Roast Bevo pull your ******* head in

[go you pups]

Seriously after round 2 I thought we had turned a corner, we were winning our own footy, we had tall forwards who were hitting the scoreboard, we were controlling games and it looked like we had structure

Now we've fallen back into bad habits and the team is a mess

STOP PLAYING THIS STUPID SMALLER SETUP, IT IS NOT 2015 ANYMORE FFS, YOUR CAPTAIN IS NOT A KEY DEFENDER, USE HIM IN HIS PROPER MEDIUM ROLE OR DON'T PLAY HIM ANYMORE. YOUR BEST REBOUNDER IS 5 FOOT ******* 5, PROTECT HIM FFS, SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING HIM OUTMARKED EVERY WEEK COUGHING UP GOALS AD NAUSEAM BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY GUY WHO READS THE GAME BEHIND THE BALL THESE DAYS

Start playing whatever talls you have for structures sake and stop playing guys who butcher the bloody ball every week. Tom Boyd is not a ruckman, Josh Schache is not a ruckman, play them forward. Aaron Naughton might end up being a forward, but we are horrendously exposed down back in this 666 system, if you're not going to play Roberts or Lewis Young, then play Naughton down back FFS and sure us up...

Lachie Hunter and Mitch Wallis you are both killing us with your turnovers and poor decision making/footskills, the game has gone past you both currently. Reinvent yourselves and become useful or otherwise you are no longer required in my eyes. Ed Richards or Toby McLean should be our wingmen if Hunter is not up to it, Wallis is keeping kids like Lipinski out, these kids are very capable imo, McLean in particular, use them in more important roles please.

Bevo, start using Josh Dunkley in the middle FFS, he's not a key forward, you have too many skinny midfielders/flanker/rebounder types, we have been bullied in the middle the last two weeks by bigger mids, put your biggest body who's capable of playing there in there so we can give ourselves a chance to hold our own, we are disadvantaged every week in the middle by English who's not physically ready as yet and is easily beaten by most rucks in the comp.

Your coaching staff are stuck in the past like yourself Bevo too, there's no more third man up, there's 666 in place, we are getting monstered by bigger, better one on one players with these new rules in place, what worked for us in 2015-16 does not work anymore, we can't zone off anymore, we have to play solid, direct, accountable football like what the Cats and Pies are currently doing (imo they're the best 2 sides in the comp currently), why is it too hard to understand this? Your coaching group needs to be moved on Bevo, they've taken us as far as they can go, move them on or otherwise you'll have to be moved on yourself imo. They should've been gutted after 2017, alas they weren't. We need a Hardwickesque coaching staff rebuild, like what Richmond did with him after 2016, simple as that. No yes men either.

Get your shit together Bevo, please, otherwise what is to gain this season, the number one draft pick? **** that, I want to win. We pissed away a chance of winning tonight through the usual circumstances either side of three quarter time, something simply has to give.

 

[ScragCity]

Listen to us bevidge FFS!

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Stubborn as a bulldog

 

[dogwatch]

I understand the angst but seriously we don't need yet another Bevo thread. We already have 100 or more.

 

[Yojimbo]

I understand the angst but seriously we don't need yet another Bevo thread. We already have 100 or more.

I think they are angry because you gave Bontempelli "Ching" votes tonight DW.

 

[go you pups]

I think they are angry because you gave Bontempelli "Ching" votes tonight DW.

To be honest, he wasn't our worst player, but yet again didn't stand up when the tide was against us, like the Collingwood last quarter

Daniel will win our BnF by a country mile if the coaches vote properly

 

[the dog's kennel]

Seriously after round 2 I thought we had turned a corner, we were winning our own footy, we had tall forwards who were hitting the scoreboard, we were controlling games and it looked like we had structure

Now we've fallen back into bad habits and the team is a mess

STOP PLAYING THIS STUPID SMALLER SETUP, IT IS NOT 2015 ANYMORE FFS, YOUR CAPTAIN IS NOT A KEY DEFENDER, USE HIM IN HIS PROPER MEDIUM ROLE OR DON'T PLAY HIM ANYMORE. YOUR BEST REBOUNDER IS 5 FOOT ******* 5, PROTECT HIM FFS, SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING HIM OUTMARKED EVERY WEEK COUGHING UP GOALS AD NAUSEAM BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY GUY WHO READS THE GAME BEHIND THE BALL THESE DAYS

Start playing whatever talls you have for structures sake and stop playing guys who butcher the bloody ball every week. Tom Boyd is not a ruckman, Josh Schache is not a ruckman, play them forward. Aaron Naughton might end up being a forward, but we are horrendously exposed down back in this 666 system, if you're not going to play Roberts or Lewis Young, then play Naughton down back FFS and sure us up...

Lachie Hunter and Mitch Wallis you are both killing us with your turnovers and poor decision making/footskills, the game has gone past you both currently. Reinvent yourselves and become useful or otherwise you are no longer required in my eyes. Ed Richards or Toby McLean should be our wingmen if Hunter is not up to it, Wallis is keeping kids like Lipinski out, these kids are very capable imo, McLean in particular, use them in more important roles please.

Bevo, start using Josh Dunkley in the middle FFS, he's not a key forward, you have too many skinny midfielders/flanker/rebounder types, we have been bullied in the middle the last two weeks by bigger mids, put your biggest body who's capable of playing there in there so we can give ourselves a chance to hold our own, we are disadvantaged every week in the middle by English who's not physically ready as yet and is easily beaten by most rucks in the comp.

Your coaching staff are stuck in the past like yourself Bevo too, there's no more third man up, there's 666 in place, we are getting monstered by bigger, better one on one players with these new rules in place, what worked for us in 2015-16 does not work anymore, we can't zone off anymore, we have to play solid, direct, accountable football like what the Cats and Pies are currently doing (imo they're the best 2 sides in the comp currently), why is it too hard to understand this? Your coaching group needs to be moved on Bevo, they've taken us as far as they can go, move them on or otherwise you'll have to be moved on yourself imo. They should've been gutted after 2017, alas they weren't. We need a Hardwickesque coaching staff rebuild, like what Richmond did with him after 2016, simple as that. No yes men either.

Get your shit together Bevo, please, otherwise what is to gain this season, the number one draft pick? **** that, I want to win. We pissed away a chance of winning tonight through the usual circumstances either side of three quarter time, something simply has to give.

I might be misunderstanding you GYP but what you are describing sounds difficult with our current list, or at least if it's possible it would create a few other problems (like for example it sounds like you want to reduce the depth and pace of our already slow midfield, and you want to pick players who are in terrible form). Can you please write the team in their positions that you think Bevo should pick next week, and we can respond about whether we think it's any better?

 

[go you pups]

I might be misunderstanding you GYP but what you are describing sounds difficult with our current list, or at least if it's possible it would create a few other problems (like for example it sounds like you want to reduce the depth and pace of our already slow midfield, and you want to pick players who are in terrible form). Can you please write the team in their positions that you think Bevo should pick next week, and we can respond about whether we think it's any better?

Lol

We have enough to work with on our list, that sounds very defeatist of you imo, it's the coaching and team selection that has to significantly change to adapt to 666, we cannot play small anymore, we are getting murdered in the air every week and bigger bodies are hurting us in the guts, we need our best midfielders in the middle all the time and I'd like it if one of them shut down a damaging mid. Why was Libba and Macrae pushed out of the guts last week for example and get moved to half forward, yet you see Gowers and Bailey Smith in there when the tide is against us? It's just baffling.

I'd like a better tap ruckman than English, but he will be persisted with all year, so no point there until Sweet challenges him for a spot


Specifically, if Roberts and Lewis Young are redundant

FB: Cordy
CHB: Naughton
Third defender: Wood or Lachie Young, can't play both
Interceptor: Crozier
Rebounders: JJ and Daniel, Suckling on the bench. Preferably have Suckling under the high ball compared to Daniel if it needs to be defended. Daniel playing deep in defence exposes him as smart ball users will look for a teammate opposed to him for a mismatch, he needs to be our high defender for distribution and kept away from the high ball where he's a liability only due to his size, not his ability.

Midfield
Rucks English, Libba, Dunkley and 1 of Bont or Macrae. Macrae and Bont are good enough to sit on a wing when not in the middle

Wingmen: Richards or McLean or both, I want Hunter to be replaced out there as quickly as possible, he is an absolute crab who kills us in possession of the ball, he's not decisive enough and has too many clangers in him. He has been used as a tagger once or twice before and done it well (killed Jack Steven one day), perhaps giving him a run with role will waken him up and start providing decent value to the team again. He can play high half back, but we have too many on our list suited for that, he also would be a liability by foot, so that's a no from me. Can get play as a small forward again? Maybe, but feel the run with role is best suited for him.

Forwards

FF: Boyd (occasional chop outs for English, but no more than 20%)
CHF: Schache
Third forward: Greene (liked what I saw from him last year, he hits up)
Supporting cast: Dickson (until he's really cooked), Lloyd, Lipinski, maybe Cavarra when fit/ready. Bailey Dale could add value here too if he ever gets fit again

Bevos versatility mantra can **** off too, it's been done to death and is killing certain players effectiveness, it's like Macca all over again in ways with his negative game style, focusing on defending first rather than letting players natural game flourish. Just let players play positions they're best suited for, only a certain number should change roles in game like Boyd chopping out English for a breather, or Bont sitting forward for 5 minutes when we have Dunks/Libba and Macrae in the middle or need a target forward for a few minutes when a forward is having a rest



Wallis is past it for mine, give a kid a go like Lipinski. Gowers is making too many mistakes lately, needs a spell. Bevos versatility is making Richards to be ineffective, kid gets thrown forward and back ad nauseam, look at Daniel play consistent footy with a set role down back, Richards imo would benefit from a set role too. Maybe give him a few weeks in the VFL in midfield/on a wing, then bring him back and leave him there on a wing.

Bailey Smith probably midfield depth/bench type. Why is Bailey Williams constantly in and out of the side? He was a highlight last season at both ends of the field, the kid can play, give him a set role to stick to.

Guys like Hayes and Duryea play when we have injuries, same with Jong and Trengove.

We have a base of players, they are simply not coached/directed well enough for mine currently.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I guess this could live in any of the 346 ridiculous Bev threads...

Do you seriously think footy is so simple? Do you seriously think that doing all this will magically turn things around and we will skip happily into the sunshine? Do you seriously think that you know more about our team than Bevo? Do you seriously think you have enough Intel to say selections are wrong? Do you seriously think you can accurately discuss structures and set ups having watched a game on TV? Do you seriously think that you, on your own, is way more infinite in your footy wisdom than a bloke who played the game at the top level, coached a local threepeat progressing divisions with each flag, won coaches as an assistant, coached under the guru in Clarko, won a flag in his second year of coach and is surrounded by assistants, analysts, experts, doctors specialists and scientists?

If you do, it probably says more about you than Bevo.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I guess this could live in any of the 346 ridiculous Bev threads...

Do you seriously think footy is so simple? Do you seriously think that doing all this will magically turn things around and we will skip happily into the sunshine? Do you seriously think that you know more about our team than Bevo? Do you seriously think you have enough Intel to say selections are wrong? Do you seriously think you can accurately discuss structures and set ups having watched a game on TV? Do you seriously think that you, on your own, is way more infinite in your footy wisdom than a bloke who played the game at the top level, coached a local threepeat progressing divisions with each flag, won coaches as an assistant, coached under the guru in Clarko, won a flag in his second year of coach and is surrounded by assistants, analysts, experts, doctors specialists and scientists?

If you do, it probably says more about you than Bevo.

But, can you feel the angst? Can you feel the anger?

We all follow the team closely? We can see the basic skill errors, we can see us being outmuscled by tall forwards, by opposition midfielders and not being able to take marks up forward.

Of course the game is complex, but we see other sides and the way they play and like 2016 we ask 'why not us?'.

Things have to change because if we continue on our current path we're going nowhere fast.

 

[BRWB]

I guess this could live in any of the 346 ridiculous Bev threads...

Do you seriously think footy is so simple? Do you seriously think that doing all this will magically turn things around and we will skip happily into the sunshine? Do you seriously think that you know more about our team than Bevo? Do you seriously think you have enough Intel to say selections are wrong? Do you seriously think you can accurately discuss structures and set ups having watched a game on TV? Do you seriously think that you, on your own, is way more infinite in your footy wisdom than a bloke who played the game at the top level, coached a local threepeat progressing divisions with each flag, won coaches as an assistant, coached under the guru in Clarko, won a flag in his second year of coach and is surrounded by assistants, analysts, experts, doctors specialists and scientists?

If you do, it probably says more about you than Bevo.

As you like to say, clearly you are looking at it all wrong.

Because if you were right we probably should just shut the forum down and discuss things with sheep like obedience to whomever is in charge.

Understand this - coaches get it wrong plenty. Ask all the sacked ones.

Posts like yours say far more about your intolerance for alternative views than anything else.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I'm not saying don't discuss it and I'm not referring to those who are questioning. I'm talking about those who are demanding and accusing. I think they are doing it blindly.

 

[BRWB]

I'm not saying don't discuss it and I'm not referring to those who are questioning. I'm talking about those who are demanding and accusing. I think they are doing it blindly.

Mate I enjoy most of your posts but re read your own post and tell me it doesn't belittle people with alternative views to the current administration. That may not be your intent but the clear read is 'you are a tv watching nuffy who is not qualified to have an opinion'.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I'm not saying don't discuss it and I'm not referring to those who are questioning. I'm talking about those who are demanding and accusing. I think they are doing it blindly.

I get your point, but what our coaches seem to doing is trying to reinvent the wheel when at the stage we're at, we just need to work on and get the basics right.

 

[Dogsbestfriend]

I guess this could live in any of the 346 ridiculous Bev threads...

Do you seriously think footy is so simple? Do you seriously think that doing all this will magically turn things around and we will skip happily into the sunshine? Do you seriously think that you know more about our team than Bevo? Do you seriously think you have enough Intel to say selections are wrong? Do you seriously think you can accurately discuss structures and set ups having watched a game on TV? Do you seriously think that you, on your own, is way more infinite in your footy wisdom than a bloke who played the game at the top level, coached a local threepeat progressing divisions with each flag, won coaches as an assistant, coached under the guru in Clarko, won a flag in his second year of coach and is surrounded by assistants, analysts, experts, doctors specialists and scientists?

If you do, it probably says more about you than Bevo.

You do realise that after we won the flag we have not made finals for 2 years and are currently sitting 2 and 4 with Richmond Brisbane (in form ) and Geelong to play in the next three weeks ?

I’m a Bevo fan because of what you pointed out and we are really not that far away but he has to make serious changes because we are just not getting the wins we should be.

Last night we played some good footy against a very good side and over on their dung heap but it was the usual suspects that cost us 2 or 3 goals each directly from their turnovers or poor defensive play.

Is Bevo going to make a statement and dropping names such as Hunter Wallis and JJ ?

Now before you all come at me yes I know Hunter is our B&F but that just tells me that our coaches are lazy and blinded by his high possession numbers just like last night where he got 32 and will most probably be named in the best when he was putrid in my eyes and cost us a few goals in clutch moments that can seriously mean the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Dogs Rule]

You do realise that after we won the flag we have not made finals for 2 years and are currently sitting 2 and 4 with Richmond Brisbane (in form ) and Geelong to play in the next three weeks ?

I’m a Bevo fan because of what you pointed out and we are really not that far away but he has to make serious changes because we are just not getting the wins we should be.

Last night we played some good footy against a very good side and over on their dung heap but it was the usual suspects that cost us 2 or 3 goals each directly from their turnovers or poor defensive play.

Now is Bevo going to make a statement and dropping names such as Hunter Wallis and JJ.

Now before you all come at me yes I know Hunter is our B&F but that just tells me that our coaches are lazy and blinded by his high possession numbers just like last night where he got 32 and will most probably be named in the best when he was putrid in my eyes and cost us a few goals in clutch moments that can seriously mean the difference between winning and losing.

Add Libba and JJ to that list. Horrible turnovers and brain farts that cost goals.

 

[Dogsbestfriend]

Y

Add Libba and JJ to that list. Horrible turnovers and brain farts that cost goals.

Yes I added JJ but in relation to Libbas turnover that cost us a goal it was actually HUNTER that hanballed to him putting him under pressure on defensive 50 yet another poor decision by him.

Libba doesn’t usually make poor decisions and turn it over every week.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Mate I enjoy most of your posts but re read your own post and tell me it doesn't belittle people with alternative views to the current administration. That may not be your intent but the clear read is 'you are a tv watching nuffy who is not qualified to have an opinion'.

I believe it will belittle the opinion of those that post things like "**** Bev, he has no idea". It shouldn't have that affect on people that simply have an alternate view - I apologise if it does.

I question moves... I tried to get my head around why Trengove wasn't selected last week too, but I accept there's more in play than what I'm privy to.

Some people think it is their right as a supporter to tell Bev he's wrong and that he can get ****ed, that would then give me the right to defend him and tell them the same... with a few less expletives.

 

[Yojimbo]

5 and 1, Now that would be fun.
4 and 2, Now that would do.
3 and 3, The worst we should be.
2 and 4, What the ******* hell is wrong you useless *****.
1 and 5, Reserved for North fans.

Look it's a long year, we have lost a few I pencilled in, but as it says on Ben Cousins stomach
"Such is life" onwards and upwards.

 

[Triple Baileys]

Listen to us bevidge FFS!

YEAH, BEVIGE!!!

 

[Whoyagot]

Bevo himself identifies the biggest problem with the side is the connection forward of centre yet continues playing Wallis and Dunkley in favour of better users in Lipinski and Lynch. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, Wallis and Dunkley should only be playing if Bont, Macrae or Libba get injured. Their skills are simply not AFL standard. They might be good at winning a hard ball but offer nothing else in their game and do not fix the problem we’ve been trying to fix for the last three years.

 

[go you pups]

You do realise that after we won the flag we have not made finals for 2 years and are currently sitting 2 and 4 with Richmond Brisbane (in form ) and Geelong to play in the next three weeks ?

I’m a Bevo fan because of what you pointed out and we are really not that far away but he has to make serious changes because we are just not getting the wins we should be.

Last night we played some good footy against a very good side and over on their dung heap but it was the usual suspects that cost us 2 or 3 goals each directly from their turnovers or poor defensive play.

Is Bevo going to make a statement and dropping names such as Hunter Wallis and JJ ?

Now before you all come at me yes I know Hunter is our B&F but that just tells me that our coaches are lazy and blinded by his high possession numbers just like last night where he got 32 and will most probably be named in the best when he was putrid in my eyes and cost us a few goals in clutch moments that can seriously mean the difference between winning and losing.

Exactly this

 

[go you pups]

Bevo himself identifies the biggest problem with the side is the connection forward of centre yet continues playing Wallis and Dunkley in favour of better users in Lipinski and Lynch. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, Wallis and Dunkley should only be playing if Bont, Macrae or Libba get injured. Their skills are simply not AFL standard. They might be good at winning a hard ball but offer nothing else in their game and do not fix the problem we’ve been trying to fix for the last three years.

I'm fine with Dunkley in the guts shoveling it out, but agree

Lipinski in particular not getting a crack yet this year is baffling, he's a smart footballer in a similar mould to McLean imo. Throw him in and see what he can do.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Bevo himself identifies the biggest problem with the side is the connection forward of centre yet continues playing Wallis and Dunkley in favour of better users in Lipinski and Lynch. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, Wallis and Dunkley should only be playing if Bont, Macrae or Libba get injured. Their skills are simply not AFL standard. They might be good at winning a hard ball but offer nothing else in their game and do not fix the problem we’ve been trying to fix for the last three years.

we overload the team with mids, because thats bevos style. thats how we beat teams/ control the contests.

we lose mids and replace them with others, we might lose our edge

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Bevo himself identifies the biggest problem with the side is the connection forward of centre yet continues playing Wallis and Dunkley in favour of better users in Lipinski and Lynch. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, Wallis and Dunkley should only be playing if Bont, Macrae or Libba get injured. Their skills are simply not AFL standard. They might be good at winning a hard ball but offer nothing else in their game and do not fix the problem we’ve been trying to fix for the last three years.

We actually looked really good at times through the middle last night but are just too slow with the last disposal simply because we no one over 192cm up there at all. So all our shots were from 40 m plus and/ or from acute angles. Playing mid sized guys like Gowers and Dickson when we have 198cm Schache and 197cm Lewy Young baffles me.

Similarly in defence Lachie Young in Hogan and Taverner when we have taller defensive options puts all our defenders under pressure against the high ball. Every week we get massively out marked which means our kicking and hand balling similarly comes under pressure.

Our poor disposal and deficient marking are not mutually exclusive factors.