weaglesman
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That is a fairly substantial outlay for clubs. What does that $25000 outlay include?
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miksmif
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Honestly I wouldn't Have a clue, your guess is as good as mine
The Whisper05
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Three teams in BDAFL is $12,000 (6K for 1s)
Sydney Premier division is about $32,000 from the information I have been given recently.
The Whisper05
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The problem with the league is that the older players are to set in their ways and are happy bobbing along in football and life and the better younger players are leaving the region. Whilst people in the region down there won't take risks the standard will continue to drop because you will be unable to attract better outside players
Agree pekay, last year was not one of their better years. Gossy has never made the bdafl finals but were not far off a few years ago, some of their better players are playing premier div now in sydney,so if they get a full squad togethere, maybe a few of their better players back in the fold they will be up there!
I would like bdafl to try divisionalisation first (2013 I think) but if not the Coast teams could very well try their luck in Sydney.
The Newcastle teams are stronger with more depth but would have to travel further and also they have more clubs/teams than the coast and more poss teams to join/potential.
Therefore they would maybe just go back to being a Newcastle comp
I like your thinking tho
So, hypothetical, if all coast teams went south, what would that leave in the Newcastle comp?
Cardiff
New City
Singleton
Nelson Bay
Warners Bay?
Lake Mac?
My geography is a bit skewiff, forgive me if there are others.
blackmagic33
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I'd say for starters the wage of the GM. Other stuff such as
:game balls
:subsidising the cost of the footy record
:subisidising cost of the shitty season launch and the Medal night
aying for the shitty grand final breakfast
:admin expenses- stationary etc etc
aying for the shitty rep weekend
:meeting expenses for the shitty board meetings
They just need to provide a well run league and have a medal night, a descent footy record and maybe a rep game for the young blokes, not the old has beens like me. No-ones got time to go to all this other crap except for the board members. Most blokes just work and want to play a little footy on their weekend.
:game balls
:subsidising the cost of the footy record
:subisidising cost of the shitty season launch and the Medal night
aying for the shitty grand final breakfast:admin expenses- stationary etc etc
aying for the shitty rep weekend:meeting expenses for the shitty board meetings
They just need to provide a well run league and have a medal night, a descent footy record and maybe a rep game for the young blokes, not the old has beens like me. No-ones got time to go to all this other crap except for the board members. Most blokes just work and want to play a little footy on their weekend.
Practice22
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If you were to write down what the problems are in the league and how to fix them, in priority order, what would you write?
For mine it needs very good management, incentives, discipline and some achievable goals.
Going on year to year as is, is a recipe for disaster. I agree with Noodles, divisionalisation cant get here quick enough BUT, someone will always have to come last!
For mine it needs very good management, incentives, discipline and some achievable goals.
Going on year to year as is, is a recipe for disaster. I agree with Noodles, divisionalisation cant get here quick enough BUT, someone will always have to come last!
Dont think so.
A PD club with a reserves and U18 PD team would be charged as per below - does not incl finals umpiring costs thought, also doesnt allow for no show of umpires which does happen so should even up.
Affliation fees all three teams $4860
Insurance fees all three teams $2535
Medal Night (compulsory 2 tables) $1980
Umpiring Costs $18828 (three central umps in PD and two centrals for other grades as well as 2 boundry and 2 goal accross all grades)
Correct! All six of these clubs will field a seniors,reserves and 18's team next year, although the strength does vary between them for example
City,Cardiff and Warners are quite strong in 1's and 2's while the others are building still.
Nearly all of these have a junior club(not there own) feeding into them not to mention the possible inclusion of Maitland and Muswellbrook who both field junior teams,are located geographly friendly so as to not affect another senior club, and will poss join the comp as well!!
The coast has Terr and KV who compete well most years and Wyong who are 'building',and the now departed Gossy, so it almost fits in well if the clubs did go this way
I'd say for starters the wage of the GM. Other stuff such as
:game balls
:subsidising the cost of the footy record
:subisidising cost of the shitty season launch and the Medal night
:admin expenses- stationary etc etc
:meeting expenses for the shitty board meetings
They just need to provide a well run league and have a medal night, a descent footy record and maybe a rep game for the young blokes, not the old has beens like me. No-ones got time to go to all this other crap except for the board members. Most blokes just work and want to play a little footy on their weekend.
Don't think yr a has-been,but agree with your thinking that they should get sh*t in order and with reps concentrate on the junior/18's ages,agree most blokes just want to have a kick with mates,unfortunately I think no one wants to run the league either too much time/too much crap and in gm case not enough money!!
2013!! altho I wont hold my breath,maybe a few clubs leaving might get them moving on divisionalisation.
There willalways be someone coming last but at least you have a fighting chance of having 1 of your grades taste success and you can build on that!
Sydney has grown immensly since they went this way and It will only get bigger!
Obviously the more teams you nominate and the higher grades that they play the more it will cost, my question to ppl out there is who thinks that their club would be walking into PD anyway??
No offence to our current clubs or our league but we as a 'region' were asked if we would nominate for PD, we would still be no shoe in for success,it has to be worked on,I doubt even City or Cardiff would be in the top flight.
Cardiff would be our top 18's team of the last decade and I think they would still struggle in 18's PD, and City out top seniors team would be poss 1st div but prob 2nd div (at least to start with) with there 2nd team somewhere down the divs.
Practice22
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Aha Noodles, so true but the trouble with only one open age grade succeeding in a club is that all the resources and players become absolutely and probably unwittingly focused towards that grade and the other, regardless of it being first or second, becomes neglected. It has happened so many times before. So divisionalisation is not all that easy, it will taken sensible planning and a good allocation of support personnel.
In the end though is should succeed but clubs have to be smart about it.
It will also allow clubs with an abundance of players to possibly enter an additional open age team, particularly if the league were to reduce the numbers of the lowest grade. Also, it will open the door for new clubs to enter the competition through these grades.
The league is probably at testing period. It has occasioned success and the other end of the pendulum awaits it and this will happen unless good strong management prevails.
In the end though is should succeed but clubs have to be smart about it.
It will also allow clubs with an abundance of players to possibly enter an additional open age team, particularly if the league were to reduce the numbers of the lowest grade. Also, it will open the door for new clubs to enter the competition through these grades.
The league is probably at testing period. It has occasioned success and the other end of the pendulum awaits it and this will happen unless good strong management prevails.
miksmif
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As mUch as Id love to see the divisions work I dont think it will..we have a bare minimum of clubs as it is with 2 grades...the reason it worked in Syd was cause there were 2 separate comps(sfl/sfa) and a sh*t load of clubs/teams...
But I guess it's time the comp tries something
Practice, I agree that it can cause a situation where the club/players pool all their talent/resources into the 1 more successful team,but if done correctly it should also promote the players themselves to take more ownership of their team (soccer is a good example with 12 grades) it is impossible without the players becoming more involved.
My point exactely (clubs with more players can put in additional teams,and new clubs have a chance (unlike now where they get smashed against seasoned 2's teams from the strong clubs. This elimninates any concern about player/club/team numbers not being high enough Because it will help with clubs adding extra teams!!!
I think we would have no trouble at all having 3 grades with enough teams and players (just look at the clubs we have lost over the years,'some' may have still fallen over but I think most would have stayed even if just the one senior team)
A good eg of this is Woy Woy, never had the best numbers and Im not sure who was running the show, BUT they were not ready to step up after not making finals in reserve grade-still the league wanted them to have a 1's,2's and 18's team the next year! of course they folded!!! the best part of Sydney is that you are not pushed when not ready
I think we would have no trouble at all having 3 grades with enough teams and players (just look at the clubs we have lost over the years,'some' may have still fallen over but I think most would have stayed even if just the one senior team)
A good eg of this is Woy Woy, never had the best numbers and Im not sure who was running the show, BUT they were not ready to step up after not making finals in reserve grade-still the league wanted them to have a 1's,2's and 18's team the next year! of course they folded!!! the best part of Sydney is that you are not pushed when not ready
miksmif, I think most with their heads screwed on would love to see it work,I understand our numbers arent great right now and that Sydney had 2 comps and a shitload of clubs/teams BUT we are where we are because they wont bite the bullet and make a decision, any decision, what is the worst that can happen? it wont work...correct if not try something else or go back to the great system we have now!! lol
I hope they try something soon, cos its a bit sad when we could all put up a ladder for both grades (18's diff only due to ages moving on) right now and be on the money!!
Why not look at more creative ways of fixing the issues.
Take College Basketball for example. Early in the season teams are involved in all sorts of tournaments, these tournaments count to their national ranking but also provide competitive interest.
I think the league should start with regional tournaments although a little hard given the current spread. Could have Central Coast Cup/Hunter Cup. Round One winners play each other in Rd.2 etc. Would mean fixtures aren't set until games play out but would be a good wrinkle to the competition. Obviously KV would like win CC and Cardiff/Newcastle likely in Newy but teams are always an upset away from winning it.
Take College Basketball for example. Early in the season teams are involved in all sorts of tournaments, these tournaments count to their national ranking but also provide competitive interest.
I think the league should start with regional tournaments although a little hard given the current spread. Could have Central Coast Cup/Hunter Cup. Round One winners play each other in Rd.2 etc. Would mean fixtures aren't set until games play out but would be a good wrinkle to the competition. Obviously KV would like win CC and Cardiff/Newcastle likely in Newy but teams are always an upset away from winning it.
Practice22
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Cant agree with Cardiff winning the Newcastle leg. I think Warners Bay would be very much favoured.
You are right about thinking outside the square. For too long people 'drift along following what was done last year' and you know what, some get sick of it.
There is a lot to be said for changing simple things to make it all more interesting. It doesn't matter that no-one else in Australia has done it, be adventurous. If it stuffs up don't do it again. Trouble is, the losers get to hate it. Those with vision win all the time.
What about this:
In round 3 (for example) all goals kicked outside the 50m arc are rewarded with 9 points.
In round 7 teams can play 26. Eighteen on the field and eight interchange.
In round 11 trial four central umpires. If you dont have them get the umpires Assn to provide two and each club provide one.
In round 14 clubs must supply females for boundary and goal umpires in all grades.
In round 17, first grade can only consist of players aged 25 and under.
Its stuff like this that stimulate the competition. The league might be geographically out on a limb (with people putting them down and shit canning the standard) but they can create and maintain interest by introducing unique ideas where everyone has to try a little harder and everyone gets a buzz out of it.
To get more ideas canvass the clubs. The important thing though is not to introduce too many because it loses its effect.
Why not try it?
You are right about thinking outside the square. For too long people 'drift along following what was done last year' and you know what, some get sick of it.
There is a lot to be said for changing simple things to make it all more interesting. It doesn't matter that no-one else in Australia has done it, be adventurous. If it stuffs up don't do it again. Trouble is, the losers get to hate it. Those with vision win all the time.
What about this:
In round 3 (for example) all goals kicked outside the 50m arc are rewarded with 9 points.
In round 7 teams can play 26. Eighteen on the field and eight interchange.
In round 11 trial four central umpires. If you dont have them get the umpires Assn to provide two and each club provide one.
In round 14 clubs must supply females for boundary and goal umpires in all grades.
In round 17, first grade can only consist of players aged 25 and under.
Its stuff like this that stimulate the competition. The league might be geographically out on a limb (with people putting them down and shit canning the standard) but they can create and maintain interest by introducing unique ideas where everyone has to try a little harder and everyone gets a buzz out of it.
To get more ideas canvass the clubs. The important thing though is not to introduce too many because it loses its effect.
Why not try it?
savage hotdog
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Cant agree with Cardiff winning the Newcastle leg. I think Warners Bay would be very much favoured.
You are right about thinking outside the square. For too long people 'drift along following what was done last year' and you know what, some get sick of it.
There is a lot to be said for changing simple things to make it all more interesting. It doesn't matter that no-one else in Australia has done it, be adventurous. If it stuffs up don't do it again. Trouble is, the losers get to hate it. Those with vision win all the time.
What about this:
In round 3 (for example) all goals kicked outside the 50m arc are rewarded with 9 points.
In round 7 teams can play 26. Eighteen on the field and eight interchange.
In round 11 trial four central umpires. If you dont have them get the umpires Assn to provide two and each club provide one.
In round 14 clubs must supply females for boundary and goal umpires in all grades.
In round 17, first grade can only consist of players aged 25 and under.
Its stuff like this that stimulate the competition. The league might be geographically out on a limb (with people putting them down and shit canning the standard) but they can create and maintain interest by introducing unique ideas where everyone has to try a little harder and everyone gets a buzz out of it.
To get more ideas canvass the clubs. The important thing though is not to introduce too many because it loses its effect.
Why not try it?
Well if you've got all these bright ideas why dont you join the board you dimwit. How do any of those points stimulate the competition???? you sir, are a dimwit. Also the rest of you Internet Warriors, Noodles etc. JOIN THE BOARD!!!!
Warners bay cant be favoured in anything........... Least of beating City and Cardiff.
keyboard_warrior
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WOFTAMWarrior
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With all the great ideas posted there should be a great board for the league. Everyone talks about the City/Cardiff domination. Its because they are the two best teams in the league, two best off field, two best for breeding talent. Maybe some people should lift their game and get on the board to lift the standard of the comp then their team will attract talent.
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