Best draft steal???

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by Cupido13
He is hardly comparable to James Hird either, when I say run of the mill 200 gamer all I mean is that obviousl you need to be a quality player to play 200 games, but, he is hardly the kind of guy you would walk over your mum's grave to add to your list. James Hird has dominated headlines for a decade now.

Oh, there's no doubt that Hird is a better player than Kemp ever was, but quite obviously you know nothing whatsoever about Dean Kemp. At his prime in the early-mid 90s every club would just about have ****ed on their mum's grave for Kemp.

I'd be guessing from what you've been saying you're too young to really remember Kemp, and too Essendon-centric to appreciate great players at any other club. Kemp at 112 is probably about the same as Hird at 79.


Oh in recent times the Eagles best pick up would be Andrew Embley at 54 IIRC, although Chad Fletcher through the rookie draft is a pretty good pick up...

 

[jasnik]

Originally posted by WABomber
All you diehard WCE eagles fans need to get your hand off it.. I seen kemp play many a time and he was a great player but yous are acting like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.. I can think of 10 players in the WCE alone who would be in his league..

I think the best place to get an answer on the Hrid v Kemp debate is to ask the God of AFL commentating, Dennis Cometti.

Question1 : How many times does DC say after Hird does anything brilliant "... and he was picked up at no. 79 in the draft"?
Answer: Never

Question 2: How many times did DC say after Kemp did anything brilliant "... and he was picked up at no. 112 in the draft"?
Answer: Every ****ing time.

Winner: Kemp

 

[Maguire#31]

Originally posted by Chris_Judd
Thats now these players are getting credibility. It was Gary Lyon himself who said that had Kemp played for a Victorian team he would be one of the all time greats... and likened him to Robbie Flower. If Peter Matera had played for Collingwood or Essendon he would also be on of the greatest players of the last 20 years. Only now are these players starting to get recognition now..... and even that has only been in the last few months.... Mike Sheahen himself says that Victorians underestimate players like Daniel Kerr and Haselby because they are so far away and they dont see them playing week in and week out.

Mike Sheehan hey.... well iot must be true!! the same sheehan who said voss (brett) was hanging on by a thread and is also gonna finish top 5 in b&f!!! haselby is good, kerr isnt as good... but GOP if not slightly better

 

[The Passenger]

Originally posted by jasnik
I think the best place to get an answer on the Hrid v Kemp debate is to ask the God of AFL commentating, Dennis Cometti.

Question1 : How many times does DC say after Hird does anything brilliant "... and he was picked up at no. 79 in the draft"?
Answer: Never

Question 2: How many times did DC say after Kemp did anything brilliant "... and he was picked up at no. 112 in the draft"?
Answer: Every ****ing time.

Winner: Kemp

we're not trying to say Kemp is a better player, we all know Hird was better. But a lot of people don't realize just how good he is.

As for best value - pretty even. Maybe a slight points win to Essendon.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by Maguire#31
stkilda are loving the Luke Penny for DP #19 swap.

Cameron Faulkner was the kid we picked up with that pick. He will be dominating AFL footy when Luke Penny is a dim, dark memory.

 

[DaveW]

I suspect the whole Kemp discussion is probably rather moot anyway as I don't think he was a true #112 pick. Wasn't he only taken that low because of the concessions West Coast had with WA players?

 

[Maguire#31]

Originally posted by localyokel
Cameron Faulkner was the kid we picked up with that pick. He will be dominating AFL footy when Luke Penny is a dim, dark memory.

why is penny gonna die next yr?? he'll be with us for 10 years!!!!!!

but who is faulkkner, dunno much boiut him... did he play this yr, if not y not?

 

[jasnik]

Originally posted by Black Thunder
we're not trying to say Kemp is a better player, we all know Hird was better. But a lot of people don't realize just how good he is.

As for best value - pretty even. Maybe a slight points win to Essendon.

Agreed. If you asked Cometti who the better player was he would probably say Hird, but the subject of this thread is "Best Draft Steal". I just found it funny that DC used to quote where Kemp was picked up in the draft every time he did anything good with the ball, yet doesn't mention Hird's draft pick. This leads to the conclusion that DC thinks that Kemp was more of a draft "steal" than Hird was.

Very scientific analysis I know!

 

[Demonheart]

Trading Phil Gilbert (remember him?) for Jeff Farmer was a pretty good deal, and what did the roos have to give up to get Peter Bell?

Kemp and Hird would walk into any team in any era.

 

[jasnik]

Originally posted by DaveW
I suspect the whole Kemp discussion is probably rather moot anyway as I don't think he was a true #112 pick. Wasn't he only taken that low because of the concessions West Coast had with WA players?

No. That was another one of Dennis Cometti's favourite sayings..

"...he was picked at 112 in the draft, yet he was available to every other club"

Kemp was drafted after WCE's concessions ran out.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cupido13
In all seriousness, I think I would probably rather have James Hird than all of them put together, and he was taken lower than any of them!!

You cannot possibly compare draft results from 12 years ago, to results over the last 3-4 years.

Back then, clubs scouting was atrocious, these days it is superb.

A quality AFL footballer picked at 30+ today, is akin to a similar player taken at 70+ back in the day.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jasnik
No. That was another one of Dennis Cometti's favourite sayings..

"...he was picked at 112 in the draft, yet he was available to every other club"

Kemp was drafted after WCE's concessions ran out.

You're all full of it.

Kemp was an additional draft selection. Ash McIntosh was the player taken at 112.

If you're going to debate the merits of draft steals, it's best to check your facts before launching.

 

[Chris_Judd]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
You're all full of it.

Kemp was an additional draft selection. Ash McIntosh was the player taken at 112.

If you're going to debate the merits of draft steals, it's best to check your facts before launching.

ummm he was an additional draft selection yes... but every other club had the chance to draft him first... and he was still taken at 112. Everyone brings up these "Concessions" as if they were some gift handed to us... you do realise they were only there because the Eagles were the only team in the AFL to have a 35 player squad... while the rest of the AFL had a 52 player squad... which is why we had the "Concessions" These concessions were purely to bring our list up to 52 the same as everyone else and most of these picks were in the 50s to 120s in the draft. The fact is recruiting was not as good back then and scouts weren't finding players like they do now.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by DaveW
I suspect the whole Kemp discussion is probably rather moot anyway as I don't think he was a true #112 pick. Wasn't he only taken that low because of the concessions West Coast had with WA players?

True.

It was never "great eagles recruiting" but that Vics could only draft 1 WAer per year. Eagles could have selected Kemp with pick 427.

But Kemp still deserves respect. He was one hell of a player.

 

[drexel]

Originally posted by Chris_Judd
I will admit I saw Hird play against Freo and thought to myself... geez he is a good player.....

Perfect exampe of Hird's hype machine. I remember he kicked that goal that bounced at right angles and bounced over players heads to eventually score a goal. By the end of the match, you'd swear the commentators started believing it was all down to Hird's brilliance.

Kemp- Norm smith, two flags, AA ....HOw the f***k can that be called run of the mill in comparison to Hird.
Next we'll be told that Peter Matera was just a good wingman on his day.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Chris_Judd
ummm he was an additional draft selection yes... but every other club had the chance to draft him first... and he was still taken at 112.

No, no he wasn't.

As said earlier, Ashley McIntosh was selection 112 in that draft.

Despite what the Eagles supporters say, Kemp was never taken at 112, he was an additional selection, a selection that DOES NOT have a draft number.

 

[Deegle]

Alright people i think i can make a summary of all this

Hird was better than Kemp, no questions asked but as far as DRAFT STEALS go id have to say they are on level terms as you would never see players of this calibre going so late in drafts these days.

 

[tashibatts]

Originally posted by Demonheart
and what did the roos have to give up to get Peter Bell?

Brent Harvey at #47 has been handy and will continue to be handy

We took Bell at pick #15 in the preseason draft of 96.. so basically, we gave up nothing to get him, got good service from him and received Sinclair, Smith & DMotlop (Picks #6 & #8 respectively in the 2000 draft) Smith doesn't look like turning out for us, but Sinclair has been great and DMotlop took big steps in 03 and will be even better in 04.

Go Roos

 

[sabre_ac]

Medhurst was taken at 56, and highlighted the need for some players to mature a bit more before they are drafted.
And that the likes of the WAFL etc still have players good enough to make an impact in the afl.

 

[speedy]

"The greatest recruiting heist of all"

Don't know if this counts but in a time when players were zoned to clubs (not drafted) the Kangaroos paid Sydney $10000 for one W.Carey who was originally zoned to the Swans.

That was and always will be the greatest "steal" ever.

 

[Dog Town]

Chris Grant at 105 is a fair get.

 

[Scottroo]

Best draft steal would be!



LAWRENCE ANGWIN!

OR IS HE THE BEST DRAFT STEALER?

 

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by Maguire#31
why is penny gonna die next yr?? he'll be with us for 10 years!!!!!!

but who is faulkkner, dunno much boiut him... did he play this yr, if not y not?

Faulkner was on the verge of senior selection when he broke his foot. The kid has it all pace, skill and determination. He will be a far better player than Penny who is injury prone, lazy with his rehab and complacent.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by localyokel
Penny who is injury prone, lazy with his rehab and complacent.

Yet you'd trade your first born to have him back.

 

[bulldogs54]

I reckon Grant at 105 was awesome for back in '88

How about the one where bloody Essendon traded Ridley and Delaney and **** piks and other duds in order to get Matthew Lloyd that was good.

I dont know the full story on this one but the Freo Dockers gave away Andrew McLeod to Adelaide.......2 premierships and 2 Norm Smiths later i'd say that was a bad decision