class player is his kicking for goal over the course of his career.
Simpson always kicks poorly early in the year, even into the early parts of the main season but often comes good. Like Carrazzo, not a natural good kick but obviously after a lot of work these guys come good, but he is still not overly reliable for goal that's for sure. Murphy is one too I hope improves his kicking for goal as it's not been great and it should be. Perhaps Simpson could be that back pocket player that we lack?
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He certainly seemed to be down back quite a bit yesterday.
On another note: Lucas played far better in game 2 than game 1 yesterday. They moved him into Scotland's position and he just seemed to be confident/disposal more effective. IMO he should be given Scotto's role for Rounds 1 & 2. As much as I hate thinking about Scotland's impending retirement, it would be good to start grooming Lucas to be a ready made replacement.
Yeah Lucas did some good things, loves getting the ball at half back and having plenty of space ahead of him. It's his best position from what I have seen.
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I thought Lucas played a damn good second game yesterday, I thought he was better than Yarran who can break lines but seemed a little out of sorts yesterday.
Cant wait to see the team develop over the next few weeks. We might finally get the team we hoped for before cancer and injury took much of it last year.
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Likely round one team if Waite doesn't come up...
FB: Laidler Jamison Duigan
HB: Yarran Henderson Tuohy
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Robinson Casboult Garlett
FF: Walker Hampson Betts
R: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Kreuzer Armfield Sub: Bell
Emerg: Lucas Curnow Rowe
With Scotland out, I think we'll play Duigan due to his leadership and intensity. Liked Duigan's game who looked back to early form at Carlton. Even kicked accurately on his wrong foot. Shock horror.
Tuohy will be ahead of Sugar due to his disposal and mongrel.
FB: Laidler Jamison Duigan
HB: Yarran Henderson Tuohy
C: Gibbs McLean Simpson
HF: Robinson Casboult Garlett
FF: Walker Hampson Betts
R: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo Kreuzer Armfield Sub: Bell
Emerg: Lucas Curnow Rowe
With Scotland out, I think we'll play Duigan due to his leadership and intensity. Liked Duigan's game who looked back to early form at Carlton. Even kicked accurately on his wrong foot. Shock horror.
Tuohy will be ahead of Sugar due to his disposal and mongrel.
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