Biggest trading/drafting stuffups

[Moo]

If that's for real then all it does is confirm your club as the worst drafters in history. Still, it doesn't make much sense in the way your terming it. If they were that confident of getting their man at #4, then why wouldn't Freo just get the pick of mids with their first selection anyway and then let Polak fall as anticipated?

We are actually reasonable drafters - terrible traders. Our drafting record is pretty good when we keep picks - 2001 was just not one of our better efforts.

Polak was well regarded at the time - only need to see the WC fans reaction when Polak was turned over for the kid with dodgy shoulders.

Why didn't we take our choice of mids? I think the answer is we got Croad, took Polak and traded for McPharlin ....what do you think the club perceived as their weakness? mids or KP's?

The draft is still a lottery - I was happy to get Polak, a very talented kid ...but that is the danger with KP's the drafting road is strewn with failed KP's of promise. Polak was always going to go top 4 ....my guess is the club was happy with the talent there and if Polly dropped great - if not they take one of the mids.

 

[sabre_ac]

Considering we had the opportunity to take McPharlin for nothing, pick 1 should never have been on the table.

Looking at the stat's two promising talls for the first draft pick is reasonable...However things change when you consider this

1. It was expected to be the strongest draft to date
2. McPharlin was still very much an unknown and Croad was still more athlete than footballer.

As a freo support I can sugar coat it...We were committed to Polak at number 1 and in all likeliehood Sampi at pick 4...So we walked away better than we could have.

The Polak point is a non issue, looking back is a very nice luxury no one has...A young Polak in the system today would go very highly, KPP with exceptional marking ability are rare...Sampi too would go high considering his raw ability...

I can't for the life of me understanding how Tigers could have thought Fiora > Pavlich and Tambling > Franklin.

 

[QuietB]

I cant agree that the #1 pick for Croad and McFarlin was a bad deal. It was actually an ok deal. Lets remember the draft in 2001 was not what it is now. There were still plenty of complete spud high draft picks leading up to that draft. McPharlin is a V good player and Croad is too - particularly at CHB. Maybe you could argue why a club would trade the #1 pick for 2 CHB's but Croad was not a CHB then. With regard to Mitchell, the hawks reportedly barely convinced themselves into drafting him and that was after he had played for Box Hill and won the VFL B&F.

The trade looks worse because 1/ Croad didn't work at Freo and was traded back, and 2/ Sam Mitchell turned out to be a very very very good player.

Richmond and Freo would be very prominant on this list for other deals though.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Obviously Ottens for Meyer and Pattison is my personal favourite

Also anything involving Fremantle (Croad twice being the first one coming to mind)

But nothing will ever, ever, beat Stephen O'Reilly...an absolute spud, and getting locked out of the draft as a privilege

 

[Mr Rude]

I found some of Freo's finest work here floating in cyber space the other day.

The list:

1994:
Traded the rights to Darryl Wakelin for draft pick 42
Traded draft pick 4 (Scott Lucas) for Tony Delanay
Traded Jeff Farmer for Phil Gilbert
Traded Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom
Traded Chad Morrison for Brendan Krummell
Traded Glenn Freeborn for the rights to Troy Polak
Traded Scott Watters for the rights to Matthew Nicks

1995:
Traded Phil Matera for David Hynes
Todd Ridley traded to Freo, Essendon use draft pick to select Matthew Lloyd
Stephen O'Rilley traded to Freo, Geelong use draft pick to select Steven King
Traded David Wirrapanda for Tony Godden

1997:
Traded draft pick 5 (Luke Power) for Adrian Fletcher
Traded Winston Abraham for Stuart Anderson
Recieve draft pick 2 for Jeff White
Traded draft pick 2 (Brad Ottens) for Chris Bond

1998:
Traded draft pick 29 (Tyson Stenglein) for Tony Modra

1999:
Traded draft pick 19 (Brad Green) for Troy Longmuir

2000:
Traded draft pick 52 (Amon Buchanon) for Dwayne Simpson
Traded James Clement and Brodie Holland to Collingwood for draft pick 39 (Adam McPhee)

2001:
Traded draft pick 1 (Luke Hodge) draft pick 20 and draft pick 36 (Sam Mitchell) for Trent Croad and Luke McPharlin

2003:
Traded Trent Croad back to Hawthorn for draft pick 10 (Ryley Dunn)

Some others of note:

Traded back for Peter Bell after delisting him.
Traded back for Jeff Farmer, Melbourne get Clint Bizzell and Geelong gets draft pick 17 (James Kelly)
Traded Paul Medhurst and draft pick 8 (Nathan Brown) for Chris Tarrant.

 

[BOND 007]

Actually the point of the thread was not to individualize a particular draft choice or a trade, but to look at a club's effort for the whole trade/draft.

Of the 2 examples I mentioned in the OP, I chose the Kanga's as the worst as basically everything they did turned out a wrong decision in hindsight (with the exception of Swallow).

Can anybody advise of another situation where a club basically f**ked up their WHOLE draft / trade period ?

 

[JungleMuffin]

Pretty sure it wasnt #1 for Croad + McPharlin.

From memory, we threw in a pick 20ish, to get McPharlin.

 

[Philhawk]

Context is important. If a club is able to be successful despite a 'stuff-up', then it lessens it alot. Classic example is Selwood and Thorp. Huge stuff-up, but the fact that we were able to win a flag lessens it alot.

Until Richmond do something, they'll forever be haunted by Buddy/Tambling.

 

[JungleMuffin]

You have to decide where you sit before you comment...

In terms of the Tarrant/Croad/Headland/J Carr deal's either evaluate them on the draft picks we traded for them OR the players subsequently picked up.

As far as actual value of the draft picks goes...Who we would have taken with that draft pick is up for debate and not necessarily the who was actually taken. However in terms of pure value of the pick number I think we overpaid to some degree in all instances...That said...One look at who the Pies and Port picked up with those draft picks highlights how much of a gamble the whole drafting system is.

Croad deal was an out and out blunder, no doubt about it..Pick 1 should never have been on the table...Hawks good drafting with Mitchell was completely out of our control

J Carr in terms of pick value we overpaid...The fact the power squandered those pick's helps a littler but...But for a slow poor kicking tagger, way too high a price..

Headland was a game breaker we needed, fact he never carried that on at Freo is disapointing but doesn't detract away from why we chased him initially...As far as what we paid I think it was fair.

Tarrant for the draft picks we overpaid after year 1...Currently its certainly evening up.

Overall I wouldn't say our recent track record isn't as bad people make out, draft is allot about chance...Had we kept our picks and drafted well..who knows...

Tambling over Franklin
Fiora over Pavlich

Is allot worse

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Actually the point of the thread was not to individualize a particular draft choice or a trade, but to look at a club's effort for the whole trade/draft.

Actually though, i think this: 1998:
Traded draft pick 29 (Tyson Stenglein) for Tony Modra

is acceptable.

 

[halfback dasher]

Mate, this thread is owned by Fremantle. 1st 2nd and 3rd.

The Des headland deal?
The Chris Tarrant deal?
The Trent Croad deal?
The Andrew McCloud deal?

Somewhere along the line weve managed to Get David Hynes for a 1st rounder? Brendan Fewster for fk knows what.... i mean, seriously, it just doesnt end.

We managed to throw away Jimmy Clement, Peter Bell, Jess Sinclair + god knows how many other pics and players.

In every facet of list management, we have b0rked ourselves over so badly, its beyond belief. Awesomeness Personified.

CHRIST...you even have ME feel,n sorry for ya Bro.......you ok...??

 

[4n20]

I found some of Freo's finest work here floating in cyber space the other day.

The list:

1994:
Traded the rights to Darryl Wakelin for draft pick 42
Traded draft pick 4 (Scott Lucas) for Tony Delanay
Traded Jeff Farmer for Phil Gilbert
Traded Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom
Traded Chad Morrison for Brendan Krummell
Traded Glenn Freeborn for the rights to Troy Polak
Traded pick 21 (Matthew Nicks) for Scott Watters (fixed it for ya)

1995:
Traded Phil Matera for David Hynes (I think we coughed up pick 3 as well)
Todd Ridley traded to Freo, Essendon use draft pick to select Matthew Lloyd
Stephen O'Rilley traded to Freo, Geelong use draft pick to select Steven King
Traded David Wirrapanda for Tony Godden

The ones in red were compensatory picks where the other club could pick a 16 year old for losing an uncontracted player. Freo never had access to those players (well, not those years anyway..could have picked them up the following year in the ND). Its still a diabolical record though.


I did a uni website assignment on Freo and included its trading and drafting history...needed to take anti-depressants at the end of the research.

 

[Demon 16]

Wouldnt make the top 10 but Carlton offering up pick 11 for McLean when Ball was available for pick 33 a week later is pretty funny..

Also Brisbane offering up pick 14 (Jack Grimes) for Travis Johntone was a failure.

 

[Monkey King]

Wouldnt make the top 10 but Carlton offering up pick 11 for McLean when Ball was available for pick 33 a week later is pretty funny...

Did I miss something... when was Ball ever on offer for pick 33

McLean still stings a bit I guess, but that's no excuse for posting utter tripe.

 

[Demon 16]

Did I miss something... when was Ball ever on offer for pick 33

McLean still stings a bit I guess, but that's no excuse for posting utter tripe.

Sorry I meant pick 30 (Collingwood).

But if you are being a pedantic little girl then I can raise it to pick 27 (Brisbane) 26 or even 24 (Essendon) - same thing.

And to make it worse we'll probably draft Aaron Black with pick 11 just to rub it in. Thanks

 

[Collingwould]

I think the GF years (02/03) for the Pies are standout's, I'll look at 2003:

Pick 17: Billy Morrison - played 0 games
Pick 32: Brayden Shaw (f/s) - again, 0 games,
Pick 35: Brent Hall - 1 game
Pick 48: Heath Shaw (f/s) - 92 games
Pick 60: Julian Rowe - 26 games

I'll not make any personal opinions about these guys as it's not warranted, but just looking at how many games played from 4 of the 5 here and it's a bit grim. With the exception of Heath Shaw, all others were not only delisted but never considered by other clubs.

I believe we traded Nick Davis to Sydney for pick 32, he wanted to leave, so we actually got a pick for his departure, unlike Port/Saints! Pity we were in the draft doldrums at this point!

2002 was arguably worse, since the only player we have on our list (and not likely IMO of many games, is Anthony Corrie, originally drafted by Brisbane.

 

[dsomrox]

Originally Posted by Weaver

Worst trade ever?

That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your mulit-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.

Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

I reckon that would have the McMahon trade covered by a couple of laps of Flemington, then a trip down the highway for a run round Caulfield, before a backtrack to run the length of the Moone Valley straight.

 

[Slattery_20]

What did the Roos give up for McConnell (I think it was) from WCE? Something like 13 and 30 for a bloke hwo couldn't crack the WCE team and didn't make the Roos either.
I think the Weagles took McKinley and Hurn with the picks...

 

[Monkey King]

Sorry I meant pick 30 (Collingwood).

Umm... that offer was rejected

This is why he is now in the draft and most likely going to Essendon. Your original post made no sense at all; don't see why you can't just admit it.

But if you are being a pedantic little girl

Oh right... now I see why. This is just some teen-hormone fueled fantasy run coupled with requisite childish retort. Take it to Bay 13 junior; I came here for a bit of serious discussion.

 

[Monkey King]

Originally Posted by Weaver

Worst trade ever?

That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you.

Good one in theory, but I think that had a little more to do with administrators rather than recruiters

 

[bombermick]

Umm... that offer was rejected

This is why he is now in the draft and most likely going to Essendon. Your original post made no sense at all; don't see why you can't just admit it.



Oh right... now I see why. This is just some teen-hormone fueled fantasy run coupled with requisite childish retort. Take it to Bay 13 junior; I came here for a bit of serious discussion.

I think he was trying to say you could have Ball instead of McLean with pick 11. Melbourne will take you to the cleaners with that trade.

 

[Monkey King]

I think he was trying to say you could have Ball instead of McLean with pick 11. Melbourne will take you to the cleaners with that trade.

No... his point was that we could have gotten Ball for far cheaper, which is rubbish. I would actually prefer McLean over Ball with that pick myself, and I reckon most footy watchers would call it reasonably close even if swaying towards Ball.

I can't see how Melbourne are a ringer to take us to the cleaners either. Plenty of sub-10 picks don't make the grade and post 10 picks have an even worse strike rate. Considering also that the exclusion of 17yo from this draft means pick 11 is more around the 16-18 range of previous drafts.

McLean has shown how good he can be when his body is right and fills a much needed spot at a perfect age for our list. In Carlton's recent time trial he came in first and is currently having his first full pre-season for a couple of years now. I reckon he might have it a bit easier in our midfield than Melbourne's, so the chances are Carlton will walk away with a win on this trade. Of course this is footy, so anything can happen.

 

[LOZWILDA]

I think Mclean is not comparable to Ball. More like Tuck! slow in and under midfielder! They could of of got Tuck a hell of a lot cheaper and then used 11 on a need(Fevola replacement) Time will tell this story!! Ball should go to Melbourne with their 4th pick.
Bad trading year for the blues for mine!

 

[jezaroo]

Originally Posted by Weaver

Worst trade ever?

That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your mulit-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.

Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

I reckon that would have the McMahon trade covered by a couple of laps of Flemington, then a trip down the highway for a run round Caulfield, before a backtrack to run the length of the Moone Valley straight.

When you put it that way, I'd have to agree.....lol

 

[Wallaby]

Surely, for all the talk of Tambling over Franklin, the Bulldogs got it more wrong taking Griffin.

At the time, people were talking that the Bulldogs needed Key Forwards. Grant was going or gone. No young up-and-comers. Since then, they have made several prelims and been close to a couple of grand finals without quite getting there. And always the same problem - no key forwards. They tried Darcy as Key forward - they recruited Welsh - now, they've recruited Hall. They admit themselves their Key Forwards are the problem.

If they'd taken Franklin instead of just another anonymous mid-fielder, we might be now talking about the Doggies dynasty, having won a couple of flags.

It is the clearest case of the wrong draft pick possibly costing a flag.

 

[THRILLHO]

I think Mclean is not comparable to Ball. More like Tuck! slow in and under midfielder!

I dont get this criticism of Brock being slow? McLean won Carlton's Prince's Park time trial.

Sure, he looked pedestrian this year, but he was clearly injured and didnt have a full preseason. Let's see what he can do when he isnt burdened with injury before writing him off.