They've left Bendigo well and truly behindThe investment that the City of Ballarat puts into its facilities is incredible
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They've left Bendigo well and truly behindThe investment that the City of Ballarat puts into its facilities is incredible
Huge if true. Sunbury will replace them though. Always do.Have just seen on St Albans facebook page that they have recruited David Kovacevic,Tom Donoghue,Ben Said and Adam Short massive loses for Sunbury
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There were about ten Roosters seniors who were out of contract at the end of this year, so it is prbable that they will look to other clubs. If the Roosters are to have a go at re-entering the VFL from 2019, they will be looking to retain a core group of players which may well find their way into the North City list throughout 2018. The Roosters are still talking of maintaining club memberships in 2018 although what that entitles members to is going to be interesting, perhaps the $70 membership will grant free access to all North City home games plus the normal array of club benefits.Matt Johnston is the first of the Roosters players to sign to a Ballarat FNL club, signed with EastPoint. I think he's an ex-North Ballarat junior, wonder how that went over at North? I'm surprised he's the only player so far to be announced, must be plenty that have signed, but not yet gone public. Anyone hearing talk of other Roosters on the move? Nothing lodged on the BFNL website clearances list.
Also on movements, Sunbury recruiters have some work in front of them to replace the four going to St Albans, wonder if the there might be a few fringe Essendon VFL players nominating Sunbury as their home club, now that Dan Jordan has been named as the VFL coach.
Nick Peters is a huge loss to Lakers, class player, was easily in the leagues top-5 best players, very hard to replace.
Surely if the Roosters don't have a VFL licence all players contract are void?There were about ten Roosters seniors who were out of contract at the end of this year, so it is prbable that they will look to other clubs. If the Roosters are to have a go at re-entering the VFL from 2019, they will be looking to retain a core group of players which may well find their way into the North City list throughout 2018. The Roosters are still talking of maintaining club memberships in 2018 although what that entitles members to is going to be interesting, perhaps the $70 membership will grant free access to all North City home games plus the normal array of club benefits.
Not sure how the fine print would read in the contracts but I imagine that you are quite right and the Roosters would be obligated to release all players from their contracts. It will make signing on new players very interesting for 2019 if they are to re-enter. At least they'd be starting with a clean sheet and it will offer a great opportunity for local BFNL and CHFL players to potentially step up into the VFL. That said, if the VFL were to re-admit them in 2019, then a decision to that effect would be made by at least July 2018 and allow the Roosters enough time to start signing on new players and coaching staff. I am of the understanding that money isn't the issue as the club's finances are actually pretty good compared with where they were at this time last year. Their issues still relate to governance and relationships within the club. Time will tell.Surely if the Roosters don't have a VFL licence all players contract are void?
They are not getting back into VFL anytime soon.Not sure how the fine print would read in the contracts but I imagine that you are quite right and the Roosters would be obligated to release all players from their contracts. It will make signing on new players very interesting for 2019 if they are to re-enter. At least they'd be starting with a clean sheet and it will offer a great opportunity for local BFNL and CHFL players to potentially step up into the VFL. That said, if the VFL were to re-admit them in 2019, then a decision to that effect would be made by at least July 2018 and allow the Roosters enough time to start signing on new players and coaching staff. I am of the understanding that money isn't the issue as the club's finances are actually pretty good compared with where they were at this time last year. Their issues still relate to governance and relationships within the club. Time will tell.
If Ballarat get a VFL team license back then it will have no north Ballarat roosters involvement whatsoever. City of Ballarat and AFL Goldfields will hold the license and appoint people to run the club. New name,new colours a whole new beginning.Not sure how the fine print would read in the contracts but I imagine that you are quite right and the Roosters would be obligated to release all players from their contracts. It will make signing on new players very interesting for 2019 if they are to re-enter. At least they'd be starting with a clean sheet and it will offer a great opportunity for local BFNL and CHFL players to potentially step up into the VFL. That said, if the VFL were to re-admit them in 2019, then a decision to that effect would be made by at least July 2018 and allow the Roosters enough time to start signing on new players and coaching staff. I am of the understanding that money isn't the issue as the club's finances are actually pretty good compared with where they were at this time last year. Their issues still relate to governance and relationships within the club. Time will tell.
I can't see that. Even on the off chance that the Roosters re-entered the VFL, then it wouldn't be under the North Ballarat brand, that's a given! Funding would be critical, and also having a base. Would an AFL Goldfields team be supported by the Ballarat Leagues Club or the North Ballarat Sports Club. Would the new team use the Eastern, City or Northern Oval as its base? The Club President of North Ballarat maintains that if North Ballarat are given their marching orders from the North Ballarat Sports Club, that legally the Ballarat Council are obligated to fund the construction of a similar venue (clubrooms and social facilities for its cricket, netball and football teams) at a new location, under the Compulsory Land Acquisition Act.If Ballarat get a VFL team license back then it will have no north Ballarat roosters involvement whatsoever. City of Ballarat and AFL Goldfields will hold the license and appoint people to run the club. New name,new colours a whole new beginning.
I can't see that. Even on the off chance that the Roosters re-entered the VFL, then it wouldn't be under the North Ballarat brand, that's a given! Funding would be critical, and also having a base. Would an AFL Goldfields team be supported by the Ballarat Leagues Club or the North Ballarat Sports Club. Would the new team use the Eastern, City or Northern Oval as its base? The Club President of North Ballarat maintains that if North Ballarat are given their marching orders from the North Ballarat Sports Club, that legally the Ballarat Council are obligated to fund the construction of a similar venue (clubrooms and social facilities for its cricket, netball and football teams) at a new location, under the Compulsory Land Acquisition Act.
It's all speculation. I think that the horse has bolted. The VFL have gotten what they wanted. North Ballarat and the last regional Victorian team gone. Channel 7 weren't interested in broadcasting any Ballarat games, the VFL is now effectively an AFL Reserves competition with a few hold out stand-alone metro teams making up the numbers. I really can't see an AFL Goldfields team having any more chance or traction than what the Roosters had.
Ooo yeah, not a truer word has been said. All things said and done, if the North Ballarat Sports Club and all of its teams are forced to move or be relocated, I can't see why a new pavilion can't be built on the Western side of Northern Oval No 2? I mean the ground already has lights and has been built to AFL playing standard. Surely they can share it for training with what ever team occupied the Mars Stadium.There's lots more to play out here over summer!
Interesting comment in today's Courier attributed to Western Bulldogs President Peter Gordon:
It reads:
"He also flagged that the Bulldogs want to assist in bringing new Ballarat based footy clubs into the VFL and the VFLW to replace the North Ballarat Roosters. “The vision of what footy in Ballarat can be is extraordinary,” Mr Gordon said.
I think its pretty clear that the Roosters are done!
What is not so clear to us watching this train wreck unfold, is what or who has engineered the wreck? The Ballarat Council? AFL Goldfields? Western Bulldogs? North Ballarat City members or perhaps all four!
I wonder how long it will be before we hear that the Bulldogs have signed a lease for the sports club facility?
There's already talk of North City looking to buy land in Invermay.
There's lots more to play out here over summer!
I think that John Nevett and his Board have got to take a lot of credit for the damage done. The players and coaching staff were kept completely uninformed through the 2017 season. They made Marg Richards's (their Operations Manager of 20 years) position untenable in early 2017. They closed ranks to block out Peter Wilson (the one man who could have saved them) from becoming Club President. It's only now that they have woken up to themselves, but it is too late. I really don't think that John Nevett honestly thought that the VFL would boot them. He is genuinely shocked, but it was the wake up call that, that board needed.There is only one architect of the demise of North Ballarat as a VFL club Doc. Don't take my word for it, ask some of the former North board members who quit in disgust about a year ago
The following link might reinforce what you are saying: https://www.realcommercial.com.au/property-land+development-vic-invermay+park-502426382I think its pretty clear that the Roosters are done!
There's already talk of North City looking to buy land in Invermay.
I think that Peter Nevett and his Board have got to take a lot of credit for the damage done. The players and coaching staff were kept completely uninformed through the 2017 season. They made Marg Richards's (their Operations Manager of 20 years) position untenable in early 2017. They closed ranks to block out Peter Wilson (the one man who could have saved them) from becoming Club President. It's only now that they have woken up to themselves, but it is too late. I really don't think that Peter Nevett honestly thought that the VFL would boot them. He is genuinely shocked, but it was the wake up call that, that board needed.
By late 2016 there was a genuine air of arrogance around the club that Mars Stadium was being built for them, that it wouldn't be built beyond it's first stage because they believed that the Western Bulldogs would only end up playing a couple of seasons in Ballarat and that the Roosters would ultimately inherit the new and upgraded facilities by default. Because they owned the Sports Club they believed that they could name the terms for hiring their facilities on AFL game days and for other major events and tried to put the Ballarat Council and the AFL over a barrel.
Well they came a "cropper"! They did not foresee that the Ballarat Council might actually pull the rug from under them and compulsorily acquire their clubhouse, carparks and land. They totally underestimated the Ballarat Council and other key stakeholders and their desire to make the Western Bulldogs alliance work. The Western Bulldogs had lined up their ducks and had done their ground work.
The Roosters should have seen the writing on the wall when they were forced into separation from North Melbourne and forced to become a stand-alone VFL team (at the Western Bulldogs hands and the Ballarat Council delivering the final coup d'état with their withdrawal of financial sponsorship support for the North Melbourne Football Club). The Roosters must have known then that they had no friends in the Council and few within the wider Ballarat football community.
The following link might reinforce what you are saying: https://www.realcommercial.com.au/property-land+development-vic-invermay+park-502426382
The Courier reported recently that the Midlands Golf Club were looking to unload a large parcel of land. This might be feasible as the North Ballarat Sports Club have $5.5 million from the seizure of their club facilities. $5.5 million will go a long way to building two new ovals, four light towers and a new sports club pavilion. Their gaming machine revenue would cover any additional expenses over time. That would leave the Council in a real hole with what to do with a completely empty North Ballarat Sports Club at Mars Stadium? That building is huge and would take a lot to fill it.
I think that Peter Nevett and his Board have got to take a lot of credit for the damage done. The players and coaching staff were kept completely uninformed through the 2017 season. They made Marg Richards's (their Operations Manager of 20 years) position untenable in early 2017. They closed ranks to block out Peter Wilson (the one man who could have saved them) from becoming Club President. It's only now that they have woken up to themselves, but it is too late. I really don't think that Peter Nevett honestly thought that the VFL would boot them. He is genuinely shocked, but it was the wake up call that, that board needed.
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John Nevett surely can't be blamed for them getting booted out of the VFL, that decision was likely made by AFL Vic in 2016 around the time North were struggling to pay their players. Their financial situation obviously went down hill quickly after trying to go stand-alone in the VFL, having to recruit and pay players big money to be competitive with the AFL aligned teams. To attribute blame, I'd be looking closely at the management and board in-place during the transition from AFL aligned to stand-alone.
I don't see why they would spend a large portion of that money $5.5m, on a sports oval? If they move away from their current location they wont be able to take their pokies with them as I'm pretty sure the council wont issue Pokies licenses outside of the CBD (for new venues). So they would end up with an oval at Invermay and perhaps have to buy an existing pokies venue in the Ballarat CBD?
[/QUOTE]While we've differing views on North overall, sadly you're 100% on the money here.Some good points.
You mean John Nevett though.
To be fair, the white ants had been in the house long before he was given the job. The Nth City crew have worked long and hard for the moment in the sun and they finally have their crowning glory. He is a novice, demonstrated by his embarrassing media performance following the VFL expulsion. He is fathoms out his depth.
North have known for a long time that they have no friends anywhere in Ballarat, but there is a big difference between having no friends and having enemies. They've made a lot of enemies over the last couple of years.
Also, you might find that they already own land in Invermay.
[/QUOTE]Some good points.
You mean John Nevett though.
To be fair, the white ants had been in the house long before he was given the job. The Nth City crew have worked long and hard for the moment in the sun and they finally have their crowning glory. He is a novice, demonstrated by his embarrassing media performance following the VFL expulsion. He is fathoms out his depth.
North have known for a long time that they have no friends anywhere in Ballarat, but there is a big difference between having no friends and having enemies. They've made a lot of enemies over the last couple of years.
Also, you might find that they already own land in Invermay.
I just think having everyone on the same points, whatever that may be, is the better option. It still stops clubs bringing in a heap of new players every year.Just thought its worth talking about player points……
Bendigo and District Leagues have had their 2018 player points allocated as follows
Bendigo Advertiser……”One of the focuses of the panels determining the point allocations for each league was to take a tiered approach.”
“The Bendigo (38, 43, 46), Heathcote District (40, 43, 46) and Loddon Valley (40, 46, 48) leagues each have three tiers of point allocations, while North Central (40, 43) has two.”
Can’t help but think this method has its advantages over the Ballarat FNL system. Going by this method the teams with a flag in the past 3-years might be on 38-points. Then have a middle tier on 44 that have not won a flag for 5+ years then a 3rd tier that is for those without a flag for 15+ years on 48.
I know its not the Melbourne cup but at least the points system can be policed, not like the salary cap!