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And now I’m thinking 35Daicos that maybe Tarrant is the full back relieving Pert.

I now can’t help but place De Goey in too; he’s just so powerful.

If we do win a flag he’ll be no small reason. And Moore in a key back spot.

In a few years I think they’ll all be there.
It's taken a while with Darcy, but we're probably now seeing the player we thought we were getting a fair few years back. If he stays fit and keeps playing the way he currently is for the rest of this season I expect to see him in the AA side at the end of it. You name it he's got it, he has everything it takes to be great. I still feel sad thinking that if he was out there on GF day last year, in even reasonable nick, we surely win. The same applies to Dunn, of course. We just needed that one defender who was big enough to make life a bit tougher for Kennedy. Very unlucky!

De Goey is an outrageous talent. I wouldn't swap him for anyone right now, and by the end of the year he may well be recognised as the competition's finest. Along with Moore, the two of them should end up in our best side from 1990 onwards, and De Goey (at least) may well be deemed good enough for our all-time team if he can play like he currently is for a few years. That is a long way off, however. It's great to watch both these young blokes (who came from the same draft and the same club) play. We still need to get in a KPF or two, but thank goodness they were prepared to go for De Goey when so many would have insisted that we needed Peter Wright instead!! Maybe the recruiters really did know what they were doing!
 
It's taken a while with Darcy, but we're probably now seeing the player we thought we were getting a fair few years back. If he stays fit and keeps playing the way he currently is for the rest of this season I expect to see him in the AA side at the end of it. You name it he's got it, he has everything it takes to be great. I still feel sad thinking that if he was out there on GF day last year, in even reasonable nick, we surely win. The same applies to Dunn, of course. We just needed that one defender who was big enough to make life a bit tougher for Kennedy. Very unlucky!

De Goey is an outrageous talent. I wouldn't swap him for anyone right now, and by the end of the year he may well be recognised as the competition's finest. Along with Moore, the two of them should end up in our best side from 1990 onwards, and De Goey (at least) may well be deemed good enough for our all-time team if he can play like he currently is for a few years. It's great to watch both these young blokes (who came from the same draft and the same club) play. We still need to get in a KPF or two, but thank goodness they were prepared to go for De Goey when so many would have insisted that we needed Peter Wright instead!! Maybe the recruiters really did know what they were doing!
I’ve told this little story before.
A recruiter from a different club (premiership club) conveyed to me that Derek Hine is considered within the sport to be in the top two or three recruiters.

I think we are very well served.

What De Goey does more than any other player of his draft year is being that intangible presence.
That’s why he’s so valuable to us.

And I’d not swap him for any other player in his draft. No way no how.

(And there’s real talent in that draft.)
 

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I’ll go at this again just as I’m sitting here.

1990 onwards.

B. S Burns ~ C Tarrant ~ H Shaw
HB. J Clement ~ B Reid ~ M McGuane
C. S Sidebottom ~ N Buckley (c) ~ G Brown
HF. J De Goey ~ T Cloke ~ D Millane
F. P Daicos ~ S Rocca ~ A Didak
R. B Grundy ~ S Pendlebury ~ D Swan
I. D Beams ~ A Treloar ~ G Wright ~ A Shaw ~
C. L Matthews

E. G Pert, S Morwood, L Davis, L Ball

Looking forward to Darcy Moore taking over the Centre Half Back spot and Jamie Elliott jumping into the side.
 
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To me that’s the only way you can make a fair comparison.

Almost magically the yesteryear player “adjusts” to height and range.
Otherwise as Knightmare points out Dick Lee isn’t in a discussion for his height.

But to me Dick Lee is a MUST for all time best team.

Was Dick Lee better in any year than Ron Todd, Gordon Coventry, Peter Daicos or Peter McKenna though? And would he with how he played then at his height be better than those guys?

I have Lee at 175cm in the conversation as he from the information I'm aware of could do it both at ground level and overhead. Eddie Betts is 174cm, so I don't regard height an issue with Lee if placed in a forward pocket.

I'm similarly comfortable with the height of Coventry and Todd. Todd is pretty much De Goey height and Coventry is a fair bit taller than Alex Fasolo was as a focal point.

Would the lack of handballing make it too hard for Lee, Todd and Coventry today? Lack of forward pressure/lack of awareness of the importance of it?
 
Was Dick Lee better in any year than Ron Todd, Gordon Coventry, Peter Daicos or Peter McKenna though? And would he with how he played then at his height be better than those guys?

I have Lee at 175cm in the conversation as he from the information I'm aware of could do it both at ground level and overhead. Eddie Betts is 174cm, so I don't regard height an issue with Lee if placed in a forward pocket.

I'm similarly comfortable with the height of Coventry and Todd. Todd is pretty much De Goey height and Coventry is a fair bit taller than Alex Fasolo was as a focal point.

Would the lack of handballing make it too hard for Lee, Todd and Coventry today? Lack of forward pressure/lack of awareness of the importance of it?
I think when you win the VFL goal kicking TEN TIMES it’s safe to say he did so.
First man to get to 50 goals, in Home and Away. (Mick Grace from Varlton in 1906 got to 50 if you include finals.)
He was a phenomenon in his time.

He’s just not blessed with being a better known modern player.

To dominate the competition for a decade says he was something else.

I like our (my names anyway) greatest forward lines:

HF. E Rowell ~ R Todd ~ P Carman
F. D Lee ~ G Coventry ~ P Daicos


Ofcourse you could make a case for P McKenna for P Daicos in a pocket with Daicos taking Carman’s spot.
Depended if being top heavy is an issue or not? Do I name the best 6 forwards or do I add some flankers specific to that.
 
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For those interested my latest incarnation of best side.


All Collingwood

B. F Leach ~ J Regan ~ S Coventry (c)
HB. J Greening ~ A Collier ~ S Pendlebury
C. R Condon ~ N Buckley ~ D Fothergill
HF. E Rowell ~ R Todd ~ P Carman
F. D Lee ~ G Coventry ~ P Daicos
R. L Thompson ~ R Rose ~ H Collier
I. A Kyne ~ H Romney ~ D Swan ~ T Merrett
C. J McHale
 
For those interested my latest incarnation of best side.


All Collingwood

B. F Leach ~ J Regan ~ S Coventry (c)
HB. J Greening ~ A Collier ~ S Pendlebury
C. R Condon ~ N Buckley ~ D Fothergill
HF. E Rowell ~ R Todd ~ P Carman
F. D Lee ~ G Coventry ~ P Daicos
R. L Thompson ~ R Rose ~ H Collier
I. A Kyne ~ H Romney ~ D Swan ~ T Merrett
C. J McHale
Very interesting lineup. Good to see you're prepared to give some of the oddballs/characters like Carman, Condon and Leach a go!! We saw how good Carman could be when he got it right; the other two were obviously brilliant as well - along with being wayward at times!

You suggested in your previous post the forward line may be "top heavy", and with most of those named playing as key forwards in their day I'd have to agree. Ted Rowell must have been outstanding, and the fact that he also starred at full-back for us makes him a handy man to have in the team, but I'd want to move him (at least) out and get (almost certainly) Fothergill there. His goalscoring record was quite extraordinary for a non-KPF, averaging over 3 goals a game, and booting 50 goals+ 5 times in seven seasons with us, so I don't think the team would suffer at all!

The great Albert Thurgood once tried to get a clearance from Essendon to Collingwood, but it obviously wasn't granted. It would have been interesting to throw that name into the group of contenders as well!
 
Very interesting lineup. Good to see you're prepared to give some of the oddballs/characters like Carman, Condon and Leach a go!! We saw how good Carman could be when he got it right; the other two were obviously brilliant as well - along with being wayward at times!

You suggested in your previous post the forward line may be "top heavy", and with most of those named playing as key forwards in their day I'd have to agree. Ted Rowell must have been outstanding, and the fact that he also starred at full-back for us makes him a handy man to have in the team, but I'd want to move him (at least) out and get (almost certainly) Fothergill there. His goalscoring record was quite extraordinary for a non-KPF, averaging over 3 goals a game, and booting 50 goals+ 5 times in seven seasons with us, so I don't think the team would suffer at all!

The great Albert Thurgood once tried to get a clearance from Essendon to Collingwood, but it obviously wasn't granted. It would have been interesting to throw that name into the group of contenders as well!
Forhergill was something else.
Amazing player on so many counts.
Young too when he was a star.

Carman from childhood was so dynamic and to me in physical strength for size the one player I see like Ablett Snr. Just Phil was wayward and cost us in 77 With dumbness.

But what a star he was.

Now you mention Albert Thurgood one of my favourite old time players who for young posters was considered what Wayne Carey was considered in his prime. An absolute super star.

Just for a fun fact, Albert Thurgood had a Melbourne Cup placegetter coming third with his horse Amazonia.
 
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I think when you win the VFL goal kicking TEN TIMES it’s safe to say he did so.
First man to get to 50 goals, in Home and Away. (Mick Grace from Varlton in 1906 got to 50 if you include finals.)
He was a phenomenon in his time.

He’s just not blessed with being a better known modern player.

To dominate the competition for a decade says he was something else.

I like our (my names anyway) greatest forward lines:

HF. E Rowell ~ R Todd ~ P Carman
F. D Lee ~ G Coventry ~ P Daicos


Ofcourse you could make a case for P McKenna for P Daicos in a pocket with Daicos taking Carman’s spot.
Depended if being top heavy is an issue or not? Do I name the best 6 forwards or do I add some flankers specific to that.

My questions with Dick Lee doesn't relate in any respect to his relative dominance during his time by comparison to anyone else but rather and purely - if he at his height, with the skillset of his time was taken from the best year of his career. Would he be someone who would in a Collingwood All-Star team of sorts be picked with the intention to win under modern rules against a modern team under current rules or would there be better choices if wanting to get the W?

And that's assuming completely no knowledge of what has happened since that prime moment in his career, no added skills from what he had in that moment or added height or anything.

Purely plug and play I'm talking.

With Dick Lee, Ron Todd, Peter McKenna, Peter Daicos, Gordon Coventry. If they all played in Collingwood's front half today and stepped in, in the places of say Jamie Elliott, Mason Cox, Brody Mihocek, Jaidyn Stephenson and Jordan De Goey. Does the front half improve? How many goals do they each kick? Would any of them be weak links and fail to make that transition or be upgrades on any of those present Pies forwards?

They're the elements when looking back I personally find interesting. Were they all really that good that they are completely 2019 future proofed?

Nathan Buckley I feel it would be a safe call to say would be 2100 future proofed even at 186cm and with no knowledge about how important forward pressure/tackling is today or whatever else in 2100 might be different or with any conceivable rule changes.
 
My questions with Dick Lee doesn't relate in any respect to his relative dominance during his time by comparison to anyone else but rather and purely - if he at his height, with the skillset of his time was taken from the best year of his career. Would he be someone who would in a Collingwood All-Star team of sorts be picked with the intention to win under modern rules against a modern team under current rules or would there be better choices if wanting to get the W?

And that's assuming completely no knowledge of what has happened since that prime moment in his career, no added skills from what he had in that moment or added height or anything.

Purely plug and play I'm talking.

With Dick Lee, Ron Todd, Peter McKenna, Peter Daicos, Gordon Coventry. If they all played in Collingwood's front half today and stepped in, in the places of say Jamie Elliott, Mason Cox, Brody Mihocek, Jaidyn Stephenson and Jordan De Goey. Does the front half improve? How many goals do they each kick? Would any of them be weak links and fail to make that transition or be upgrades on any of those present Pies forwards?

They're the elements when looking back I personally find interesting. Were they all really that good that they are completely 2019 future proofed?

Nathan Buckley I feel it would be a safe call to say would be 2100 future proofed even at 186cm and with no knowledge about how important forward pressure/tackling is today or whatever else in 2100 might be different or with any conceivable rule changes.
I look far more for 22 best players relatively in their positions.

Players all 22 worthy of being deigned Best 22.
Winning today, 1897, 2100 or whenever is just not relevant for me. Not in a traditional win a match.

For me it’s a historical doffing of the cap to 22 wonderful players.

(And Jock McHale. That goes without saying.)
 

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B: M Lokan - J Frost - J Russell
HB: D Stanley - T Walker - A Corrie
C: J Aish (c) - R Cook - A Iacobucci
HF: C Egan - T Davidson - C Morrison
F: L Rounds - J Paine - D King
R: D Fanning - J Rowe - J Barham
INT: G Richards a K Ugle - B Kinnear - T Lane

I just can’t see where this side could be improved.
Where the **** are Simon Buckley and Andrew Williams?
 
Where the **** are Simon Buckley and Andrew Williams?
I’m saying this again, can’t take any team seriously without Gault.
 
B: Clement, Prestigiacomo, H Shaw
HB: Buckley, Reid, Crosisca
C: Millane, Swan, G Brown
HF: P Williams, T Cloke, Tarrant
F: P Daicos, S Rocca, De Goey
Fol: Grundy, Pendles, Francis
Int: T Shaw, McGuane, D Thomas, Russell
E: Burns, Licuria, Didak
 

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