Discussion Best Longsleeve Guernsey Ever?

[El_Scorcho]

a) if a champion player who favoured long sleeves wanted to be traded to Hawthorn and wear long sleeves, Clarko would be happy to have him

b) Sometimes great coaches have stupid ideas and you can still like them and be a supporter if you occasionally disagree with what they say.

 

[The Half Back]

Or what, keyboard warrior?!

I'm making a general comment, based on the hypothetical of a coach being as dumb and petty to have such a "rule" in place. If you know for a fact that such a rule does exist at your club, well then, I'm laughing and shaking my head at the stupidity of it.

Your general comment is wrong, who cares if his rule is stupid, it hasn't stopped him from winning 4 flags has it?
You don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

a) if a champion player who favoured long sleeves wanted to be traded to Hawthorn and wear long sleeves, Clarko would be happy to have him

b) Sometimes great coaches have stupid ideas and you can still like them and be a supporter if you occasionally disagree with what they say.

A. He'd have him but he wouldn't wear long sleeves.

B. I never said it was a good idea, I'm just saying it's his idea.

 

[Damon_3388]

Your general comment is wrong, who cares if his rule is stupid, it hasn't stopped him from winning 4 flags has it?
You don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

All I said was that such a rule is stupid. You're the one who is taking it as a judgement on your coach and his overall coaching ability.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Clarkson is a winner. He wouldn't turn down a good player for the sake of a stupid long sleeves rule.

 

[The Half Back]

All I said was that such a rule is stupid. You're the one who is taking it as a judgement on your coach and his overall coaching ability.

You said it was bullshit and said that a player should call the coach out for it. I disagreed, you called me a keyboard warrior.

Lol, what utter bullshit.

If any coach was that petty and stupid, I'd encourage a player to publicly call them out on it, to expose them as the fool they are.

Looks like you're the only one judging the coach here.

 

[undefined]

If your arms are cold, you're not working hard enough. Regardless of a player's quality, Clarko would never give out concessions.

 

[Damon_3388]

You said it was bullshit and said that a player should call the coach out for it. I disagreed, you called me a keyboard warrior.

Because you were all "I suggest you stop mouthing off", like some big tough guy.

Looks like you're the only one judging the coach here.

So it's not possible to be stupid or foolish in one instance, or for someone to have a ridiculous viewpoint on one particular thing?

The judgement isn't absolute on a coach's entire character or being. I never mentioned Clarkson or any other coach by name, either.

 

[Fizzler]

I may still be a junior, but playing in 2 degree conditions is uncomfortable. Even then I play to my best ability, but I can't help that my hands were close to breaking. Unfortunately my club doesn't have an option for long sleeves but if we did, I'd be all over it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The idea that long sleeves are a temperature issue in 2015 is stupid.

The idea that it's tougher to not wear long sleeves is also stupid.

 

[El_Scorcho]

If Clarkson thought it was the right list decision moving forward for another flag, he'd throw out his no sleeves rule so fast your head would spin.

 

[Spanna_]

As a player who prefers longsleeve myself, and wears one, I don't see why its such an issue. They are comfortable and look good.

 

[undefined]

The idea that it's tougher to not wear long sleeves is also stupid.

Go inform Clarko of your strong opinions regarding this topic, then. It's a club rule, and has been since Ken Judge left.

Every coach has their own set of regulations. No long sleeves just happens to be a rule of his.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Go inform Clarko of your strong opinions regarding this topic, then. It's a club rule, and has been since Ken Judge left.

Every coach has their own set of regulations. No long sleeves just happens to be a rule of his.

If a 25 year old Michael Tuck fell out of a Delorean and into 2015, he'd be allowed to wear sleeves. It's a flimsy regulation designed to convey conformity and dominance in a developing side that is meaningless for Hawthorn in 2015.

I don't really care, I was just reacting to THB's ridiculous aggressive defence of it. And now yours.

 

[undefined]

It's a flimsy regulation designed to convey conformity and dominance in a developing side that is meaningless for Hawthorn in 2015.

I don't really care, I was just reacting to THB's ridiculous aggressive defence of it. And now yours.

I'm just going to pretend that you didn't make that shitty Tuck reference.

We're currently the industry leaders, and have become that way through many things; though our on-field attitude is spurred by the regulations we have in place. This being one of them, which with 2016/17 bound to be transition years w/ more advanced youngsters being blooded, the player presentation rules ought to be installed in a non-negotiable sense.

Your evident need to go into depth regarding everything Hawthorn (on this board at least) indicates a slight obsession. You've misconstrued the intent of my previous post. Obviously anything regarding the club is going to get my full attention.

 

[ManWithNoName]

If, 5 years ago, Jimmy Bartel said he wanted to come play for Hawthorn, Clarko would be ironing the long sleeve jumper himself.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'm just going to pretend that you didn't make that shitty Tuck reference.

We're currently the industry leaders, and have become that way through many things; though our on-field attitude is spurred by the regulations we have in place. This being one of them, which with 2016/17 bound to be transition years w/ more advanced youngsters being blooded, the player presentation rules ought to be installed in a non-negotiable sense.

Your evident need to go into depth regarding everything Hawthorn (on this board at least) indicates a slight obsession. You've misconstrued the intent of my previous post. Obviously anything regarding the club is going to get my full attention.

Ah the use of the term "obsession", I wasn't aware you and THB were just backing each other up as SFA teammates on this issue.

Bomber Thompson had the same rule at Geelong, then relaxed it because Bartel wanted to wear them coming back from injury to hide his strapping, then the Cats won another flag and nobody batted an eyelid. It's meaningless garbage that'll be perpetuated as long as it isn't challenged. The idea that Clarkson would play a good player in the reserves and then trade them for wanting to wear long sleeves, as suggested by your SFA teammate THB, is ludicrous.

Clarkson copied Geelong on the no sleeves rule several years into his stint at Hawthorn and he'd just as soon copy them on scrapping it when it wasn't suitable anymore.

 

[The Cheesecake]

Surely the FJDB wouldn't be arguing about something so trivial?

 

[E92_]

Surely the FJDB wouldn't be arguing about something so trivial?

 

[Dylan8]

Surely the FJDB wouldn't be arguing about something so trivial?

And here we were, enjoying the lovely sleeves.

 

[Bryce_Jersey17]

Surely the FJDB wouldn't be arguing about something so trivial?

You clearly don't know us that well

 

[Lagooner]

If I was a coach I'd make every player wear long sleeves and a helmet.

Anyone who disagrees with me will be playing the rest of the season for Callington before being deported to Tajikistan.

 

[undefined]

If, 5 years ago, Jimmy Bartel said he wanted to come play for Hawthorn, Clarko would be ironing the long sleeve jumper himself.

Just like he lets his star players waltz around in long sleeves whenever we play in Launceston (surely there'd be at least one A-grader who'd be partial to added warmth)?

Ah the use of the term "obsession", I wasn't aware you and THB were just backing each other up as SFA teammates on this issue.

Bomber Thompson had the same rule at Geelong, then relaxed it because Bartel wanted to wear them coming back from injury to hide his strapping, then the Cats won another flag and nobody batted an eyelid. It's meaningless garbage that'll be perpetuated as long as it isn't challenged. The idea that Clarkson would play a good player in the reserves and then trade them for wanting to wear long sleeves, as suggested by your SFA teammate THB, is ludicrous.

Clarkson copied Geelong on the no sleeves rule several years into his stint at Hawthorn and he'd just as soon copy them on scrapping it when it wasn't suitable anymore.

lel, the Sweet FA? Are you serious? Please, tell me some more wacky assumptions you've made about me/my life.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Just like he lets his star players waltz around in long sleeves whenever we play in Launceston (surely there'd be at least one A-grader who'd be partial to added warmth)?

The warmth argument in 2015 is a furphy. Players are never standing still enough to get cold during matches. It's a comfort/preference issue. If Bartel had demanded a trade to Hawthorn, Clarkson would have been happy enough to let him wear long sleeves, just as he was in the years before before he copied Bomber Thompson and Josh Thurgood and Mark Williams wore long sleeves.

lel, the Sweet FA? Are you serious? Please, tell me some more wacky assumptions you've made about me/my life.

m80 i'm just going on what i've got to work with. You're both posting things consistent with SFA posting.

 

[undefined]

The warmth argument in 2015 is a furphy. Players are never standing still enough to get cold during matches. It's a comfort/preference issue. If Bartel had demanded a trade to Hawthorn, Clarkson would have been happy enough to let him wear long sleeves, just as he was in the years before before he copied Bomber Thompson and Josh Thurgood and Mark Williams wore long sleeves.



m80 i'm just going on what i've got to work with. You're both posting things consistent with SFA posting.

If player warmth isn't relevant in 2015, then PI's w/ long sleeves just shouldn't be made available in a sport which involves tackling.

Just because Clarkson introduced a regulation already put in place at a rival club, it doesn't mean he's straight up copied the idea. You can't suggest with 100% confidence that all Hawthorn players recruited after 2006 are strictly for sleeveless guernseys (the last time a Hawks l/s was worn vs Port in 2006 iirc).

I've never even ventured to the SFA board. Please enlighten me on this bullshit theory you've come up with.

 

[El_Scorcho]

If player warmth isn't relevant in 2015, then PI's w/ long sleeves just shouldn't be made available in a sport which involves tackling.

I really don't think players running 15km in a game of football are all that worried about warmth. Maybe grip. Maybe covering strapping. Maybe they'd prefer to wear long sleeves all the time but get too hot unless it's really cold. We don't know. Plenty of players wear them, some all year round. I do know that AFL footballers aren't getting cold.

Just because Clarkson introduced a regulation already put in place at a rival club, it doesn't mean he's straight up copied the idea. You can't suggest with 100% confidence that all Hawthorn players recruited after 2006 are strictly for sleeveless guernseys (the last time a Hawks l/s was worn vs Port in 2006 iirc).

Come oooonnnnnnnn. He straight up copied it. Is your opinion really that he independently thought of it just after the best team in the league implemented it? Mate. Let's be real here for a second.

All Hawthorn players recruited since 2006 have toed the line. Just as all Geelong players did until one key player requested not to. The rule lasts until it's tested and then it collapses. This idea that Clarkson wouldn't play a guy if he requested to wear sleeves is baffling and ridiculous. The idea that he'd rebuff a gun player who wanted to come to the Hawks because of their preference for long sleeves is equally ridiculous.

I've never even ventured to the SFA board. Please enlighten me on this bullshit theory you've come up with.

You jump in to support a card carrying SFA member with a standard SFA/Bay posting deflection tactic of calling "obsession" at the start of an argument. I hope you guys win the next time a game is randomly drawn via computer program