Someone who steps up and changes the game on his own is a star.
A leader is someone who gets EVERYONE to step up and change the game.
You need both, but it's not necessarily the same guy.
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A leader is someone who gets EVERYONE to step up and change the game.
You need both, but it's not necessarily the same guy.
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Rubbish, Strachan was uncompetive mid way thriugh the 2nd term, tonguing it big time.
ROB ain't great but he's way way better than Strachan at AFL level and for that matter SANFL.
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How's that Swans reserves ruck McAndrew shaping up?
Any chance for the MSD if we have a spot?
They're a direct comparison of statistical outputs, no irrelevance there, even with Strachan's low number of games. It shows that outside of winning ruck contests, ROB is no better than Strachan. The stark difference is in centre clearancewin differential, we get smoked when Strachan rucked. Not much difference in stoppage clearance though.
Not once the ruck contest has concluded, very little difference at all. You saw one image of Strachan heaving on the bench and applied that to his entire game. Off less TOG he gets as much of the ball as ROB, more marks and has a better disposal efficiency. These are facts and it's shameful that the brilliantly fit ROB can't eclipse Strachan in general play given Strachan is tonguing it big time half way through the second quarter. ROB should be very embarrassed, he must either have the smallest footy brain in the league or he's just lazy.
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Nah, you can pump up Strachan's tyres all you like he is just not AFL level endurance wise and it's clear he never will be given the number of years he's been with us.
ROB ain't great but he's competitive for all 4 quarters without much back up gameday.
ROB>>>>>>>>>>Strachan.
There's not much point in comparing ROB to Strachan, given that Strachan is not and likely never will be an AFL-standard ruck.
That would be the problem, because outside of hitouts, there's zero difference.
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Strachan kicked a goal
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If at this point anyone is still hoping Strachan is about to come good then you really need to stop sniffing glue this early into pre-season
Sample size of two.
But I agree with the overarching point which is that we have no good ruck on the list. They're just different shades of disappointing.
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I believe if we think he is good enough we are allowed to sign him to a list spot up until Feb 21st (To do so we would need to put Strachan on the LTI).
Not 100% on this. Vader will probably be able to confirm or correct my above statement.
Don't you mean 'at this point anyone still hoping ROB is about to come good then you really need to stop sniffing glue this early into pre-season'. Strachan after 7 games, 2 last year, has near identical stats to O'Brien, outside of hitouts. So once the ruck contest is done, RIB basically becomes Strachan. That's a fair indictment given his experience and reduction against his previous year's higher levels of output.
The sample size for Strachan is irrelevant as he's the back up ruck. It's 7 really, because his career games match last years' anyway. It's pretty embarrassing for a supposed first ruck to be matched in every area bar hitouts by a 30 year old with 7 career games that is flat out not up to it and physically spent less than half way through a game. If ROB took the centre bounce and they swapped, basically nothing would change, not their individual outputs and not our clearance differential, despite many less hitouts won.
I was genuinely surprised that ROB's impact was so minimal compared to what Stracdished up.
For a complete picture, you'd have to also consider the effectiveness of the opposition ruck while Strachan played, compared to their effectiveness with ROB played.
Didn't we find the opposition ruck killed us when Strachan played?
Anyway, I guess the point people are making is ROB isn't great. I think most of us can get behind that statement.
Didn't we find the opposition ruck killed us when Strachan played?
Anyway, I guess the point people are making is ROB isn't great. I think most of us can get behind that statement.
Comparing the 2024 & 2016 AFL Rules documents (attached), the Long Term Injury List has now been replaced by the Inactive List. The rules governing these lists are defined in Section 26 of the respective documents. The 2024 AFL Rules document no longer makes any reference to the LTI list.
The rules for placing a player on the Inactive List are different from those for the Long Term Injury List. The wording for the LTI List talks about players suffering a "Long Term Injury", and being placed on the LTI List for a minimum of 8 weeks. The wording for the Inactive List talks about players retiring or suffering a season ending injury.
Players placed on the LTI list could be replaced by the temporary promotion of a Rookie Listed player to the Senior List, allowing them to be selected for AFL matches. Players placed on the Inactive List can be replaced by selecting players via the PSSP or MSD.
It appears that we would be unable to select a replacement for Strachan, via the PSSP, unless his injury is deemed to be season ending. His injury is definitely "long term", but I haven't seen any communication from the club indicating that it is "season ending".
As for signing a replacement player in the PSSP... I'd need to check the end date for that window. 21st Feb sounds plausible, I just can't confirm it either way at this time.
As for drafting a replacement in the MSD... that's still several months away. Statistically, we're likely to have at least one season ending injury between now and then. It's unfortunate - but it's true. We can worry about that closer to the date (i.e. around June/July).
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Have you run that comparison by all AFL rucks, and by that not just a select few?
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You are very defensive when it comes to ROB, this despite being dropped 2 out of 3 years and failing to make our top 10 in the B&F for 3 years.
In terms of being dropped you know given the lack of options this wouldn’t be happening unless he’s had a run of poor form.
So why is exactly you feel the need to defend him when the coaches dont rate him which supports the opinion most on here share? Did you watch him as a junior once?
For what it's worth, the AFL Rules document only replaced the Long Term Injury list with the Inactive List in 2024. The 2023 version of the AFL Rules document still referred to the LTI List. The AFL have been VERY slow in updating this document. We know that the Inactive List has been in place since at least 2021, as Bryce Gibbs was placed on the IA list (and replaced by Nick Murray) when he retired.
Thank you for the explanation Vader, particularity regarding how the LTI list has be superseded by the Inactive list. AFC979810 is correct. Friday, February 21, 2025 is the cut off date for the PSSP.
We've got a guy who has been on our list for 6 years and still doesn't have AFL level fitness... I can't figure out if it's worse that Strachan hasn't got to the necessary level of fitness in that time, or that we've still got him on the list despite that fact that he has neither the talent or fitness to be an AFL level ruckman. Does he actually have anything at all going for him other than the fact that he's tall?
I'm just glad the AFL finally got around to updating their publicly available documentation covering the LTI & IA lists. The first we knew about the Inactive List was when the club placed Gibbs on it in 2021, selecting Nick Murray as his replacement. Back then there was no publicly available information about the Inactive List - a situation which remained until the AFL Rules 2024 document was released (3 years later).
Even the 2023 AFL Rules document still defined the LTI List, but not the Inactive List, despite the Inactive List having superseded the LTI list at least 3 years earlier.
He's actually got neat enough skills for a big guy, but his lack of athleticism really kills him. Its why he kills it at SANFL level.
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Seems like a genuinely nice guy, very team oriented and dominant at the next level down but just not competitive enough at AFL level, endurance is his kryptonite unfortunately. Only way he could work would be if a club was to go with 2 rucks gameday but that's just not happening at the Crows and at his age it would seem he's done as an AFL back up option. No doubt he'll find a home at SANFL level and continue to domiinate at that level for several more years against in the main undersized ruckmen with limited ability..
